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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 03:42:30 PM »

She's quite a looker, and comes with tons of catch-phrases in reagrds to things that just don't matter like her basketball abilities, bear hunting, general Alaskan perceived toughness

Maybe they'll spin all of this to say that she's going to hunt down Bin Laden single-handedly, using her abilities as a failed beauty queen to seduce her way into Al Queda, fight her way through a legion of extremists to kill Osama with her bare hands and then slam dunk said head as part of a photo op for her own future bid as prez!

Beyond that, I'm staying out of the irony of hiring a woman with only two years of experience governing ALASKA (no offense Ghouck) as VP for a guy who voted AGAINST bills to give female workers fair wages compared to their male counterparts. No more politics for me folks, I'm just gonna close my eyes and ears and not open them till November. Smile
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 04:01:37 PM »

She's quite a looker, and comes with tons of catch-phrases in reagrds to things that just don't matter...

If elected, she will be the nation's very first VPILF (not counting a young Walter Mondale).
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 04:56:13 PM »

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Basically, I think she's GREAT as a governor so far, but really don't think she's experienced enough for VP YET.

Then that begs the question is Obama experienced enough to be P?

Governor with executive experience verses a community organizer, I'm not giving him credit as a Senator since all his done since becoming one is run for President and Biden and McCain don't have any either, the Senate is not a executive office. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 05:04:35 PM »


 the Senate is not a executive office. 


This is an excellent point that is far too often overlooked.  Some segments of our populace seem to think that legislative experience = the makings of a good executive.  After all, the Chief Executive's role is nothing more than to regulate, right?

This concept dilutes the Separation of Powers.  Putting legislators into the executive body, assuming that they will continue to think like legislators, effectively removes whatever Check and Balance the Executive Branch holds over the Legislature.

You couple that with the observation that the Senate, as a body, is a self-proclaimed Aristocracy, a Ruling Class, and I think putting former Senators into the Presidency is only asking for trouble for We The People.  This trouble may not manifest for a while, a generation perhaps, but nothing everything of importance happens during our (short) lifetimes.

Once again, I am reminded of the writings often attributed to Alexander Tyler.
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 06:34:47 PM »


Beyond that, I'm staying out of the irony of hiring a woman with only two years of experience governing ALASKA (no offense Ghouck)

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Actually it's pretty true, Alaska is one of the smallest states population wise, and it lacks many of the problems other places have, and with only one real big city, many problems are contained. Add to that the fact the state gets so much money from the oil companies, , enough that we get a DIVIDEND of a couple grand every year for every person, and you can see that running the government gets easier. People are less likely to take a hard look at what the state is doing with it's money, since we don't pay state taxes, many don't realize they have a steak and a say in what is done. We're also a tourist state, so the state tends to favor businesses over individuals, and individuals are more likely to accept that. Heck, if you think about it, over 1% of the state's population is military, so there's a relatively large amount of federal money coming in right there. We are a resourced-based state also, what with all the mining, fishing, oil, lumber, gas, , a huge amount of the money made in the state is made simply by collecting what is there, , which means less skilled labor is needed, since it's all stuff we've been doing for a century or two, nothing leading-edge. Every one of those points would make any state just a little easier to run. .
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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2008, 09:28:08 AM »

I knew Palin's voice reminded me of someone:

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« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2008, 11:58:39 AM »

McCain's only legitimate complaint of Obama was his lack of experience, and yet, McCain goes and destroys his only argument by putting someone with so little experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.  This mistake erases the experience argument, because Palin's is lacking more than Obama, and also focuses on the issue of McCain's age, 72, which is old.  It also focuses on McCain's health issues, his multiple bouts of skin cancer and other problems.  No one on the McCain campaign can seriously discuss experience as an issue with Palin on the ticket. 

This doesn't even get into the heavy baggage Palin is bringing to the "Maverick"  I have compiled a quick list of problems:
Palin laughing as a rival is called a cancer and a b***h: 
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AIP - Alaska Indepence Party - a radical seperast political party calling for the emancipation of Alaska, Palin was a convention speaker in 1994 and recorded a message for their 2008 convention.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/members-of-frin.html
And hubby Todd was a registered member until 2002  http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/todd_palin_was_registered_memb.php
Can you imagine the three-ring circus if someone on the Obama ticket was associated with a secessionist party?  But it's A-ok if it is a Republican, because of patriotism.  To the country of Alaska.

Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere - http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=09&year=2008&base_name=the_metaphysics_of_post_headli


The whole Trooper-Gate fiasco, including
She will go under oath to testify about Trooper-Gate. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palin_likely_to_testify_soon_u.php
And she is already lawyered up for Trooper gate - http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8933043


Sarah Palin thinks that the founding fathers said the Pledge of Allegiance. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2008/sep/01/palin?gusrc=rss&feed=global
Maybe the founding fathers of Alaska.


$27 million in Earmarks for 6700 people - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090103148.html?hpid=topnews


Book banner and threatened to fire librarian for not banning books - http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837918,00.html
Actually fired the police chief because he didn't support her politically - http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/510219.html


maverick reformer Sarah Palin ran incredibly corrupt indicted-Senator Ted Stevensí corporate fund-raising 527
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/09/palin_ran_ted_stevens_527.php

Palin has said in an interview she doesn't know what the VP even does.


Her foreign policy experience is "Alaska is close to Russia" <-- actual argument said in support of Palin  http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/31/cindy-mccain-touts-palins-experience-the-pta-and-proximity-to-russia/
Her vast military experience as head of the Alaskan National Guard <-- another actual argument in support of Palin.  http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/08/commanding-the.html

General in charge says "no way" http://www.cnbc.com/id/26486269/for/cnbc 


Here is Palin praising Obama's energy policy (the one certian people keep claiming doesn't exist or is just tire inflating)  http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:wbCGTUeD1r0J:www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php%3Fid%3D1384+%22question+the+means+to+pay+for+Obama%E2%80%99s+proposed+rebate%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&client=safari
Note that it is cached, because the actual press release got dumped from the site after she was VP picked!


Palin was interviewed for the first time ONE DAY before she was chosen:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews
Where was the careful planning?

Palin is a gimmick choice, both a pitiful attempt to snag angry Hillary supporters (I'm sure all 14 of them will totally help McCain) and a social conservative forced on the McCain ticket to appease fundamentalist elements of the Republican party.  She brings nothing to the ticket but trouble, and the best thing she can do is resign now, because otherwise she's giving Obama a greater victory.   If the GOP was desperate for a woman, they could have picked the experienced and good candidate Olympia Snowe.  Oh, wait, she's not a social conservative, and the religious right would go nutso.  How about Christine Todd Whitman?  Oh, her attacks on the Bush administration mean she's out.  So bring on the Alaskan separatist!

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2008, 12:32:53 PM »

Also of note is that McCain could have picked 17 other Republican Governors who had more experience (out of 22) in several areas.  I think that lends more support that she was chosen to A. rally the ultra religious conservatives who were rather luke-warm to McCain and B. to try to get some of the angry Hillary votes; either way, it's a gimmick and I know several women (of both political sides) who found that offensive.

But then again, if he "really" wanted the evangelical vote locked up, you'd think he'd have chosen Huckabee.  Perhaps they were trying for both of those birds with one stone.
Personally, I figured McCain would have picked a VP who brought more weight to the Economic position <shrugs>. 

For more on those more qualified governors: http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Also of note, Obama also had (approx) 8 years in the State Senate of Illinois before his current position as well as his admirable education and experience related there.  As far as Executive experience goes, Palin has more than both McCain and Obama if you want to get technical, but how will "that" experience running a small village (and then after running a State with less population than the small city in which I live) come in to play regarding our faltering economy?

Obama:
B.A in political science from Columbia University, with a specialization in international relations
J.D. in Law from Hardvard, graduated magna cum laude; President of the Harvard Law Review
12 years (92-04) teaching constitutional law
7 years State Senator: sponsored more than 800 bills
4 years Senator for Illinos, a state with 12.8 million people

Palin:
Bachelor's in journalism from University of Idaho
4 years Wasilla City Council (8000 people)
6 years Wasilla mayor (8000 people)
1 year "Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission"
20 months governor of a state with 660,000 people

In summary of my opinion: The Palin selection was a total pandering gimmick; McCain should have picked Romney or Huckabee.

Edited to Add: Not sure about the credibility of just one news source but still it's interesting.  Here is an ABC article on McCain's last minute VP pick being forced due to threats of an evangelical vote: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/03/2353903.htm

Apparently, the Maverick originally wanted Indie Rocker Joe but had to cave.  Great leadership demonstration there John!
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« Reply #23 on: September 03, 2008, 12:39:30 PM »

I centainly don't consider the Alaska Independence Party to be as radical as others seem to. Let's face it, HUGE spreads of land are FEDERAL land in Alaska, and the vast majority of the people that have a say in what happens with it have never and will never visit it. People in FLORIDA have a say in where snowmachines are allowed and not allowed to go. Most people CAN'T understand, that since Alaska is a STATE, every Joe in the US gets to make many of our decisions FOR us, ,, but, , look around at how many US companies won't ship to Alaska or Hawaii, , even when the BUYER pays actual shipping, , all the while plastering an American flag all over their web page. We have FEDERAL FISH AND WILDLIFE officers that go around and , , ,well ,, , EVERY time I've heard of them doing ANYTHING, , it had nothing top do with the land they are supposed to be patroling. FFS one keeps giving my kid a bunch of crap for riding his quad on the road on his way to the trail (a trail on STATE land), , despite the fact the STATE TROOPERS say as long as the kid is wearing protective gear, only on the road to get from point A to point B, and riding safely, it's OK. They let those iduiots carry GUNS , ,and for WHAT?

You also have gotten into a bunch of issues that have nothing to do with you. Unless you live in Alaska, you really don't don't know or have a say in many of those issues. No matter if YOU agree with it or not, OUR state says she was within her rights to fire the police chief. That is REALLY an issue that is not any or your business. That might be why so many people are FOR Alaskan Independence. "She has already lawyered up for Troopergate", ,, Yes, , she's very smart there. .

What people can't understand, is a large number of Alaskans do NOT want to be a part of the United States, since there is quite a bit a strife that goes along with that. People complain about the existence of the Alaskan Independence Party for no real reason , and it sounds a bit like a temper tantrum when they do. It's typical U.S. ramming crap down everyone's throat that Alaskans are often trying to avoid, just like denouncing the AIP is them trying to ram THEMSELVES down out throats.
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« Reply #24 on: September 03, 2008, 01:00:22 PM »

Secessionist Alaska need to combine with the 'Conch Republic' movement in the Florida Keys to form an independent nation which would have the U.S. covered from top to bottom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_Republic



For the record: my family, being originally from Winston County, Alabama (aka The Free State of Winston and Republic of Winston), has a record of of bailing out of the gov'mint. When Alabama seceded from the U.S., Winston County seceded from Alabama!

True story!

Go to Haleyville and see the annual play about it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Winston



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« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2008, 01:06:35 PM »

I find it very interesting how so many people think secession is a Very Bad Thing.  There is no provision in the US Constitution requiring a certain number of states, or that once a state joins the Union (Article IV Section 3) that it must remain so forever.

In fact, the Constitution's silence on secession is very important ... because of that pesky little combination of the 9th and 10th Amendments.  In other words, if the Federal Document does not EXPLICITLY give a power to the Federal Government, it is up to the State's (or the people).  Seems to me that secession would be included in this doctrine.

Ghouk, the point you make transcends just Alaska...we have California deciding what text books are appropriate for the whole nation, we have New Yorkers paying for roads (that go nowhere) in South Carolina, etc.  You see the effect of the marriage to federalism on this site all the time with those complaints about communities choosing to outlaw profanity, strip bars or some such.

We are NOT a "One Size Fits All" country and I don't believe we were ever even meant to be.  Imagine for a moment what of our social problems would go away, or at least be greatly reduced, if each community were left to govern itself as it sees fit, without all the interference from the Feds.

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« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2008, 01:11:51 PM »

The thing of it is, if a Democrat running for this high of an office were part of any independence group as such, we'd be hearing "traitor" and hearing about all sorts of attacks on their patriotism, now wouldn't we?  Could you imagine if Obama had been a member of some similar group? 
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« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2008, 01:22:29 PM »

We had a debate about secession from 1861-1865.  The answer was "No".

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« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2008, 02:58:34 PM »

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We are NOT a "One Size Fits All" country and I don't believe we were ever even meant to be.  Imagine for a moment what of our social problems would go away, or at least be greatly reduced, if each community were left to govern itself as it sees fit, without all the interference from the Feds.

Gotta agree with you there, yet some don't see it like that. I've heard people complain about the fact that many villages in Alaska are dry, as if they have a say one way or another. I say live in one for a winter or two and see why, but people won't CONDESCEND to that, , they'll just complain from a distance, and THEN, , act surprised and offended when someone says "I don't want YOU making decisions for ME".

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We had a debate about secession from 1861-1865.  The answer was "No".

So you have decided that a 140+ year old answer is the only answer, , and no further debate is necessissary?
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« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2008, 03:24:02 PM »

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We had a debate about secession from 1861-1865.  The answer was "No".
So you have decided that a 140+ year old answer is the only answer, , and no further debate is necessissary?

A lot of religious people seem content to stick to answers a lot older than that. *rimshot*

Btw, that wasn't a political statement so I'm still not getting into political debates. However, as far as the stuff that Tars and Canary brought up before, with Palin now involved in the race for a national office, everything she's had a hand in politically is no longer the business of just Alaskans, but is now open for scrutiny by the entire country since McCain wants her to be the second-in-command. Not technically a political statement so much as a... uhm... whatever that term is that I can't think of right now... bah, I'm gonna go back to getting all my news from John Stewart and Steven Colbert. Lookingup
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