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« on: November 07, 2008, 10:09:24 AM »

Sorry to get all political,
But I'd figured I'd ask you instead of going over to some politics forum, since you seem to be more in touch with the status-quo with your ideas, and don't have some strong agenda.

So would it be too late?
There are Social-Democrats in the Democratic Party, like Bernie Sanders. But he's not a formal Democrat and runs as Independent; he just caucuses with them, and counted as one for committee assignments. So, they're not a strong faction, but compared with the Liberal-Democrats, Social-Democrats can be distinguished by principles. Then there's Ralph Nader and the Green Party; Nader is more of a consumer watch-dog, and the Greens have a strong environmentalist agenda and attract mostly college students.
The Greens could also hinder their membership simply because the Democratic Party is adopting some of their environmental platform, yet, the status quo thinks that the infrastucture can't be hurridly altered to meet Green Party environmental concerns.

Also, would it just be taken over by Trotskyists, and end up a flash in the pan?

Would Americans be distrustful of Social-Democracy?
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 02:29:01 PM »

That's a good question.

First off, yes, Americans would be distrustful. Just look at how third party movements are seen now.

Politically the United States is a closed shop. The two dominant parties are in control and aren't going anywhere. I don't think many people know about the deal making between Republicans and Democrats in which regions and offices are literally doled out between them in a "we won't strongly oppose you in this race, you don't strongly oppose us in that race" style and the extent to which these entities control funding, the creation of Congressional districts, rules on elections, the actual polling and vote counting on election days, just about everything. Not only would a nascent third party face  unwelcoming distrust among registered voters but the stranglehold of the big two parties in the US would make the successful launching of this party difficult to the point of near impossibility.

Unless things change.

Also, is there a large enough interest among voters who hold viewpoints in keeping with a Social Democrat/Labour platform? I don't know that there is. A new party that arose from the left would also hamstring the Democratic Party and empower the forces of the right, the very faction a far left party would rather see weakened in the first place. So, to answer your interesting question, no, I don't think at this time and for the foreseeable future (whatever that even means anymore) a Labour-esque Party would be relevant in the USA.

But then again, in 2004 who would have predicted the outcome of the 2008 Presidential election? Not many. Which goes to show anything's possible.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 04:29:33 PM »

As ER correctly points out, the obstacles to forming a third party are so great that it's almost impossible.  Also, I agree that there's not much public need/support for a party to the left of the Democrats.

I do think that the one constituency that is well enough organized and has a large enough base of support to successfully launch a third party are the evangelicals.  It would be an interesting development, as a lot of Republicans resent the power this constituency has within the party. 

I'd be extremely delighted if Americans had the chance to vote for the lesser of at least three evils.  A permanent two-party monopoly is not what the Founders had in mind when they stressed the importance of multiplying factions so no one political group could ever hold too much power.     
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