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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2007, 01:46:38 PM »

(Mon Mothma and all her cronies in the Rebel Alliance are therefore war criminals for sacrificing so many of their own soldiers and civilian lives in her illegal, self-serving, politically motivated Endor War, right? And Mon Mothma is the WORST leader in all the galaxy's history, even worse than Emperor Palpatine ever was, right? Palpatine naively thought his convictions and honesty, willingness to compromise, and firm stance on a real honest-to-goodness belief system would serve him as an efficient and galvanizing Chancellor. The fool! Instead, he was faced with partisan politics, back room glad-handed deals, and Mace Windu's Jedi hawks eager to eviscerate a wet-behind-the-ears upstart from the pleasant backwaters of suburban Naboo.)
(Is the satire light-hearted enough for you, AllHallowsDay?)
Lookingup That's neither satire nor light-hearted.  That's a shot.    My suggestion was simply to keep it light. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2007, 07:01:44 PM »

inyarear-  trotsky got an icepick in the brain for saying stuff like that.  wars in the 20th century were largely the product of his type of big government ideological ends justify the means crusade.  which is very much alive in the neoconservative think tanks, much to the civilized worlds disadvantage.

I'm sure he did. It doesn't change the fact that it's true. The appeasement-mongering left-wing spin machines are the forces undermining civilization, not the serious academics of the right.
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2007, 07:13:17 PM »

inyarear-  trotsky got an icepick in the brain for saying stuff like that.  wars in the 20th century were largely the product of his type of big government ideological ends justify the means crusade.  which is very much alive in the neoconservative think tanks, much to the civilized worlds disadvantage.

I'm sure he did. It doesn't change the fact that it's true. The appeasement-mongering left-wing spin machines are the forces undermining civilization, not the serious academics of the right.

Some would say it's both.  It's completely and foolishly close-minded to believe that only one side of politics is in the wrong.  I consider myself to be a staunch liberal but I can say that the democrats are in the wrong just as much as the republicans. 
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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2007, 08:13:52 PM »

  Awright .I gotta say it...if I don't I'll burst. I am not a liberal. I am not a conservative.  In fact, I really don't give a rat's ass about politics at all.  But the fact of the matter is-George Bush is a f$cking babbling idiot. There. I feel better now.
   Of course,so am I. but I am not the leader(?) of this country.
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2007, 08:58:39 PM »

  Awright .I gotta say it...if I don't I'll burst. I am not a liberal. I am not a conservative.  In fact, I really don't give a rat's ass about politics at all.  But the fact of the matter is-George Bush is a f$cking babbling idiot. There. I feel better now.
   Of course,so am I. but I am not the leader(?) of this country.
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Some would say it's both.  It's completely and foolishly close-minded to believe that only one side of politics is in the wrong.  I consider myself to be a staunch liberal but I can say that the democrats are in the wrong just as much as the republicans. 
Could not agree more; I've voted both ways and am a staunchly registered independent!   Smile

The appeasement-mongering left-wing spin machines are the forces undermining civilization, not the serious academics of the right.
So... are you suggesting that writers and thinkers left of center are spin doctors, and only those on the right true academics?   Question
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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2007, 09:45:19 PM »

 
  All this poliical mumbo jumbo has gotton us waay off track of the REAL subject: Is sci-fi dead? Well...I think this short film is an answer to the future of sci-fi...

             [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRuC1AliLso
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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2007, 09:51:34 PM »

All this poliical mumbo jumbo has gotton us waay off track of the REAL subject: Is sci-fi dead? Well...I think this short film is an answer to the future of sci-fi...
That was too stupid for words, so, of course, I loved it.  I don't know that I agree with your segue, Babe, I mean Bela.  "All this political mumbo jumbo...?"  You were the one who had the outburst.   TeddyR
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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2007, 10:00:51 PM »

 Yes...I did. But  I meant mumbo jumbo in a dumbo way. In other words...I'm an idiot!   TeddyR

  I get carried away at times...but mentioning the far right and serious academics in the same sentence kinda turned my brain into jello.
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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2007, 10:13:25 PM »

Yes...I did. But  I meant mumbo jumbo in a dumbo way. In other words...I'm an idiot!   TeddyR

  I get carried away at times...but mentioning the far right and serious academics in the same sentence kinda turned my brain into jello.
Thanks.  TeddyR  You're not an "idiot."  I applauded your comment, and am abandoned in the process.  BTW, I didn't write "far right."  Don't care, it's a board and I waded into a political discussion--mistake!  I was hoping INYAREAR would've responded, but instead now we do have "jello." 
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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2007, 03:56:25 AM »

My addition to the discussion: The coronation scene in the original Star Wars was taken from the infamous Nazi propaganda movie Triumph of the Will.  What does that mean?  Who cares?

As far as sci-fi being dead?  Stupid.

It's a blowhard statement by a director, and where did it come from?  An off-the-cuff interview?

The problem with sci-fi is that for most people it's only a type of movie, usually involving space and aliens.  Science fiction, for a quick and dirty definition involves the future or the near future.  That will never die, and it will change as often as some new person decides to take a look at it.  Harry Turtledove's alternate timeline books are "science fiction."  That's not the future, but still sci-fi?

So I think that Ridley Scott was pretty much thinking all sci-fi meant his sci-fi.  It's a dumb thought.  Just because you're out of ideas doesn't mean everybody else is too.

But then again, why would you all of a sudden claim Deckard was a replicant?  Does it help the movie?
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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2007, 08:12:15 AM »

inyarear-  the serious thinkers on the right are pat Buchanan and Ron paul, not the neo cons.   the toads at townhall and the weekly standard are  israeli propaganda specialists who have little actual knowledge of the middle east and /or war and have seen little to none of either.  war is their answer for everything.,  when that fails, more war, when that fails MORE war.  we'd still be in vietnam, somalia, the 90% tax rate, prohibition and every other stupid government intervention into our lives if they had their way.

at any rate, the cold war is over, our presence in the middle east is, in fact ,obsolete.
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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2007, 08:46:23 AM »

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Sorry.  I try never to get involved in heavy political conversations like the one that this thread has become, and frankly, it's become rather boring.
I know.  I have the option of not looking in on the thread, but it's kinda like a car wreck.

That being said...I STILL LIKE TATER TOTS!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2007, 12:03:59 PM »

Sci-Fi is far from dead. It may not be as popular right now as it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s but it's only a matter of time before its popularity returns. The dumbing down of concepts and CGI (which quite frankly doesn't impress more often than not if not combined with old FX techniques) I feel are both doing damage to Sci-Fi.
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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2007, 01:55:57 PM »

inyarear-  the serious thinkers on the right are pat Buchanan and Ron paul, not the neo cons.   the toads at townhall and the weekly standard are  israeli propaganda specialists who have little actual knowledge of the middle east and /or war and have seen little to none of either.  war is their answer for everything.,  when that fails, more war, when that fails MORE war.  we'd still be in vietnam, somalia, the 90% tax rate, prohibition and every other stupid government intervention into our lives if they had their way.

Oh, puh-lease! Next thing you'll be telling me is that 9/11 was an inside job and the Holocaust never really happened. "Serious thinkers" like that who go around preaching their bloody Jew hatred, Bush hatred, and America hatred are the very "spin doctors" I have in mind here. Now that you bring them up, though, I will add that conspiracy theorists like Ron Paul and xenophobic blowhards like Pat Buchanan are real nutjobs too. I wouldn't vote for either of those David Duke wannabes: I'm not THAT far to the right!

So... are you suggesting that writers and thinkers left of center are spin doctors, and only those on the right true academics?   Question

Well, the ones I've met are, anyway. (Take Lester here, for instance...) For college, I went to the "think tank" of Hillsdale in Michigan, where there were no speech codes, no smoking prohibitions, and essentially no political correctness whatsoever; this in contrast to other colleges, which were and are full of this crap, and the "mainstream" media, which was and still is something like 90% Democrat. (I continue to read about their spin and out-and-out lies every day at www.newsbusters.org.) The stark contrast between the two sides only seems to get starker with time.

My addition to the discussion: The coronation scene in the original Star Wars was taken from the infamous Nazi propaganda movie Triumph of the Will.  What does that mean?  Who cares?

Well, as a rule, when plagiarizing your work from history, steal from the best! The Nazis used all the best pageantry they could find in support of their despicable cause. Perhaps George Lucas was simply offering a subtle hint that the age of self-flagellation was over and it was all right for people to start holding spiffy parades and coronation ceremonies again. As you say, though, who cares?

As far as sci-fi being dead?  Stupid.

It's a blowhard statement by a director, and where did it come from?  An off-the-cuff interview?

The problem with sci-fi is that for most people it's only a type of movie, usually involving space and aliens.  Science fiction, for a quick and dirty definition involves the future or the near future.  That will never die, and it will change as often as some new person decides to take a look at it.  Harry Turtledove's alternate timeline books are "science fiction."  That's not the future, but still sci-fi?

So I think that Ridley Scott was pretty much thinking all sci-fi meant his sci-fi.  It's a dumb thought.  Just because you're out of ideas doesn't mean everybody else is too.

Exactly. To this, I would add that AI: Artificial Intelligence is sci-fi. Deep Impact is sci-fi. Even Back To The Future is sci-fi (albeit a rather cheesy kind). Science fiction has plenty of technological possibilities and impossibilities left to explore, and it always will.
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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2007, 07:14:43 PM »

Well, the ones I've met are, anyway. (Take Lester here, for instance...)
That's another one of your not-so-thinly-veiled shots... but, you don't fool me.   Wink

For college, I went to the "think tank" of Hillsdale in Michigan, where there were no speech codes, no smoking prohibitions, and essentially no political correctness whatsoever; this in contrast to other colleges, which were and are full of this crap, and the "mainstream" media, which was and still is something like 90% Democrat. (I continue to read about their spin and out-and-out lies every day at www.newsbusters.org.) The stark contrast between the two sides only seems to get starker with time.
Uhm... did it occur to you that Republicans spin their version of the truth, too?  Newsbusters.org is like citing the New York Post as a news source, and I would suggest that it's biased.  You think "mainstream" media is 90% Democrat, that's quite a lofty percentage, but interesting considering how Bill Clinton was barbecued by the largely Democratic media... I think the "biased" media angle is an excuse for the significantly bad press the Republicans have gotten these last several years, not to mention thru much of the 20th century!  But it works both ways and is ultimately relevant to what or whom is newsworthy.  Anybody remember DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN?  Nothing's changed as far as human nature.  Selling is even more important to America than partisan politics.

Well, as a rule, when plagiarizing your work from history, steal from the best! The Nazis used all the best pageantry they could find in support of their despicable cause. Perhaps George Lucas was simply offering a subtle hint that the age of self-flagellation was over and it was all right for people to start holding spiffy parades and coronation ceremonies again. As you say, though, who cares?
Some 'tis true, but I think largely baloney.  LENI RIEFENSTAHL made a remarkable film (TRIUMPH DES WILLENS) but in the service of murderers. 
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