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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2008, 11:21:17 AM »

Palin has yet to speak to the media, which is pretty odd for an active candidate.

Well, except for that one interview where she professed she doesn't know what a VP does... BounceGiggle
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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2008, 11:29:52 AM »

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Hell she's a real person, not some self appointed 'celeb-u-tard'. She could be the mom next door, and lady down the street, she is someone we all know and can relate too.

You're buying into the exact image they're trying to portray her as, , I for one don't believe it.
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« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2008, 11:35:53 AM »

Actually, our acquisition of Alaska from Russia in 1869 was not motivated by our desire for oil . . . . TeddyR

Thank You. To many people don't know the difference between when Alaska was ACQUIRED, , and when it because a STATE. These are often the same people complaining about Alaskans that are for succession.
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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2008, 08:33:51 PM »

Well, except for that one interview where she professed she doesn't know what a VP does...

She said that before she accepted any offer to run for VP, she'd want to know what specific duties McCain would expect of her, since this varies quite a bit from one administration to another. Some candidates just want their running mate to deliver their home state then attend funerals for four years. She didn't want to bother running for VP just for that. The clip was cut to sound like "...don't even know what the duties of the office would be...". Maybe it wasn't even intentional, they're just in such a habit of butchering everything into little meaningless three second clips.
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« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2008, 08:36:37 PM »

That should be "an unbiased."   TeddyR  I said it was interesting, I didn't say it was unbiased.  Y'know, CHEEZEE, the word "liberal" shouldn't be bandied about like an obscenity, such as, well, "community organizer."   BounceGiggle Smile

Some liberals give others a bad name, but after watching these self proclaimed liberals acting a fool the the GOP convention, protesting, rioting, and the like ... it is an obscenity that voice their opposition in a civilized manner.

You're buying into the exact image they're trying to portray her as, , I for one don't believe it.

Enlighten me, I have no way of knowing her other than what I see, she appears to have drive, goals, a plan and someone you don't want to cross ... like many of the soccer moms I know. They can be really nice and equally a really nasty too which is perhaps why she gets stuff done.

All I know is we have a worthless corrupt Democrat governor here in KY which beat a worthless corrupt Republican Governor. I'd like to have one that could get stuff done, regardless of party.   
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« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2008, 08:57:19 PM »

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Enlighten me, I have no way of knowing her other than what I see, she appears to have drive, goals, a plan and someone you don't want to cross ... like many of the soccer moms I know. They can be really nice and equally a really nasty too which is perhaps why she gets stuff done.

You listen to both sides, , not just her supporters. . .
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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2008, 09:45:16 PM »

All I know is we have a worthless corrupt Democrat governor here in KY which beat a worthless corrupt Republican Governor. I'd like to have one that could get stuff done, regardless of party.   

You say that and then berate those that consider themselves "liberals"?  I have the feeling you wouldn't be happy if there was a non-corrupt liberal in office.

Just saying.....
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2008, 09:01:06 AM »

All I know is we have a worthless corrupt Democrat governor here in KY which beat a worthless corrupt Republican Governor. I'd like to have one that could get stuff done, regardless of party.   

You say that and then berate those that consider themselves "liberals"?  I have the feeling you wouldn't be happy if there was a non-corrupt liberal in office.

Just saying.....

All I've heard from liberals around here is tax and spend, tax and spend, so you're right I wouldn't be happy with that. corrupt or not. The term liberalism is edging dangerously close to socialism in many attitudes. 

That's all I've heard from Obama is tax, tax, tax, and spend, spend, spend, yet some how he's going to cut 95% of the peoples taxes and increase spending and pay off the debt he truly is the messiah.  Lookingup

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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2008, 05:57:34 PM »



All I've heard from liberals around here is tax and spend, tax and spend, so you're right I wouldn't be happy with that. corrupt or not. The term liberalism is edging dangerously close to socialism in many attitudes. 


Would that be as close as some of us feel conservatism is starting to sound like fascism?


You're deviating from the party line.  According to McCain and company only liberals are angry.  You sound pretty angry to me there Cheeze and you did say you were an angry white guy.

You should chill, no matter which of these guys wins the world ain't coming to an end. 

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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2008, 07:42:20 PM »

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All I've heard from liberals around here is tax and spend, tax and spend

Politicians want your money to fund their pet projects.  Period.  It doesn't matter what party or political bent they claim.
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2008, 08:05:12 PM »

Raising taxes is necessary to bring the defecit under control.

Before you counter-argue, read this review of the recent documentary I.O.U.S.A.

Like Ebert says, we have to bite the bullet and pay higher taxes whether we want to or not.
It's the only way to get our country out of debt.



Personally, I abhor the choice of Palin as VP.
Ghouck had it right when he said, "You're buying into the exact image they're trying to portray her as..."
This election might as well be a chess game to the McCain camp.  And he's using Palin as a pawn.
The sad thing is that there are a lot of mindless sheep out there who will fall for all of it.

I am a staunch Obama supporter.  I caucused for him in January here at the Iowa Caucuses and I will vote for him in November.

Please be aware that I will not get into a political flame war.  I've stated my opinion.
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2008, 09:55:47 PM »

All I know is we have a worthless corrupt Democrat governor here in KY which beat a worthless corrupt Republican Governor. I'd like to have one that could get stuff done, regardless of party.   

You say that and then berate those that consider themselves "liberals"?  I have the feeling you wouldn't be happy if there was a non-corrupt liberal in office...
All I've heard from liberals around here is tax and spend, tax and spend, so you're right I wouldn't be happy with that. corrupt or not. The term liberalism is edging dangerously close to socialism in many attitudes. 
That's all I've heard from Obama is tax, tax, tax, and spend, spend, spend, yet some how he's going to cut 95% of the peoples taxes and increase spending and pay off the debt he truly is the messiah.  Lookingup
"Liberals around here...?"  Y'mean those that haven't yet been strung up?  Obama's plan is to increase tax for the wealthier segment of society... and reduce for the majority, y'know, us poorer folk. 
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« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2008, 11:15:12 PM »

"Liberals around here...?"  Y'mean those that haven't yet been strung up?  Obama's plan is to increase tax for the wealthier segment of society... and reduce for the majority, y'know, us poorer folk. 

How many poor people have you worked for? I'm guessing zero ... poor people don't provide jobs.

You take the "rich" people money the less people they hire, the less toys they buy and eating out they do, the less money they spend and the less people are needed to supply the services they consume and unemployment goes up.
Some of the so called RICH are small business owner, self proprietorships that file a single 1040, they might make over $250K but they aren't rich. Obama doesn't factor this, the mom and pop operation that barely get by but make over $250K but reinvest $225K of that money back into the business. These people will be slammed and likely will have to close, thus putting their employees in the soup line. 

Obama also want to raise corporate taxes, the US already has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, this is why those companies relocate to cheaper countries taking the jobs with them, and hurting or closing all the support business that clean the offices, make deliveries, fill vending machines, wash uniforms, supplies materials, tools and other services and people wonder why some many companies leave their town to go to China and Mexico. And when a major employer closes there is a tickle down effect that effect dozens upon dozens of other business.

Why punish people for making money and achieving the American dream just to take it from them to give it those that haven't put in the effort to achieve it? Don't tell me they have, anyone can make it IF THEY TRY! There is NO WAY he can reduce taxes and fulfill all the promises he has made, he has made well over a trillion dollars a year in promises. Or what I'd like to call pipe dreams.
 
The Bush taxes cut don't JUST effect the so called rich, they effect everyone. The average middle class family pays $2800 less in taxes under the plan, Obama wants to resend them and then throw you a bone of a $1000 tax cut, which means you're paying $1800 more in taxes it's the old bait and switch ... but today he's flip flopped on that and said he wouldn't resend them do to the "recession" well we're not in a recession as a recession is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth and we haven't even had one, more left wing propaganda. Well we haven't had any since the Clinton administration ... fact look it up.

I swear people don't seem to understand Business 101, the more money pumped into the economy the more growth, the less money the less growth. You can not grow government and spend like a drunken monkey creating a nanny state and maintain growth. You have to have some taxes, but kind of like WalMart, sell for less and make billions, tax less and make trillions. The more tax free money people have, the more they have to spend that is taxes, it's a no brainer that Obama and many on the left just don't seem to get.

It's like minimum wage, raising minimum wage does nothing. It's a empty feel good for the "down trodden" you raise minimum wage the store raises prices to make it up (or fire people), the minimum wage worker might maintain their buying power but for those making above minimum wage you go back 2 spaces. Frankly I wouldn't have any minimum wage at all, and let the market work it out. All a minimum wage does is drive up the cost of living for everyone and Obama is spouting off about $9.50/hr minimum wage ... well just how many damn Happy Meals are you going to buy when they're $10 each? 

Good grief, know cause and effect.
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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2008, 11:15:20 AM »

"Liberals around here...?"  Y'mean those that haven't yet been strung up?  Obama's plan is to increase tax for the wealthier segment of society... and reduce for the majority, y'know, us poorer folk.
How many poor people have you worked for? I'm guessing zero ... poor people don't provide jobs. 
You take the "rich" people money the less people they hire, the less toys they buy and eating out they do, the less money they spend and the less people are needed to supply the services they consume and unemployment goes up.
Some of the so called RICH are small business owner, self proprietorships that file a single 1040, they might make over $250K but they aren't rich. Obama doesn't factor this, the mom and pop operation that barely get by but make over $250K but reinvest $225K of that money back into the business. These people will be slammed and likely will have to close, thus putting their employees in the soup line. 
Obama also want to raise corporate taxes, the US already has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world, this is why those companies relocate to cheaper countries taking the jobs with them, and hurting or closing all the support business that clean the offices, make deliveries, fill vending machines, wash uniforms, supplies materials, tools and other services and people wonder why some many companies leave their town to go to China and Mexico. And when a major employer closes there is a tickle down effect that effect dozens upon dozens of other business. 
Why punish people for making money and achieving the American dream just to take it from them to give it those that haven't put in the effort to achieve it? Don't tell me they have, anyone can make it IF THEY TRY! There is NO WAY he can reduce taxes and fulfill all the promises he has made, he has made well over a trillion dollars a year in promises. Or what I'd like to call pipe dreams.   
The Bush taxes cut don't JUST effect the so called rich, they effect everyone. The average middle class family pays $2800 less in taxes under the plan, Obama wants to resend them and then throw you a bone of a $1000 tax cut, which means you're paying $1800 more in taxes it's the old bait and switch ... but today he's flip flopped on that and said he wouldn't resend them do to the "recession" well we're not in a recession as a recession is 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth and we haven't even had one, more left wing propaganda. Well we haven't had any since the Clinton administration ... fact look it up.   
I swear people don't seem to understand Business 101, the more money pumped into the economy the more growth, the less money the less growth. You can not grow government and spend like a drunken monkey creating a nanny state and maintain growth. You have to have some taxes, but kind of like WalMart, sell for less and make billions, tax less and make trillions. The more tax free money people have, the more they have to spend that is taxes, it's a no brainer that Obama and many on the left just don't seem to get. 
It's like minimum wage, raising minimum wage does nothing. It's a empty feel good for the "down trodden" you raise minimum wage the store raises prices to make it up (or fire people), the minimum wage worker might maintain their buying power but for those making above minimum wage you go back 2 spaces. Frankly I wouldn't have any minimum wage at all, and let the market work it out. All a minimum wage does is drive up the cost of living for everyone and Obama is spouting off about $9.50/hr minimum wage ... well just how many damn Happy Meals are you going to buy when they're $10 each?  
Good grief, know cause and effect.
Who are you babbling at?   I didn't argue any of those point with you.  "Good grief" is right! 
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« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2008, 12:27:23 PM »

That's because the "liberal" he's parroting from right-wing love radio talk is nothing more than a Phantom Menace; they don't actually exist...or if you find one, they don't statistically represent the norm (thus the Fallacy of Equivocation).

John Ridley's entry on the Huffington Post is a gem:

Up in the Twin Cities area folks are speaking a new language. Or, should I
say Palinguage. It sounds sorta familiar because it's Latin based. But
different from the plain English we're used to speaking, in Palinguage
recognizable words take on new meanings. Won't you take a moment to learn
some Plainguage so you can talk like a hypocritical conservative?

REPEAT THE FOLLOWING:

If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified
candidates you're a "token hire." If you're a conservative and you're
selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."

If you live in an Urban area and you get a girl pregnant you're a "baby
daddy." If you're the same in Alaska you're a "teen father." (Actually,
according to your own MySpace page you're an F'n redneck that don't want any
kids, but that's too long a phrase for the evil liberal media to take out of
context and flog morning noon and night).

Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America. White teen pregnancies?
A "blessed event."

If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic." Grow up in Alaska eating
mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story." Similarly, if you
name you kid Barack you're "unpatriotic." Name your kid Track, you're
"colorful."

If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the
individual you're "reckless." A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a
"maverick."

If you say that for the "first time in my adult lifetime I'm really proud of
my country" it makes you "unfit" to be First Lady. If you are a registered
member of a fringe political group that advocates secession that makes you
"First Dude."

A DUI from twenty years ago is "old news." A speech given without proper
citation from twenty years ago is "relevant information."

And, finally, if you're a man and you decide to run for office despite your
wife's recurrence of cancer you're a "questionable spouse." If you're a
woman and you decide to run for office despite having five kids including a
newborn… Well, we don't know what that is 'cause THAT'S NOT A FAIR
QUESTION TO ASK.

They also forgot one we discussed yesterday:

If you're a White Republican and went from rags to riches and got into all
Ivy League schools, you're a "brilliant," "driven," "over-achiever" and
"living the American Dream." If your're a Black Democrat who did the same
thing, you're an "uppity" "elitist" and clearly an "affirmative action
recipient."



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