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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2006, 06:39:02 PM »

Actually George did have plans to convert the original trilogy to 3D for the 30th Anniversary. I haven't heard much about this lately, but I know they made a statement about it sometime in the last couple of years.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2006, 06:51:26 PM »

And that is why they call it a FREE market.

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2006, 07:27:49 PM »

I wonder how come nobody notices that every time a band plays their song they are doing the same thing?  "That" was the version that we recored ten years ago, *this* is he version we play today; we've grown. we've changed, our tastes and opinions are different, and the technology has improved so  that we can do soemthing different then we did before to get us closer to what we really want that song to be about *now*.
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« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2006, 09:10:27 PM »

But sometimes the revamping of a song does not work, either.  I cannot think of a specific example at the moment, but I know I've heard it happen.  You just say "what did they do that for?"

Plus, there's a lot to be said for the 'comfort zone.'  People are basically creatures of habit.  You see a movie a certain way the first time, that becomes the 'right' way.

I doubt that if Greedo had shot first in the original that people would be going around saying "man, that would have been a better movie if Han had shot first."
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2006, 09:40:15 PM »

I don't care what his justifaction was, NOBODY could have missed that badly at that range.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2006, 04:56:26 AM »

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> I wonder how come nobody notices that every time a
> band plays their song they are doing the same
> thing?

I guess the difference would be that the band is playing a live song or making a new recording in this case. I'd say its more analagous to filming a remake or continually staging a live play.

If, on the other hand, a band or a producer were to alter a classic album of 20 or 30 years ago, remixing the songs and adding in new bits, then releasing it as the same album, I think there would be an outcry from fans.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2006, 06:27:30 AM »

"Many fans will end up buying it twice"

I probably will, and I'm not even a true fan.  I'm just a sucker.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2006, 07:03:52 AM »

I may actually try to get them now. I have the originals on VHS, but DVD is much better and I would have both versions.

I'm only going to say what I always say about Lucas modifying his own movies, it's his choice to do so. They are his property and if he can make a buck recycling his old stuff to fund his other projects I say more power to him.

I do believe he should stick to producing, he's a lousy at directing actors.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2006, 08:53:29 AM »



If, on the other hand, a band or a producer were to alter a classic album of 20 or 30 years ago, remixing the songs and adding in new bits, then releasing it as the same album, I think there would be an outcry from fans.


Yes, they do.   A lot of CDs are "Digitally Remastered" from the original recording tapes from 20,30 or more years ago.    Part of the process is to clean up, re-eq, enhance, compress, etc...what is part of the original.  They are then released as the same 'album' as the original vinyl, even though they may sound markedly different.  Also, check out what Paul McCartney did by re-releasing old Beatles music *without* a lot of Phil Spector's instrumentation and production.   Many or most "Live" CDs have studio recorded overdubs of vocals, etc...so what you buy as the "live" CD is not what was played "live".  A given song in the hands of the artist is a constantly evolving thing, as tastes change the artists interpretation of their own music and technology makes it possible

Like it or not, buy it or not *shrug* but don't whine just because George Lucas has made it technologically possibly for filmmakers to do the same thing that other artists can, and do, do all the time.  I think the only reason you don't see more filmakers do this is because with the current system, very few single filmakers so completely own their own material as he does because he works outside the system, but also has the technical and financial resources to make it happen.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2006, 03:26:58 PM »

Whenever I comment on George (or Gene Simmons of "Kiss"), this pro-capitalist counter attack usually follows... and honestly, no offense to you personally, but I think it's a really dumb response. You're obviously not understanding (or ignoring) why I find George so repulsive.

I have no problem with capitalism. I fully support George's (and everyones) right to market whatever commodity they have at their disposal. And, believing in personal responsibility, I can't possibly feel sorry for anyone who racks up a billion dollars in debt to buy said commodities.

However, I find it shameful and pathetic when George, who tries to pass himself off as a grand artist, openly flaunts how little he cares about "art" and how much he cares about the almighty dollar. At any point will he have enough cash? Will he ever start making movies for the purposes of personal expression and storytelling alone?

On the same topic, did you hear the latest news about the new George-Trooper figure? "Hasbro is honoring Lucas" the articles say "by immortalizing him in action figure form"- but I'm supposed to believe that George had nothing to do with this personally? He probably suggested it himself. But if not, doesn't he still have to okay every action figure produced? Doesn't the "Star Wars" universe currently extend to some 500+ figures already? And if that wasn't enough, in order to purchase this "honorable" figure, you have to send in a handful of those proof-of-purchase pieces from other action figure packages. This is the kind of stuff I find disgusting... but you're right, this is capitalism, and George has the right to make an ass of himself.
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2006, 07:48:14 PM »


I have no problem with capitalism. I fully support George's (and everyones) right to market whatever commodity they have at their disposal. And, believing in personal responsibility, I can't possibly feel sorry for anyone who racks up a billion dollars in debt to buy said commodities.



I'm not a capatlist,  I'm a musican, and I respect any creators right to do whatever they want with what they've created and if people don't like the result that is created then that's fine, but I think it's foolish to protest their creative rights to have done so
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2006, 01:29:54 PM »

Just because somebody can alter their work doesn't mean they should.

I wouldn't mind his alterings so much if he had just released the orginal versions or made it so that you can switch back and forth between version with just a push of a button.

Instead he ignored people that wanted the OT and said that the film so many people grew up with and loved was "incomplete" despite the fact that those special effects helped revolutionize (ms) and set a new standard for special effects.

Now there is a case where I don't mind the creator tampering with his work. There is this comic I like a lot called "Bio Booster Armor Guyver" Now the main character has a weapon called the "Guyver", (if you've seen the movies then you'll know what I mean" a few issues later a villian challenges the main character with his own Guyver unit. Now when first drawn Guyver II looked a lot like Guyver I, very little difference really. A few years later they did the second anime, Guyver II was revamped and had his own look, then Takaya (the creator) went back and re-drew Guyver II's scenes with this new look. I much prefer the newer GII look however I'm glad I was able to get the Viz release version which contained the orginal GII look.

My point is, sometimes it's cool to revamp, sometimes it's not, and sometimes it just doesn't matter if you do revamp as long as you can preserve the original look.
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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2006, 02:33:48 PM »

I think we can respect that Lucas has every right to do what he wants, and still disagree with it.

I don't mind some of the tweaking he's done. It's the idea of making drastic changes (not just a little cleaning up or recutting), witholding the original movie, and then saying "There, now this is Star Wars." That seems like rewriting history to me. I just think he needs more respect for the significance of his own work. What the fans object to, I think, is the seeming arrogance of tampering with something that is such a big part of film history, not to mention their own fond memories. He might own it, but it's become bigger than him, which is true success for any artist -- nothing to complain about. He's created something great, and it's time to let go and move on.

Of course, I never had any doubt that the original movies would be made available when there was a likelihood of selling people two sets of DVDs. I figured that was the trick all along. Convince people they have to settle for the new versions, then when they've paid their money, offer to sell them what they really want. Lessons learned from doing it in the opposite order with the VHS releases in the 90s.
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