Bad Movie Logo
"A website to the detriment of good film"
Custom Search
HOMEB-MOVIE REVIEWSREADER REVIEWSFORUMINTERVIEWSUPDATESABOUT
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 23, 2014, 03:33:32 AM
522851 Posts in 39397 Topics by 4876 Members
Latest Member: Dalek1
Badmovies.org Forum  |  Information Exchange  |  Reader Comments  |  Billy Jack « previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6 7 8
Author Topic: Billy Jack  (Read 67842 times)
Me
Guest
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

I used to be a fan of these movies. I saw the Trial of BJ while in my senior year of high school and included pieces of it in a psychology project. During this time of my life, I was learning about the school shootings and some of the war horrors from Vietnam. These movies helped bring interest to some issues.

What do I think now? Well, I am not so sure as I haven't watched the movies in a long time. They most likely wouldn't mean now what they did as a teen years ago.

No one has mentioned the "Master Gunfighter", another film of Tom's that didn't make it. I believe it was made after the Trial film. Years later I recall seeing it on television and wasn't impressed.

A few years back I'd heard during a show with Tom Snyder that Tom was working on another film & I guess that failed to come to pass. Now we hear of yet another Billy Jack movie which I guess will also fail to come to pass.

I took a brief look at his web site. Hmmm. When I saw him selling autographed pictures between starting at $50, I was greatly taken aback. Years ago when he was at his peak in popularity I got one for free.
Logged
Steve
Guest
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM »

I can't help thinking that Tom Laughlin wrote the role that Chuck Norris should have had.  Chuck would have been perfect as Billy Jack: he could have carried out the fight scene in the park (the one redeeming quality of this film) flawlessly without resorting to a Korean stunt double.  He's a much better actor than Laughlin (although neither one will be bringing home an Academy Award in the near future).  He's even legitimately part Indian!  So why not make a remake of Billy Jack, with our man Chuck in the lead (and hopefully a less hokey script)???
Logged
Jacknotbilly
Guest
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

We need to remember the BILLY JACK was a product of its time. "Indian" was not a perjorative, but merely a word. "Everyone" was a singular that required the use of "he", not "they." Yes, Virginia, there was air conditioning in the 70's--even in the 50's in homes. The boomers were becoming hippies. Now they are approaching retirement.

"Peace" and "love" in the 70's were slogans providing the thinnest veneer over the anger and intolerance roiling beneath, just like the pleasantness of PLEASANTVILLE.

I also noticed that those who expressed their love and understanding in terms like "f**king a***ole racist" and similar endearments for those who didn't get the message of the film never were specific about exactly what said message like, was, you know?

As many of the other postings here pointed out, the target audience of BILLY JACK has grown up. How many are now grandparents?

I really doubt that Tom Laughlin will be able to recapture the glorious days of 35 years ago. Maybe this is why he's trying to exploit the unpopularity of the Iraq war to solicit funds for some project or other.

Shalom, y'all.

Logged
Mike Mando
Guest
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2006, 04:09:03 PM »

This movie had a profound effect on me because I was very disillusioned by the Vietnam War, and by Religion at the time. The film spoke to me so much that I went out a few months after seeing the film and taught Indians in the Bush of Canada for the next two years. I even bought a motorcycle...a dirtbike that was red...just like his in the movie. This movie was live-changing for me.
     I also felt that the rape scene was one of the most realistic and ugly scenes I have ever witnessed.
Logged
HMZ
Guest
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM »

The 70's were a dark time culturally.  Best to let them rest in peace.  Billy Jack included.
Logged
Jacknotbilly
Guest
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

I forgot to mention:

Some here complained that "They" would not not let the 4th movie of the saga, BILLY JACK GOES TO WASHINGTON, be released or shown. Just who this They was/were never got specified. It guess it was the ubiquitous, omniscient, omnipresent, and totaly anonymous They who retain/s tight control over mores, actions, and speech, under threat of well-known, severe, and unspecified punishment. ("You can't do that! What would They say? Don't you know that They will get you for that?")

Yes, there is Freedom of Speech, a precious right in the USA.

But Freedom of Speech does NOT carry with it the concomitant Obligation to Listen by others.

Furthermore, the right toFreedom of Speech does not protect one from the consequences of saying untrue, unpopular, or offensive things.

In practical terms, you p**s off the Hollywood Movie Establishment once, you don't get your next flick distributed or shown.
Logged
Jacknotbilly
Guest
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2006, 06:44:55 PM »

BTW--Did anyone but me notice the cameraman and later on microphone plainly visible in the rape scene?
Logged
Jacknotbilly
Guest
« Reply #67 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

Well, I spent the afternoon watching the very move that the omnipotent They would not allow to be shown or distributed: Billy Jack Goes to Washington.

It's a very poor imitation of the Frank Capra classic MR SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON.

E. G. Marshall's performance brightens up the movie just as flowers brighten up a sickroom.

Question: If BJ had wound up owning these 400 acres originally intended for a nuclear power plant (i/o a camp), by that very fact they used forged documents to give it to him he could has simply STOPPED the building o the nuke plant! Nobody but me noticed this inconsistency.

No, this movie is just another platform for Laughlin to agitate for laws passed in an extra-Constitutional manner--in the movie by national initiatives and referenda (which would mean ZILCH at law, even this may be a good idea), or now (according to his site) having "televised citizens' hearings" to impeach Bush and Cheney (even though the Constitution is VERY specific about such impeachments must originate in the House before they are tried by the Senate).

But hey! It's just the US Constitution. What does that matter to the Laughlins?
Logged
Ryan J. Kenner
Guest
« Reply #68 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

All I can say is that this is the best swewering of Billy Jack since Mad magazine took Tom Laughlin to task with their parody "Billy Jerk"

Does anyone rememeber the magazine parody?  

As a film the movie is laughably bad with some of the worst music ever and what's worse is that like Jabootu points out it inspired On Deadly Ground.  The gift that never stops giving,  i'm waiting now for Vin Diesel to preach about hippy bullcrap.
Logged
jUDY
Guest
« Reply #69 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

Tom Laughlin's caring, self sacrifice and contributions to the enlightenment of this country's people through his 'Billy Jack' series of movies is just staggering in my humble opinion. As relevant today in 2006, as it was back in the seventies.

I personally felt as if a bolt of lightening had just hit me in the head (and heart) as I walked out of that theatre after my first 'Billy Jack' experience so long ago.  This young sophmore kid in high school determined to go out into the world and be an example myself, to try to make a personal and positive difference henceforth, no matter how large or small.  And, all those ticket sales verifying the 'Billy Jack' movie(s) popularity....just can't be wrong! To date, the number one selling independant movie of all time!  

While I'm no expert on the workings and goings on of Hollywood, CA nor Washington D.C., I have no doubt that he (and his wife Delores Taylor) hit the nail on the head when they created these films.

I bought the (new in 2005)DVD set and can't say enough great things about these movies AND their creators, Tom Laughlin & Delores Taylor. What wonderful people they were then and are now! They took the chances most people are afraid to take and stood up for what they believed in and I am so grateful to them for that. And grateful for the lessons they have taught me which are as valuable as any I've ever learned in my life.
When the singer sings the song 'Golden Lady' and the line "you are my teacher" at the end of 'Trial of Billy Jack' I surely can relate!
Back in the 70's these movies literally enlightened and changed my life! And after watching them all over again (including the 'Billy Jack Goes to Washington' which never got released) I have to say I think they are changing things yet again in my life, in ways I never imagined.

I get upset with all the negative comments I read regarding the karate scenes (there are only 2 karate scenes in each movie, 'Billy Jack' & 'Trial of B.J.') probably less than 5-6 minutes of the total movie, yet people seem to ONLY remember those scenes and not all the PEACE & LOVE demonstrated throughout the movies.

I'd recommend this set to anyone today and feel it's as current now (yes, just listen to the current daily news!) as it was in the 70's.
I think all kids in high school should see this also, as a lesson. Just look at what the government was up to then, as it is now and you may agree.
I truly do hope Tom Laughlin can pull off another movie about the issues currently raging in this country....we all could use it!  PEACE & LOVE....that was the overall message then, as it should still be today!
GOOD LUCK MR. LAUGHLIN!!!!
Logged
Little Hawk
Guest
« Reply #70 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

I was fascinated to see Al Caroll's comments above about John Pope, aka "Rolling Thunder".  Everything he says is correct, but the reason that I was tickled to see it is that I spent lengthy periods in the late 70's and in 1980 visiting Rolling Thunder (called "RT" by all of us visitors who knew him), and staying at the camp he set up on private land a few miles outside Carlin, Nevada.

The camp was called Meta-Tantay, which I was told means "Walk In Peace" (presumably in Shoshone).  I don't know if that's correct, but that's what I was told.

I went there in '77 for a couple of reasons.  

1. I was crazy about anything that had to do with Native Americans.  Always have been since toddlerhood, although I am white, racially speaking.  Let's put it this way...when I was a little kid my heroes weren't the cowboys and the cavalry, they were Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Cochise, Gall, Red Cloud, and so on.  Why?  I love underdogs.  I detest the John Wayne mainstream kind of thing.

2. I went there because I had read an article about RT in a magazine, got interested, and read Doug Boyd's quite well written book about RT.  Doug Boyd had visited RT in the early 70's and written a book which you can still find called "Rolling Thunder".  The book blew my mind.  I read it in one day, and immediately decided to go to Nevada and see RT.

What happened when I got there?  Well, for a kid who was crazy about Native Americans (whom I called "Indians" at the time)...and so did THEY, by the way..."Native American" had not become the only politically correct term to call them by YET.  No siree.  Listen to Buffy Sainte-Marie, the great Cree folksinger, sing "He's An Indian Cowboy In The Rodeo" and "your great great grandfather from Indian blood sprang"...and you'll see that only a few decades ago Native Americans quite often happily referred to themselves as "Indians" and did not consider it a pejorative or racist term at all.  My, how times have changed!  You can get in total s**t with various terribly earnest people for saying that word "Indian" now, unless you mean someone from Inda.
 
Sorry...got carried away there...well, when I got there I discovered right away that RT was a VERY charismatic character, a born showman.  He knew how to impress and entertain a receptive audience, no doubt about it.  By the same token, I'm sure some of the not so receptive hated his guts, because he was always railing against rednecks, the white middle class and rich people, the government, the CIA, the US military, etc, etc...

That man just loved taking on major opposition.  He lived to fight with people about stuff.  ;-)  Al is entirely correct that he had a paranoid worldview.  More about that later.

Anyway, I was impressed.  Hell, yeah!  He was saying everything I had dreamed of.  So I went out and stayed at the camp for nine months.  There I met a lot of people who became among my dearest friends for some years.  Yeah, they were almost all white hippies (or "freaks", as we called ourselves at the time), although there were a few NA's too (I'm SICK of typing out "Native American", so it's NA from here on).

I always wondered if RT was really NA at all, because he looked white to me.  He claimed to be Cherokee.  Well, his wife was clearly NA.  Her name was Spotted Faun, and she had pretty typical Shoshone features.  His son, Mala, had the same basic Shoshone features, as did RT's older son, Buffalo Horse.  Mala was the camp leader.  Another NA was the number 2 man and his name was...and I kid you not..."Running Bear"...and he was a hell of a nice guy, from California, I think.  We called him "RB" normally.  Then there were a lot of white kids, a couple of blacks, some mixed-blood people, but Al Carrol is basically right when he says that RT worked mainly with white hippy types.  Not exclusively, but mainly.

Now...a word or two on the movie, Billy Jack.  I saw it in '71.  It made a huge impression on me.  It was the perfect time for that movie, because the counterculture kids were in exactly the right mood for it at the time.  This explains its huge success.  There was tremendous anger and cynicism about the Vietnam War, the US government, the straight society, the rednecks...a tremendous sense of all us young people being brothers and sisters together in a struggle against massive oppression by the government and the right wing forces in America.  So the movie hit a nerve all right!  I walked out of the theatre afterwards feeling like I was on fire.  Never was a movie more perfectly timed to suit its youthful audience.

In retrospect, many years later, I'd have to say that it's an embarrassing film in a number of respects.  The extremely sanctimonious, martyr-like, whiny attitude of the kids at the Freedom School can curdle your gut now, watching it.  But we just didn't see ourselves like that at the time.  We believed in our cause 100%.

Many of the ideals that Laughlin espoused, I still support, but I do not see the world in such blatantly black and white dichotomies of good and evil as I did in my early 20's.  It's not that simple.  And I do not see us "freaks" through the rosy glasses of idealism as back then.  We were far too sure of our own moral superiority, let me tell you!  I mean, what ARROGANCE!  What presumption!  My God, it's amazing what you can be like when you're young, passionate, and you think you know everything.  We thought we were going to save the world somehow, and we thought that all those who opposed us were totally, iredeemably evil and stupid.  It must be something to be that innocent.

Well, RT hung out a lot with Tom Laughlin in the early 70's, so I heard, and helped with the movies.  He can be seen in a couple of short scenes here and there, specially in The Trial of Billy Jack, which is in my opinion a terribly badly scripted film...I mean, like a 1.5 out of 10!  Buffalo Horse also appears in one of those scenes, yelling about blowing people up or shooting them or something (a perfect scene for him to do...he was a very aggressive, macho character in real life).

Tom Laughlin had donated a medium sized truck to the camp, with his famous funky hat logo on the doors.  It was called the "Billy Jack" truck, and is no doubt in the junkyard by now, but at the time it was one of our best vehicles.

Life at the camp was wonderful in '77 because the shared idealism there was phenomenal.  It was almost the only place I've ever lived where everyone was united in mind and purpose, where you could trust everyone to tell the truth...it was true brotherhood.  You had to be there to know it.  Better than that danged Freedom School in the movie, lemme tell you!  ;-)  

I was there for 9 months and it utterly changed my life.  I have to thank RT for making that possible.  I don't even care if he was a "fake", he did something remarkable there.

Went back in '78 and again in 1980, but by 1980 a lot of the people first there had come and gone, and new people came in, and the spirit of the place was souring in a way that was hard to pin down.  To make a long story short, it broke my heart how the place had gone down.  I believe some people's egos simply got way out of hand.  They got very competitive in trying to outdo each other or something as "super-Medicine Way Indians" or "Thunder People" or whatever the hell you would call it...and they got awfully arrogant toward newcomers and outsiders and anyone who wasn't in the in-group (which was a handful of people).  There wasn't the good-humoured openness and heart that had been there before.  My God, it was sad.  I suffered in it for about 6 months, couldn't take it anymore, and left.  I think the camp shut down a couple of years after that and everyone scattered in all directions.  Some people settled nearby, like in Elko (Smokestack Steve, for one).  Others went here there and everywhere.

I visited RT again in '87, just passing through, stayed about a week at his house.  He wasn't well, and I doubt that he lived much longer after that.  I am not aware as to when he passed away.

RT was an unusual man.  He was a consummate showman.  If he was playing phony "medicine man" (and perhaps so) then he did it with real style.  He affected a lot of people profoundly.  So did the Billy Jack movie.

The really weird thing is this:  Take all the reviews written above about Billy Jack.  ALL of them.  Take the reviews of people who love the movie.  Take the reviews of people who downright hate it.

Just about EVERYTHING they all say is true.  The good stuff and the bad stuff is true.  That's what's amazing about people, they all perceive their own part of the Truth...the sad thing is how little tolerance they have for anyone else's part, if it doesn't match their own.

It was the perfect movie for 1971.  If you want to know what the psychology of the long-haired freaks was, right at that tiny moment in history...it's in that movie.

We were inspired.  We were self-indulgent fools.  We were full of youthful idealism.  We were self-important and pompous and inexperienced.  We were dead serious about it.  We demanded respect of straight society, but detested it in return.  We were intense in our love for the counterculture and our hatred for the System.  We were laughably naive.  We were soft-hearted and hopeful.  We were full of love.  We were arrogant as hell.  We were every good and bad thing you can imagine.

It's all true, people.  All of it.  But if you deny 95% of a truth for only the 5% you personally like and feel comfortable with...what good will that do after all this time has passed?







Logged
Peter Hassall
Guest
« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

Yes, Billy Jack is dated and preachy and slow...but...it has some classic dialogue quotes and that amazing fight scene in the park. The leadup to the fight is brilliant ("I'm going to take this foot and kick you on that side of your face...").

Master Bong Soo Han doubles him for the tricky kicks in the park fight (including the amazing kick to the face at the start - camera angle cuts to looking down from overhead). Full contact kicks to heads and bodies!

He doesn't use Judo or Karate. It is Hapkido.

BTW there is an amazing fight with Bong Soo Han and Tom vs. several axe wielding opponents in The Trial of Billy Jack.  
Logged
Rob
Guest
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

In "I Hated Tonto (I Still Do)," Alexie says that Indians worshipped Billy Jack, even though Laughlin is white.  I see some of you disagree.  Is Alexie wrong, then?  Can anyone tell me if there were any protests against or critiques of the film by ndns?
Logged
Margaret Lind
Guest
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2006, 04:09:49 PM »

This movie was filmed in my town!

I've lived here my whole life. It's really very neat to see how it was in the 70s.
Logged
Sally
Guest
« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2006, 04:10:12 PM »

I loved Billy Jack.  Jean was beautiful.  I always wanted to make a beaded band for a hat that was just like Billy Jack's, but I was never able to find a clear enough picture of it to do that.  Anyone know where I can find one?

What ever happened to Billy Jack's original hat?  Do you think Tom still has it?

To the person asking about it - the original One Tin Soldier was recorded by "The Original Caste" several years before Coven recorded it for the movie.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 [5] 6 7 8
Badmovies.org Forum  |  Information Exchange  |  Reader Comments  |  Billy Jack « previous next »
    Jump to:  


    RSS Feed Subscribe Subscribe by RSS
    Email Subscribe Subscribe by Email


    Popular Articles
    How To Find A Bad Movie

    The Champions of Justice

    Plan 9 from Outer Space

    Manos, The Hands of Fate

    Podcast: Todd the Convenience Store Clerk

    Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!

    Dragonball: The Magic Begins

    Cool As Ice

    The Educational Archives: Driver's Ed

    Godzilla vs. Monster Zero

    Do you have a zombie plan?

    FROM THE BADMOVIES.ORG ARCHIVES
    ImageThe Giant Claw - Slime drop

    Earth is visited by a GIANT ANTIMATTER SPACE BUZZARD! Gawk at the amazingly bad bird puppet, or chuckle over the silly dialog. This is one of the greatest b-movies ever made.

    Lesson Learned:
    • Osmosis: os·mo·sis (oz-mo'sis, os-) n., 1. When a bird eats something.

    Subscribe to Badmovies.org and get updates by email:

    HOME B-Movie Reviews Reader Reviews Forum Interviews TV Shows Advertising Information Sideshows Links Contact

    Badmovies.org is owned and operated by Andrew Borntreger. All original content is © 1998 - 2014 by its respective author(s). Image, video, and audio files are used in accordance with the Fair Use Law, and are property of the film copyright holders. You may freely link to any page (.html or .php) on this website, but reproduction in any other form must be authorized by the copyright holder.