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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2009, 11:34:12 PM »

Hey all. I've seen it twice. I went opening day to continue a tradition which goes back to the first Star Trek film for me, seeing a Star Trek film on opening day. 11  for 11 on that now. Being a fan of the Original series which I literally grew up watching, (started with watching reruns of TOS and the animated series as a small child) I loved the film. I felt the actor that plays McCoy could pass off as DeForest Kelly's son. When the major key event of the film (which I am not going to say what it is cause it will mess up the movie's biggest surprise by doing so) happen, I was shocked. Never would I have ever guessed that would of happened in a million years.
Also the reason Scotty ended up with the chief engineer position didn't happen until after Kirk was officially named Captain by Starfleet. Until then, he was just another engineer on board. Also was happy to see the "red shirt" rule still applied. When Kirk, Sulu, and Lt. Redsuit were on the away team, who didn't go, "yep, we know who's dead here." Also Kirk making out with a green chick in the Academy backstory had me rolling in the floor. Was a great fan in joke added in the film.
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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2009, 07:52:19 AM »

I thought it was very close to greatness. The acting was very good, a decent compromise between mythos, parody and effectiveness, the action had my heart pumping faster and the plot was a serviceable remix of every ST plot we've had so far.

And then there's Leonard Nimoy. This is the kind of homage Spock deserved from the very beginning, but the franchise chose to focus on Kirk instead. His appearence in the ice planet was wonderful, and his final reading of the ST opening speech almost had me in tears.

On the minus side, J. J. Abrams should stop filming every movie as an "Alias" episode. Yes, the hanheld camera makes for a livelier camerawork, but at the expense of jumpy action scenes and lackluster framing. The rest of the ST films so far are too static, I can see that, but there was no need to jump to the opposite philosophy. 
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2009, 09:19:11 AM »

I was reading an entertainment magazine this weekend that says Chris Pine (Kirk) is signed on for two more movies, so there are definitely sequels on the drawing board. Bring 'em on!

One thing I loved about the writing is that they tried to explain the old-fashioned swashbuckling of Kirk (a product of the 60s and the old adventure movie/TV traditions this show had to work within) and yet also gave us a much more plausible Starfleet captain character in Christopher Pike. I love how Pike is in command in a crisis, instantly absorbing and reacting to new information, tossing off orders, making decisions, unquestionably the commander. And the old Kirk traits from the TV show, always going after the girl, always going personally on landing parties, getting personally into fist fights... that's because he's a bad boy and a rule breaker who doesn't quite fit the Starfleet mold.

Well done, writers.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2009, 09:43:18 AM »

My only two big gripes are the bridge by Playschool and how they copped out on the engineering sets by dressing up some old factory.  Sorry, but the part with Scottie in the water pipes is lamer than when he conked his head on a beam in Star Trek V.

The actors all did well.  As far as the chronology, it's an all new one.  They had to find a way to get around the canon issues and did so by creating a whole new timeline.

This is the movie where they had to throw together the characters, so I'll be waiting to see if they get it right in the sequel.


If anyone is interested in what set Nero on his rampage, they produced a four part comic called Countdown which is now in trade paper back form. 
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2009, 10:32:37 AM »

I am a pretty hard core TOS fan.  I started watching the show in the early 70s as a 3-4 year old and haven't ever stopped.  That I said I liked the movie a lot with only a few quibbles.

I am not an action movie fan.  If I see 1 action movie a year that is a lot for me; I tend to get bored during action movies and lose interest in whether or not Jason Bourne or John McClain or whomever gets away or not.  That said, I never lost interest in this movie and the 2 hours flew by.  


I thought the person playing McCoy was best (I liked all the actors!) cast.  Not only did he looked like DeForrest Kelley, but he had exactly the right crotchediness and when he said, "I'm a doctor not a physicist" that whole audience erupted.  I thought the woman playing Uhura was a knockout, very well done there too.  As others have said, the guy playing a young Spock looked exactly right and did a great job with the role.  Someone her complained about Chekov not looking right (the curly hair int he movie versus, what my brothers maliciously called "the inverted buttercup" when I was a kid) was, for me no loss.  Walter Koenig was chosen for the part because he looked like Davie Jones of the Monkees, so little reason to hold on to that look.  Oh and the guy playing Sarek was excellent too with very big shoes to fill.  The original Sarek - Mark Leonard - was twice a guest star on TOS and was my favorite in hisrole as the Romulan commander in Balance of Terror.

I thought the scenes on Vulcan were really cool.  Not only the buildings, but the school where the children are taught in those bowls was an inventive idea.

I thought the fight scene between Kirk and Spock - when he has finally been provoked by Kirk (not unlike This Side of Paradise) - was really good.  I liked how that was shot and how rapid Spock's movements were and how ferocious he was once angered.  In the TOS, as tough as he was supposed to be, Leonard Nimoy never looked that formidable.

I kind of wished that they hadn't changed the timeline, but I realize that they had to do that to get all the characters assembled quickly.  I am looking forward to the next one and considered going bac to see this again this past weekend.  

Now for the quibbles:

I wish Scotty hadn't been made into the court jester.  That was never his character and I wish they'd stayed with a more dutiful, dour Scot.

There was a truly dreadful line said by Uhura to Spock about keeping her hailing frequencies open.  I groaned "Jesus Christ" audibly when she said it.  Maybe this was meant as a throwback to some of TOS's truly cringe-inducing dialogue**, but if not whoever wrote that should be more heavily edited in the future.

Why did they use the planet Delta Vega as the place for Kirk to be stranded?  In TOS Delta Vega, in the episode Where No Man Has Gone Before, is where they try to strand Gary Mitchell and is supposed to be a remote planet with no one on it, not Vulcan's neighbor.

Also, the whole monster scenes on Delta Vega were unnecessary and should have been cut.  Why did they need 2 monsters?  Did anyone think Kirk wouldn't get away?  And then once he finds Spock they stroll to the station.  It was the one part of the movie I thought they could have shortened or cut entirely without missing anything.  



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Whom Mourns for Adonis - Kirk says to Scotty, "Plus you stiff necked thistle head you could've gotten yourself killed."

Catspaw-Lt DeSalle says, I'll bet credits to navy beans we can punch a hole it it" when they're trying to get free from the cube the ship has been imprisoned in.

Sposk's Brain - The leader of the Eymorg says, "Brain and brain, what is brain!"
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2009, 10:57:13 AM »

I wish Scotty hadn't been made into the court jester.  That was never his character and I wish they'd stayed with a more dutiful, dour Scot.

Well, I kind of liked him, but perhaps that's because one of my friends at work is a Scotsman who looks and sounds a lot like this guy. As soon as we were introduced to Scotty I turned to my wife and said "And THAT's what Bruce is like!" Not exactly a court jester, competent and brilliant but also with a wry sense of humor. But yeah, I agree you didn't see that humor side in the old Scotty, they added that.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2009, 11:42:56 AM »

Wow this was a really good, fun movie. I'm going to see it again. And after seeing that green chick Kirk was with I might start going to Trek conventions. I think I'm in love. I'm in love with Uhura too but her standards are too high. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2009, 12:41:15 PM »

I wish Scotty hadn't been made into the court jester.  That was never his character and I wish they'd stayed with a more dutiful, dour Scot.

Well, I kind of liked him, but perhaps that's because one of my friends at work is a Scotsman who looks and sounds a lot like this guy. As soon as we were introduced to Scotty I turned to my wife and said "And THAT's what Bruce is like!" Not exactly a court jester, competent and brilliant but also with a wry sense of humor. But yeah, I agree you didn't see that humor side in the old Scotty, they added that.


I think it might be because we've never seen scotty this young before.
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2009, 12:36:27 AM »

NO SPOILERS!

(To put this in perspective, I'm one of those age 40 something guys who can name all the TOS episodes.)

GREAT MOVIE FUN!! My wife and I just arrived home from the movie. The advantage TOS fans will have is you get to laugh harder at quite a few of the jokes. Monday night turned out to be an excellent choice for seeing the movie and sound was BOOMING as it should be.

Scotty was a riot, Chekov was funny, McCoy was played very well. Spock was really good and quite convincing. I began to accept Kirk more as the movie progressed. There were moments when the camera angle was just right and Kirk had certain expressions that YES, he actually LOOKS LIKE a young Shatner Kirk for a few seconds several times during the movie.You get to see some of the chemistry
of their relationships developing together as a team.

I know were going to watch this again and again. My wife told me she used to PLAN her schedule around when TOS was on TV and saw all the episodes with her Mom.  Awwwwwww, I found out my wonder wifie has a little Trek love inside her!!!
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2009, 08:36:02 AM »

I saw it yesterday.  It's okay, but I'm predicting it will fizzle out quickly at the box-office after the initial hype and will be released on DVD before the end of the summer.
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2009, 01:58:30 PM »

I saw it yesterday.  It's okay, but I'm predicting it will fizzle out quickly at the box-office after the initial hype and will be released on DVD before the end of the summer.

It got a 42% drop on the second weekend, which from what I've seen seems about average.  Word of mouth is extremely good though, so I think it'll have some legs - though nothing like the Dark Knight.  I'm betting worldwide gross in the $600 million range.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2009, 02:22:57 PM »

I saw it yesterday.  It's okay, but I'm predicting it will fizzle out quickly at the box-office after the initial hype and will be released on DVD before the end of the summer.

It got a 42% drop on the second weekend, which from what I've seen seems about average.  Word of mouth is extremely good though, so I think it'll have some legs - though nothing like the Dark Knight.  I'm betting worldwide gross in the $600 million range.

But not because it's a good movie . . . the Trekkies will see it a hundred times each and drive up the worldwide gross.  This movie should not be mentioned in the same breath as THE DARK KNIGHT.
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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2009, 04:07:54 PM »

But not because it's a good movie . . . the Trekkies will see it a hundred times each and drive up the worldwide gross.  This movie should not be mentioned in the same breath as THE DARK KNIGHT.

I'd have to disagree. People overestimate the ticket buying power of the hardcore Trekkies. They may infest the internet, but they actually make up a very, very small percentage of ticket buyers in the big picture. If they could impact a film's success by merely seeing it multiple times, the last Trek film, 2002's Nemesis, would not have been a colossal flop.

It seems the studio has realized this as well, marketing the film to a new generation of potential fans because they know the existing fanbase is simply not enough to support a movie franchise any longer (or even a TV series).

I think that this film's success is simply because it is a good movie in the eyes of most people, though your tastes may differ. The strong word of mouth is drawing people to the theater to purchase tickets, not a tiny minority group of fans that want to see it succeed out of fanboy love.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2009, 05:48:08 PM »


I think that this film's success is simply because it is a good movie in the eyes of most people, though your tastes may differ.

The first 2/3 of the movie was very good . . . but they failed to create a memorable climax.  And it took way too long for Scotty to show up!
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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2009, 07:42:00 AM »

Actually there are a lot of Trek fans out there that don't like this movie.  I for one have mixed feelings about it.
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