Moonwalker

[Ash]

plan9superfan Wrote:
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Funny that no one talked about the movie
"Moonwalker" thus far...

I've never seen it.
Hell, I don't even know what it's about.

[dean]

ASHTHECAT Wrote:
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> plan9superfan Wrote:
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> Funny that no one talked about the movie
> "Moonwalker" thus far...
>
> I've never seen it.
> Hell, I don't even know what it's about.

I second that motion.  I haven't seen it nor even know about it in any way.  If you didn't mention it was based on Michael Jackson's work, I would have just assumed it was an Apollo 13 type rip off.

But like mentioned in another post: we do kind of drift off topic quite often, but that's usually when there's something interesting to talk about, or we're just being a bunch of silly asses, either way really...

[LH-C]

Good topic to bring up.

There are some artists whom I disagree with on some issues, but who I still admire a great deal both as people and as artists. Like Viggo Mortensen.

There are some where I still enjoy their work, but have heard horror stories about their unprofessional behavior. Like Faye Dunaway.

There are people who have been mired in scandal, but I still admire their work. Like Roman Polanski.

There are people who I think are involved in things I disagree with completely, but I still like them a lot. Like Danny Masterson (who's been involved with Scientology since he was a young kid).

Then there are those who just p**s me off so much that I like to pretend that they don't exist.

[Scottie]

Going with the 'mistakes famous people make in ther past' topic:

What about those charges that are still pending against Roman Polanski about the supposed sexual misconduct with a minor when compared to the astounding movies he has made? LH-C's point is very valid.

I personally don't give a crap about an artist's personal life. I bet in a million years when they're all dead and gone (and so are we who made a big deal out of it in the first place) and all that's left are the headlines and the art, every one will see the artist for the work they have created, not the petty scandal we blew out of proportion. Michael Jackson was a terrific entertainer and musician and I still love to listen to Thriller, Beat It, Billie Jean, and all of his other work. As for his face or condition, or whatever... big deal. Let him do what he wants to do. So he wants to climb trees and hold an umbrella during the day? Big deal. How does it affect me unless I actively chose to involve myself in their personal life, which will never cross mine, so why should I care.

Remember what Andy Warhol said about celebrities "We live in the cult of celebrities." But also think of it this way: "celebrities are like imperial stormtroopers - no matter how fast you kill 'em off, there's always a clone to take their place." So why should I care about what one person has done with their personal life if someone's already done it dozens of minutes ago. What, except for their art, can they offer to the world in exchange for the media spotlight? Very little. So I'll pay attention to their art and respect them for their creativity in a tangible medium, but no one's going to remember that thing they did that one time a billion years from now. But remember "The Persistence of Memory?" Remember "Annie Hall" and "Manhattan." Remember Richard Pryor's comedy. Remember "The Raven." Remember "Live At Folsom Prison, Vertigo, Pee Wee's Playhouse, Campbell's Soup Cans." Remember the art.

But I also understand that there are intelligent and well-spoken celebrities whose opinions are not based on sensationalism, but rather on a good idea. But look and listen for them. Pick up a book. They're probably not on tv right now.
 

[Menard]

ulthar Wrote:
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> And there is always the Dixie Chicks.  Does one
> moment of ill-judgement really nullify the quality
> of their PAST work?


That is quite a contrast in comparison; comparing someone, Michael Jackson, who has certainly led many to believe that accusations against him are not just accusations by the very nature of his eccentric behavior and poor judgement, to the Dixie Chicks, who exercised an activity previously known in this country as free speech, but were crucified by their own industry for speaking their minds.

Of course, the comparison does does also bring up an interesting observation.

The Dixie Chicks had one moment of speaking their minds (which arguably would have been better received today than when it was said) and have been ostracized because of it. Michael Jackson has shown, whether he has been found guilty or not, a propensity of certain untoward behavior with regard to minors, and still, albeit he has suffered in popularity and income, is very much a celebrity.

Myself, I still like hearing hits from Michael Jackson's Thriller days, and Dirty Diana is one of my favorites of his hits. He was a hitmaker in the 80's and paved the way that set the pop music industry, and especially the music video industry, on fire. The Michael Jackson of today is quite a different icon than what he was in the 80's and I wouldn't want to buy one of his albums now; although I might buy a greatest hits CD. (:

Interesting point you bring up Ulthar.

[odinn7]

Menard Wrote:
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> He was a hitmaker in the
> 80's and paved the way that set the pop music
> industry, and especially the music video industry,
> on fire.

Yes...and he set his hair on fire for Pepsi too! Oh, the good old days...

[Andrew]

Ah, Michael Jackson trying to save the children from the same evil empire that seemed to control the world in "Solarbabies."  I think this movie is great for one reason:  when they are trapped and he transforms into a giant laser and particle cannon shooting robot.  Almost as surprising as Thor! turning out to be an archangel in "Rock 'N' Roll Nightmare."

[Fearless Freep]

Andrew, dude...Michael Jackson as a robbot and "Rock 'n' Roll NIghtmare", thanks for giving me two seperate flashbacks to things I'd rather not remember...

[plan9superfan]

1-Haven't seen Solarbabies, but if Joe Pesci's Mr. Big is the bad guy, I sure will!

2-Yeah, that surprised me too when I first saw it. Now I'm used to it, but it's still one of my favorite parts.

You see, Michael Jackson has superpowers. One of them is tuning into a giant robot. Another is turning into a supersonic car. Another is the power to turn into claymation version of celebrities, and have a rabbit suit come alive.

And another one is the power to do the unthinkable: kill ghosts. Because those guys at Club '30s HAD to be ghosts.

[BoyScoutKevin]

I have read that the "Icon of the '80's" is going back into the recording studio to do a new cd. It must be because, after everything that has happened, he needs the money. Still, I wonder, after everything that has happened, how well it will sell.

[LH-C]

Joe Pesci was in 'Solar Babies'?!?

[ulthar]

LH-C Wrote:
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> Joe Pesci was in 'Solar Babies'?!?
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Not according to IMDB: Here and here.

But, we all know IMDB is not perfect.  ;)