Boondock Saints (1999)

[Famous Mortimer]

     A gratuitous breast-shot can be funny and self-aware, plus they're generally pleasant to observe in any context.  Vulgar language to no end, however, can be wearing and tiresome, much like being seated next to some loud drunk in a restuarant who won't shut up.
     

So breast shots for no reason are fine in a film but swearing for no reason isn't? I just feel we should have gotten beyond that a bit, I'm not chopped liver but equally I'd rather see women in modern films be portrayed as something more than eye candy.

I think my main argument is the swearing in "Boondock Saints" isn't unnecessary. And the discussion of "Deadwood" reveals that quite a lot of swearing in a show can be crucial to the plot- so there's certainly no hard and fast rules. And if you're offended by swearing in any context...I recommend you finding out how many ordinary people live below the UN's official poverty line while others have far more money than they could spend in a hundred lifetimes, and getting a sense of perspective about what's really offensive.

[peter johnson]

Re. The UN poverty line --
This reminds me of Nixon and Kruschev in the New York Modern Kitchen exhibition.  Nixon points out to Kruschev that this is how the average American kitchen could look in 1961, and how would this compare to what the average Soviet citizen could look forward to?
Kruschev replies:  "What about the Negroes in Harlem?"
* * *
Moral:  We are talking about commonalities in bad movies, not UN issues of international poverty.
      By this standard, if I find a child in a restuarant to be badly behaved because he throws things at me, I am not allowed to say anything because people in Sudan are starving.
     So, to keep comparing apples and flying fish:
Yes, I would certainly say that a random, gratuitous breast shot, particularly an over-the-top one, like the hottub scene in "European Vacation", can be a great source of humour -- Just like a self-aware swearing scene, re. "Happy Birthday Wanda June", wherein the characters marvel over the commonality of formerly filthy words, can be hysterically entertaining.
     What I am annoyed with is the unneccessary addition of hip-hop vocabulary to scenes that don't require it. 
     Nor was I necessarily championing the wholesale treatment of women as eye candy.  Are we not allowed to say breasts are pleasant to look at and that repetitive, dull, repetitive verbal singularities are unpleasant to listen to without offending the Modern Sensibility?
peter victorian/denny tits

[Torgo]

Ron Jeremy's death scene & performance in this one was the only thing I liked about it.

I actually thought that Willem Dafoe was terrible.

[Famous Mortimer]

Re. The UN poverty line --
This reminds me of Nixon and Kruschev in the New York Modern Kitchen exhibition.  Nixon points out to Kruschev that this is how the average American kitchen could look in 1961, and how would this compare to what the average Soviet citizen could look forward to?
Kruschev replies:  "What about the Negroes in Harlem?"
* * *
Moral:  We are talking about commonalities in bad movies, not UN issues of international poverty.
      By this standard, if I find a child in a restuarant to be badly behaved because he throws things at me, I am not allowed to say anything because people in Sudan are starving.
     So, to keep comparing apples and flying fish:

Incorrect comparison- if you were annoyed by kids in a restaurant, but not annoyed by kids in a movie theatre, then it'd be a similar comparison to what I was saying. It's also a silly comparison because I was clearly referring to people who just seem to be annoyed by swearing per se (a few of whom have posted in this thread). But carry on feeling aggrieved about comments not directed at you if you like.

Are we not allowed to say breasts are pleasant to look at and that repetitive, dull, repetitive verbal singularities are unpleasant to listen to without offending the Modern Sensibility?

"Dull, repetitive verbal singularities". So, not just swearing in films but that. So not comparing like with like. Did I say breasts were unpleasant to look at? Do you find ignoring what the other person says wins you a lot of arguments? Saying you like "gratuitous" breast shots is a movie is not the same as saying you think breasts are pleasant to look at, but perhaps to you it is.

[peter johnson]

I do not follow your argument.
You were comparing things that did not go together:  UN poverty standards vs. being annoyed by profanity.
You took me to task because I said random, gratuitous breast shots were enjoyable &  you said you'd hoped we'd gotten beyond that.  No, you did not say breasts were unpleasant to look at, but you still did not like my remarks.
Not really interested in an Argument Clinic either --
Read your own posts, for goodness sake!!
I really do try not to take umbrage with things not directed at me, but you're all over the map here --
Focus, baby, focus . . .
Reread my post:  I was saying that the use of profanity in modern films IS "repetitive, dull, repetitive".  I was not introducing a new topic.
To repeat:  I don't find random, gratuitous breast shots to be offensive, but I do find the mindless, overuse of profanity in modern movies to be tedious and self-defeating.  That is all.
peter johnson/denny WTF

[CoreyHeldpen]

Go to the IMDB on this one and they're pretty evenly split.
Half hated it..half loved it.

The IMDb community is usually pretty split, aren't they?