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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2007, 09:30:27 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2007, 02:15:01 PM »

Boy, with all the smoking and drinking Humphrey Bogart used to do, all of his movies mayl need to be re-released with an "R" rating . . .
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2007, 05:23:46 AM »

Well, if you believe the studies, 15% of children take up smoking, because they have seen a character smoke in a movie.

And Humphrey Bogart is a good reason to not take  up smoking, as his death, by throat cancer, was brought upon by his smoking. How many more of his films would we have enjoyed, if he had not smoked.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2007, 05:28:02 AM »

I guess Cheech and Chong movies would be the equivalent of  substance abuse porno! TeddyR
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2007, 07:23:06 AM »

And, FYI? That whole "second hand smoking" crap? Pure fantasy. You are only affected if you are a cigarette smoker yourself. If you are not, being around other smokers will not affect your health drastically as many anti-smoking propagandists have tried to con you into believing. The whole idea of second-hand smoke is kind of like saying, if you hang around fat people, you'll become fat yourself, even if you don't eat whatever they're eating that's making them so large.

I'm going to keep this brief because if my girlfriend finds me shouting obscenities at the computer screen I'll be bludgeoned and dragged away.

Most of this mania has to do with the 2007 report from the Surgeon General.  The report follows Aristotelean thinking:   Smoking kills people --> Second hand smoke is the same thing as mainstream smoke --> Second hand smoke kills people.  First of all, very little information is available on second hand smoke.  So the report makes use of "the more extensive literature on active smoking and disease" as well as studies conducted on fetuses of smoking mothers.  There are numerous flaws to this approach, but I'll address the largest:  The concentration of Respirable Suspended Particles (RSPs) a smoker receives is significantly greater than that of an "at risk" second hand smoker.  Independent studies by Covance and Oak Ridge National Laboratories determined this to be about 1000:1.  So in essence, a pack-a-day smoker will acquire 1000 times the carcinogenic fury of tobacco smoke than a nonsmoker who lives or works around heavy smokers.  The SG did not make use of either report and instead ceded that "a specific quantitative definition of second hand smoke cannot be offered."  Incidentally, the SG does more directly contradict its chain of reasoning by admitting that the concentration of the smoke "is rapidly diluted as it travels away from the burning cigarette."

I am a smoker.  I love smoking.  I think there is a beauty (however insidious) in the culture of smoking, cinema and otherwise.  I just wish the people making laws and policy had better knowledge of their subjects.  Or, that failing, I wish government-issued reports were both scientific and factual in nature.  In case you were wondering, a major source of funding behind the 2007 report was Johnson & Johnson, a company which owns numerous "quitting" products like Nicoderm.  I suspect this investment has done well for them.  TeddyR
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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2007, 08:30:51 AM »

This anti-smoking crap is really destructive.  Nine years ago I was having a lot of problems with feeling dizzy and worrying that I might pass out.  I went to a doctor and he told me to quit smoking.  So for 9 years my life was really negatively affected by this problem.  Then I finally went to another doctor who wasn't a member of the tobacco taliban and he diagnosed me with general anxiety disorder, gave me some pills, and now I'm 100% better.  Nine freakin' years unable to enjoy life as I normally did because some freakin' doctor wanted to blame everything on smoking.

 
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2007, 09:01:30 AM »


I'm going to keep this brief because if my girlfriend finds me shouting obscenities at the computer screen I'll be bludgeoned and dragged away.

Independent studies by Covance and Oak Ridge National Laboratories determined this to be about 1000:1. 


Wasn't there also a report several years ago released by the World Health Organization that showed rather conclusively that the 'scare' about second hand smoke was, uh, smoke and mirrors?

This, like so many other issues in the US these days, is more politics than science.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2007, 10:13:48 AM »

Wasn't there also a report several years ago released by the World Health Organization that showed rather conclusively that the 'scare' about second hand smoke was, uh, smoke and mirrors?


WHO is actively against both smoking and secondhand smoke.  WHO published a SHS (secondhand smoke) report in 1998 with 1542 control subjects and 650 cancer patients.  Ironically, the report determined there was no statistically significant increase in risk associated with nonsmokers living or working among smokers.  And as a further blow, they found an associated decrease in lung cancer risks from children of smoking parents (22%)!  These were considered anomalous and WHO's press release instead focused on previously conducted meta analysis by the British Medial Journal (1997)!  WHO concluded, "From ... the scientific evidence emerges a clear global scientific consensus — passive smoking does cause lung cancer and other diseases."  You know, just not in their study.   TeddyR

For a good time, check out WHO's press release here:  http://www.who.int/inf-pr-1998/en/pr98-29.html  Oh lordie, hehehehe.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2007, 02:57:43 PM »

A couple things, First: Jack, , , spread the wealth man, , You owe it to the group, your peers, to share those pills. We'll start another thread where people can list their address.

Second, as a former smoker (smoked for 20 years, quit 2-1/2 ago), I now hate smoke, , so know what I do? I DON'T GO WHERE THERE IS SMOKE. . it was a tough one, but I figured it out all on my own. I really do miss it, as I did enjoy it, but I'm glad I quit, and I'm not going back. That said, I do complain when people are smoking at the door of a building I'm going into or other instances that are unavoidable, , but the whole "I am a mobile no-smoking zone so you gotta get out of my way" ideology is stupid. I agree with no smoking at work, but if you work in a bar, you're gonna have to deal with it, it's called personal responsibility. With the popularity of quitting as of late, I'm surprize it hasn't been cashed in on more by people starting a non-smoking bar. Would have worked well I believe, , but anyways. It's gone way overboard, like those BS "truth" ads. The one that especially caught my eye was they were complaining that "Big Tobbaco" was trying to develope a way of using Tobbaco plants in the production of paper. OK, So they try and use crop in a way that is in no way any form of health issue or such, , and you STILL wantt hem to stop? Proved to me they are not about "Truth" in any way, , but just trying to run some people out of business, and would continue to do so even had they done everything asked of them.

I like how the anti-smoking idiots have decided that smoking takes time off the end of your life, , so if you've ever smoked, , and die from anything but physical trauma, , that as far as they are concerned you died of smoking and their figures represent that. basically, if you smoke a pack of cigarettes, and die at 175 years of age, you died from the cigarettes, because if you DIDN'T smoke them, you would have lived another five minutes. I read one article that claimed some enormous amount of people dying every day from smoking, , it was GREATER than the number of people BORN in the US every day. . .somehow I think they were exaggerating a bit.

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2007, 05:37:01 PM »

 I was reading a book today,by Charles Fort called LO!,and made a comment regarding astromeners..but I suppose it could apply to anyone who is trying to pass on bull sh!t as facts:
   "A researcher will sketchily take up a subject, and then drop it,saying that it is too complex, but that it can be mathematically demonstrated.The reader,who is good deal of a dodger, himself, relieved at at not having to go into complexities, takes this lazily and faithfully. It is bamboozlement."  If enough goverment ordained organizations or paid to think scientists say it's so, then it's so! Or,as Hitler was known to have said,tell a small lie,no one will believe you. Tell a BIG lie, it will seem so outrageous,that it must be true. 
 
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2007, 06:46:00 PM »

Changing the rating based on smoking is ridiculous.

Now, I am going to disagree that secondhand smoke will not affect others.  My mother smoked and every year (during the winter) I would get bronchitis.  This despite me being a runner, eating well, and so on.  Every year I dealt with a respiratory infection.  That is, until I joined the Marine Corps shortly after my 18th birthday.  At boot camp, I came down with pneumonia (I reported for boot on 3 December).

Since then, I have never had bronchitis or any other serious respiratory infection.  I get a cold or flu now and then, but otherwise no problem at all.  If I am around smokers, afterwards I appear to have hay fever.  Red eyes, sniffles, the works.  I am uncertain if some of those hay fever-like symptoms are psychosomatic or what.

Mom still smokes.  Unfortunately, that means that we will not drop off Jenna and Andy at her house to stay with her.  I can vividly remember hacking up globs of thick phlegm and don't want them to experience that.  I am good with the fact that they will get sick from time to time.  Keeping the immune system up is fine.  There is no reason for it to happen because they are breathing an irritant.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2007, 07:52:45 PM »

Changing the rating based on smoking is ridiculous.

Now, I am going to disagree that secondhand smoke will not affect others.  My mother smoked and every year (during the winter) I would get bronchitis.  This despite me being a runner, eating well, and so on.  Every year I dealt with a respiratory infection.  That is, until I joined the Marine Corps shortly after my 18th birthday.  At boot camp, I came down with pneumonia (I reported for boot on 3 December).

Since then, I have never had bronchitis or any other serious respiratory infection.  I get a cold or flu now and then, but otherwise no problem at all.  If I am around smokers, afterwards I appear to have hay fever.  Red eyes, sniffles, the works.  I am uncertain if some of those hay fever-like symptoms are psychosomatic or what.

Mom still smokes.  Unfortunately, that means that we will not drop off Jenna and Andy at her house to stay with her.  I can vividly remember hacking up globs of thick phlegm and don't want them to experience that.  I am good with the fact that they will get sick from time to time.  Keeping the immune system up is fine.  There is no reason for it to happen because they are breathing an irritant.
Well said.  Much of American culture has become politicized, and I agree with much of what has been said in this thread regarding that, however it seems that there is a kernel of common sense to the idea that breathing smoke on a regular basis, albeit even secondhand smoke, can't be good for anyone.  Though public smoking is virtually nonexistent in my state, it wasn't so long ago I would see mothers blowing smoke into the faces of their toddlers in the supermarket wagon.  Though I miss my cigs when bellied up to the bar, I believe breathing is a right and smoking a privilege. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2007, 09:31:03 PM »

I think there is a BIG difference in being constantly exposed to it, especially as a child and in enclosed areas, and some of the ridiculous claims that are made.  I've heard people claim they can smell the smoke from INSIDE their house when a smoker lights up inside THEIR HOUSE over 300 yards away.

Andrew, The WHO study showed no statistical increase in chronic diseases like cancer for secondary smokers over the control; what you  are describing are acute symptoms and that seems pretty reasonable for a close proximity exposure.  Hopefully, you won't show long term, chronic effects.

In either case, the point is that the anti-smoking 'establishment' in this country seems off the deep end with some of what is said and done, and this MPAA 'action' demonstrates that.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2007, 10:41:02 PM »

. . . the point is that the anti-smoking 'establishment' in this country seems off the deep end with some of what is said and done, and this MPAA 'action' demonstrates that.
You're right; that was the point of the thread.  Assuming the MPAA takes action such as rating a film as more "adult" because a character may smoke is ridiculous. 

But, I wouldn't be quick to point fingers at an anti-smoking establishment since its precedent as "establishment" are the huge Washington lobbies, like the NRA, or still huge and powerful Altria Group (formerly Philip Morris) with millions spent each year on politicians.  One must weigh motivation.  Oil, guns, tobacco, it's all big money.   There is no money in selling abstinence. 
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2007, 07:34:48 AM »


  There is no money in selling abstinence. 


Hehe, in theory I guess that's correct.  In this day-and-age of federal grants for this and that program, PLUS all the pharmaceutical companies and therapists selling methodologies to quit smoking, I think there is plenty of money in abstinence.  Truth.com was not running (false) TV commercials for free.

Plus, the real motivation seems to be more power than money.

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