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OT: Why Johnny Can't Come Home

Started by Brother Ragnarok, February 13, 2004, 03:47:09 AM

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Brother Ragnarok

My girlfriend just told me about this book she's reading called Why Johnny Can't Come Home.  I intend to read it first chance I get (there's a long line ahead of it), but the jist is this:  Back in 1982, a kid named Johnny Gosh was kidnapped.  The mother eventually learned that he was kidnapped into a child slavery/prostitution ring.  The father, the local cops, the local paper, were all in on it.  Very rich/important higher-up types are all involved in this creepy s**t, and part of  the FBI has a hand in running it.  The woman went undercover (before she went public with all this and was a known face) to a few of the exchange sessions and saw a lot of well-known faces, even some political people including George Bush Sr., there.  Apparently there are pictures of this stuff in the book, which makes the evidence a little harder to refute.
While some of the specific facts sound a little kooky, I must say I have little enough faith in my fellow man to believe such things exist.
What do you guys think?  Whack-ass conspiracy theory, or supremely sick f**king underground horror show that needs a good old fashioned Charles Bronson-style ass kicking?

Brother R

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Evil Matt

It's probably a little bit of both.  Just because you've got pictures of the President shaking hands with a pedophile doesn't mean that he KNOWS that guy is a pedophile.  So unless there's like, pictures of Nixon buggering choirboys in the cockpit of a UFO, I'm going to shake my head and say "Uh......HUH...."

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Ash

I remember Johnny Gosh!

He was from here in Iowa....Des Moines to be exact.
I remember hearing about his disappearance on TV when I was a kid.

As for my opinion on that book....until I read it....I say "Whack-ass conspiracy theory."


Mr_Vindictive

Brother R,

Sounds like an interesting read.  I'll definently pick it up just to see Bush Sr involved.  He did always kinda creep me out.

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Sounds like a whack-job consipiracy theory to me.  Conspiracies like that might make good movies, but how the HECK can something like that exist without SOMEONE involved getting a conscious and going public?  Or getting caught? Or bragging to the wrong person?

As for photographs, well, in the day and age of Photoshop, I think the credibility of photographic evidence is going to get harder and harder to prove.  I took an FBI class once on Photographic Forensics, if you will, and one thing we learned was (the very very basics of) how to tell if a photo had been digitally altered.  Depending on the skill of the alterer (and sophistication of the software) it can be very hard indeed.

The guys that taught the class spend a good deal of their time studying child porn photos to determine if they are authentic, or just a child's face pasted into an adult scene.  To convict for child porn, it must be proven that the photo actually represents child pornography.  It ain't enough to just say "here's this photo that looks like child porn."

There's way too much rumor-mongering in our society, imo.  Just cuz some lady wrote a book, or even presented 'evidence,' does not make it true.  I hope it's not true (I like to see the good in people, though I am not so naive to think that evil does not exist).  I'd think if this book had a shred of authenticity, it'd be plastered all over the news, the best seller lists, etc.

--My $0.02 worth.

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raj

There is an actually photograph of Rosalyn Carter meeting with John Wayne Gacy, which doesn't mean that she & Jimmy were part of a cult of murder, only that Gacy was very good at hiding what he did.

Plus, it is utterly impossible to disprove a conspiracy.  Denials and lack of evidence just prove how good the conspiracy is at hiding itself.  Look at how many different, competing conspiracies there are on the JFK assassination.  Dislike of someone doesn't mean they are sinister.

For some really good (and some not so good) fakes, check out The Fake Detective:
http://www.fake-detective.com/
(there is nudity, for those at work.)

Eirik

As with UFOs, the cure for the common cold, and the Loch Ness Monster, I'll believe it when Peter Jennings tells me about it and the Washington Post runs it above the fold.  George Bush in an underground pedophile ring?  Sounds like some left wing wishful thinking.

In a more mainstream version, I see Republican operatives are coming out with the Kerry-had-an-affair garbage while Dems try to will some kind of Bush National Guard AWOL scandal into existance.  So the GOP is trying to relive the Clinton years while the Dems take their lead from Michael Moore.  I have a strong feeling that by May I'm going to be pretty much sick of watching the news.

Eirik

For the record, I DO believe that something LIKE this can exist.  I just don't buy the George Bush part, or the FBI part.  There are some twisted people out there and it seems that a lot of them are pretty good at not getting caught, unfortunately.

jmc

I'm  suspicious of the whole "child abuse conspiarcy" thing in general.  Too many of those Eighties abuse cases were later proved to be bogus for me to be anything but skeptical.   A lot of innocent people had their lives ruined because of overzealous psychiatrists coaching impressionable little kids.  

Anyone ever read that book KOOKS by Donna Kossy?  There are some really good conspiracy theories in there--the APOCALYPSE CULTURE books are good reads too.

Bmeansgood

Dude,

I live in Des Moines.  I may never leave the house again.  

I remember when Johnny was kidnapped, because at the time my brother had a paper route.  For about a month my parents did the route with him.  There was another paper boy kidnapped a few weeks later, I think his name was Eugene or something.

BTW,  according to my supersecret sources Johnny's real life mother works in Des Moines as a perfume/cosmetics lady at Valley West mall.  Maybe I should do some undercover work and act like I am shopping for Valentine's perfume and investigate the ring.  

I guess I shouldn't make fun of a horrible tragedy, but give me a break.

Lee

I'm gonna have to go with whacked-ass conspiracey theory. It just sounds pretty sketchy and also sounds like a plot line for some movie.

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