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« on: March 06, 2009, 10:36:58 AM »

Remember the guy who decapitated that kid on the bus last year?   He's found not guilty due to mental illness.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/canada.bus.beheading/?iref=mpstoryview
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 05:41:40 PM »

The guy was obviously nuts, but his victim is just as dead.

I think, in a way, the world was a more merciful place when mad dogs like that were simply put down, quickly and painlessly.

If he ever recovers his mental facilities, he will have to live his whole life with the guilt of what he did.  If he doesn't, he'll be fed, housed, and medicated at taxpayer expense for years to come.

Hang him and let the Almighty be the Judge.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 05:58:10 PM »

The title of this thread made me think it was sexual in nature.   TongueOut
I need to get my mind out of the gutter.  I'm getting to be almost as bad as Menard!

I read in detail about what that guy did to that passenger.
It was some sick s**t.  Absolutely horrifying.  Imagine the most grisly depraved scene in a movie that you've seen and times it by ten.  Only this was real life.

Here's an excerpt of what happened:

"Witnesses had observed the suspect stabbing and cutting McLean's body, and carrying McLean's severed head.

By 9:00 p.m., police were in a standoff with the suspect and had summoned special negotiators and a heavily-armed tactical unit. The suspect taunted police, alternately pacing the length of the bus and cutting and defiling the corpse. Police officers then observed Li eating parts of the body. Meanwhile, the stranded passengers were transported from the scene to be interviewed at the Brandon RCMP detachment. RCMP officers reportedly heard Li say, "I have to stay on the bus forever."

On July 31, 2008 at 1:30 a.m., the suspect attempted to escape from the bus by breaking through a window. He was tasered twice, handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser. Parts of the victim's body, placed in plastic bags, were retrieved from the bus, while his ear, nose and tongue were found in Li's pockets. The victim's eyes and a part of his heart were never recovered and are presumed to be eaten by the accused."



I agree with Indiana, put him down like a dog.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 09:47:23 PM »

Canada does not have capital punishment.   As a nation we are unwilling to take the chance that anyone be executed who is not actually guilty of the crime. The number of persons subsequently found to be wrongly convicted of murder in this country is continually publicised.   Even one is too many.

Emotionally: yes, many of us would like to see 'mad dogs' permanently eliminated. 

If this person was found fit for trial, and found guilty, he would have been released from prison in a very few years.

As it is, he is very likely to spend the rest of his days in a high-security institution.  Yes: at taxpayer expense.  But as a psych case he will be 'put away' (and the public consequently protected from his possible future actions) for much longer than if he had been held legally accountable for his actions that night on the bus.

So under our system: he would have got "off" if he had gone to trial.



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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 10:42:19 PM »

Personally I have always favored the guilty but insane plea. It's like not guilty by reason of insanity but the person has to serve a prison sentence after they spend time in a state hospital.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2009, 09:16:36 PM »

More evidence for my theory: Canada = 1973. The U.S. is the only country where it's 2009. Everywhere else is either the seventies, Medieval times, the stone age, or (in parts of Asia) the future. Canada's right in the middle of that "Duuude, let's not be all uptight and punish murderers" stage.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2009, 07:53:24 PM »

As it is, he is very likely to spend the rest of his days in a high-security institution.  Yes: at taxpayer expense.  But as a psych case he will be 'put away' (and the public consequently protected from his possible future actions) for much longer than if he had been held legally accountable for his actions that night on the bus.

So under our system: he would have got "off" if he had gone to trial.

Exactly right. Any of the recent stories I've read suggest that following a review in June, he's most likely going to be locked up in an institution for long-term treatment, and his progress will be assessed annually. Not criminally responsible does not mean that he's not considered dangerous or that he's going to "get off." It just means he was so messed up at the time, he didn't know right from wrong, and if you've read the shrink's report, he couldn't tell real from imaginary, much less right from wrong.

In the end, the only difference between "not criminally responsible" and "guilty of murder" is where they send him and what they do with him. Nobody's planning on letting him go.

Really, what is gained by sending him to prison? Prisons hold some very sick and violent people, but they're not a place for the truly insane. His illness won't get the same quality of treatment, and they're not equipped to deal with him. What if he's a danger to the other inmates, or they become a danger to him? Is he going to be housed separately from everybody else at taxpayers' expense?

Criminals belong in jail. The mentally ill, if they're dangerous, should go to someplace that is equipped to handle them. It's fine to say kill him and be done with it, but it's a moot point. The law doesn't allow it, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

Really, I'm amazed at the reaction to this. My concern would be public safety. Is he locked up? Is he medicated? Is the public being protected? From what I've read so far, the answer is yes. Whether he is handed a murder conviction just isn't that important. Declare him dangerous and send him to an institution where he'll be locked up just as securely, and people will actually work on making him less dangerous. That, to me, seems like it best serves the public interest.

But people have this notion that if he isn't convicted of murder, he's somehow getting away with it. That's just bulls**t. Something will be done with him either way. And whether or not we have this victory in principle of being able to call him a convicted murderer instead of just a killer, the important thing is that he is dealt with appropriately and the public is protected.
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