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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2009, 05:00:10 PM »

He said it was extremely disgusting, and that he wouldn't want me to sit through it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 05:09:20 PM »

He said it was extremely disgusting, and that he wouldn't want me to sit through it.

As your peer, I'm also advising you not to watch it, unless your interested in perversion. It really is disgusting, and the editing is terrible. TeddyR
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2009, 11:28:56 AM »

I have not seen it and dont care for it... unless somebody talks about a scene that may peek my interest... Which I doubt because it seem that the story is about eating dog poop, sex with chickens and Divine...

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2009, 12:00:58 PM »

I have only seen one John Waters film, Hairspray. And I didn't like it.
At all.
I know it's blasphemy, but whatever. It had to be said.
Anyway, I don't plan on watching Pink flamingos. Ever.
I can take almost anything when it comes to blood and gore, but s**t eating and transvestites? No thanks.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2009, 08:09:32 PM »

I understand how you feel, vukxfiles.  There are three or four images from that movie I wish I could erase from my mind forever.  There were a few things that I liked about it (the line, "Oh, dear, someone has sent me a bowel movement" earned a chuckle), but they weren't enough to make me like the film overall.

I think what PINK FLAMINGOS is, is dada---"anti-art."  From the Wikipedia article I linked: "...everything that art stood for, Dada was to represent the opposite. Where art was concerned with traditional aesthetics, Dada ignored aesthetics. If art was to appeal to sensibilities, Dada was intended to offend. Through their rejection of traditional culture and aesthetics the Dadaists hoped to destroy traditional culture and aesthetics."  That sounds like the PINK FLAMINGOS manifesto to me.

I don't really know how I feel about the movie.  In a way, it's utter crap; in another way, I'm sort of glad that something like this exists, although one movie was enough.  Now that I've seen PINK FLAMINGOS I don't have to watch SALUGHTERED VOMIT DOLLS or anything else of that nature.  PINK FLAMINGOS won't be topped in the disgusting category, why bother?  Most importantly, I think that Waters had the right to make the film (other than the chicken scene).   

I like Waters' followup FEMALE TROUBLE better.  It was a more traditional film, and the shocking stuff was all dramatized, not real life geekery.  Still a pretty nihilistic and depressing film, though. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2009, 01:27:19 AM »

...and I was digusted. I was expecting a comedy, like John Waters' other film A Dirty Shame. I'm surprised how the hell did Pink Flamingos get past the MPAA, when it's clearly not a movie, it's a porn. After watching this, I feel like I did something bad, and fear of anyone finding out I ever watched this crap. Why would anyone even want the title of the filthiest person? Why not live a normal life like everyone else?

"Get past"?  They gave it an X, later changed to an NC-17.  They don't have a higher rating, so that's about all they can do.   Smile  If a current hard-core porn film was submitted to the MPAA, it'd face the same treatment. 

I'm just curious, how did you know enough about John Waters and such to get a hold of Pink Flamingoes, yet not know what the film is like?  It's not an easy film to find.  At least, I've never seen it in the normal local video stores.  I know enough about the content that I've never sought it out..  I'll probably see it eventually, though.  I feel like I'm destined to see it.

On another note, I think John Waters would be rather proud to be called a sicko.
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2009, 02:17:05 AM »

I like John Waters quite a bit. He's a smart, funny guy, and actually very knowledgeable about the world of film. I remember hearing some quote where he stated, "You have to have very good taste to have very bad taste." (Obviously not a direct citation.)

I highly recommend his spoken word movie "This Filthy World," where he talks about his experiences growing up and ending up making some of the most perverse movies ever made. Very entertaining.

That being said, I don't like his movies. Yes, they were made for pure shock value, and, yes, you are supposed to feel dirty and disgusted by watching them. I wouldn't go as far as to proclaim them "dada," although I can see how they can be viewed as such. I don't think Waters had anything so high class in mind. I would put them more into the category of dada's angrier younger brother, punk.

See, Waters literally made these movies on shoestring budgets with his friends. It was his version of a counter-cultural reaction to growing up gay in Baltimore, MD, in the early '70s. Dreary, I imagine, with none of the feel-goodies left over from '60s burnouts. The deliberate choice was made to be in as shockingly bad taste and disgusting as possible. It was either a weird cultural fluke or a societal zeitgeist (the two don't seem to be often separated) that catapulted his bizarre backyard experiments into a national underground phenomenon. "Pink Flamingos" was instrumental to the beginning of the rise of "midnight movies."

I gather this is one of the first of these types of movies you have been exposed to. The disgust is warranted, and not misplaced. I remember watching "Tetsuo, the Iron Man" at about the same age and being completely weirded out. It was too much for me. But you have to remember that these types of movies were extremist experiments, and they served a valuable function of expanding what films were allowed to talk about. Waters' weirdo films (and yes, they are weirdo films) paved the way for the more realist films of the '70s. Without his perverse explorations, and along with the success of the out-and-out porno "Deep Throat," we may not have seen such luminaries as Scorsese and Coppola making the movies they made.

Of course, that's endlessly debatable. You might even debate whether that was a good thing at all. But I'm glad somebody did it. I'm glad people are still doing it. Almost every release put out by Troma studios is an extension of what Waters was doing back in the early '70s. If we didn't have that anarchistic tearing down of all good taste, I think the world of film would be lessened.

But to reiterate, much as I like John Waters, I don't like watching his films. I do not think they are very good beyond the shock value. For that matter, I don't think he became much more accomplished with his later films. Sorry, John. I also think most films released by Troma are garbage. For every "Toxic Avenger" (the first, not the sequels), there are a hundred other films which are scatological garbage. At the same time, films such as the sophomoric "Faces of Death" were released, possibly the only thing that could have one-upped John Waters in bad taste.

But without Waters' guerrilla efforts, would we have ever seen the glory of such films as Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive?" Conversely, there is nothing in Waters' early films that is not now available on broadcast television in one form or another. Like I said, once you open the floodgates, both the good and the bad are released.

As a last aside, to show how much popular culture has changed since this movie has been released, I saw the "Pink Flamingos" DVD for sale at the grocery store. Food or "Pink Flamingos?" Your call.
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2009, 08:09:20 AM »

Mofo Rising and Rev. Powell....

I think you guys are giving John Waters too much credit.... Pink Flamingos is an Exploitation Film and made in 1972... This is very important to note, because we are in the time when Hyppies Smoke a lot of pot, Heavy Metal is taking shape and Andy Warhol is making films... Also and most important... Theaters were accepting adult movies... (PG, R and X has a market) therefore filmmakers were open to experiment freely with their ideas like a music maker were experimenting with music (especially since they didnt feel bound by the limits of 45's and the Radio)... So a movie like Pink Flamingo is likely to be made.

Troma has been producing films many years before "Toxic Avenger" a the only reason why the series does exist is the power of renting movies from your home (the VHS rental store).


I would give credit to Blood Feast and Night of the Living Dead for Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive" a million times before I would even suggest John Waters... actually I would believe it was Herschell Gordon Lewis movies that opened John Waters mind into making Pink Flamingos... Hmmmmm... I think I would give Herschell Gordon Lewis credit for Troma films too... (wow and I dont even think Herschell Gordon Lewis is a good director)

Dadaism as Anti-filmmaking... it would assume Plan 9 from Outter Space would be a form of Dada since the movie broke many standards in traditional filmmaking...


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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2009, 09:30:40 AM »

I (sort of) saw it many years ago with my roomate when she had a John Waters-a-thon.  We watched this movie, Desperate Living, and something else..   At one time or another before watching it she had described a lot of the scenes to me so I knew better and sat on the couch doing arts and crafts and not looking at the TV too much. 

 
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2009, 12:14:48 PM »

This is the movie that convinced me to move to Baltimore.
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« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2009, 12:28:17 PM »

Mofo Rising and Rev. Powell....

I think you guys are giving John Waters too much credit.... Pink Flamingos is an Exploitation Film and made in 1972... This is very important to note, because we are in the time when Hyppies Smoke a lot of pot, Heavy Metal is taking shape and Andy Warhol is making films... Also and most important... Theaters were accepting adult movies... (PG, R and X has a market) therefore filmmakers were open to experiment freely with their ideas like a music maker were experimenting with music (especially since they didnt feel bound by the limits of 45's and the Radio)... So a movie like Pink Flamingo is likely to be made.

Troma has been producing films many years before "Toxic Avenger" a the only reason why the series does exist is the power of renting movies from your home (the VHS rental store).


I would give credit to Blood Feast and Night of the Living Dead for Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive" a million times before I would even suggest John Waters... actually I would believe it was Herschell Gordon Lewis movies that opened John Waters mind into making Pink Flamingos... Hmmmmm... I think I would give Herschell Gordon Lewis credit for Troma films too... (wow and I dont even think Herschell Gordon Lewis is a good director)

Dadaism as Anti-filmmaking... it would assume Plan 9 from Outter Space would be a form of Dada since the movie broke many standards in traditional filmmaking...


:)




PLAN 9 is not dada, it is bulldada... meaning accidental dada.

Adn I still believe PINK FLAMINGOS meets the definition of Dada.  That's not giving Waters too much credit, because I don't give the original Dadaists much credit.  They were the originators of the shock art that's plagued us for the last century. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2009, 01:04:27 PM »

Mofo Rising and Rev. Powell....

I think you guys are giving John Waters too much credit.... Pink Flamingos is an Exploitation Film and made in 1972... This is very important to note, because we are in the time when Hyppies Smoke a lot of pot, Heavy Metal is taking shape and Andy Warhol is making films... Also and most important... Theaters were accepting adult movies... (PG, R and X has a market) therefore filmmakers were open to experiment freely with their ideas like a music maker were experimenting with music (especially since they didnt feel bound by the limits of 45's and the Radio)... So a movie like Pink Flamingo is likely to be made.

Troma has been producing films many years before "Toxic Avenger" a the only reason why the series does exist is the power of renting movies from your home (the VHS rental store).


I would give credit to Blood Feast and Night of the Living Dead for Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive" a million times before I would even suggest John Waters... actually I would believe it was Herschell Gordon Lewis movies that opened John Waters mind into making Pink Flamingos... Hmmmmm... I think I would give Herschell Gordon Lewis credit for Troma films too... (wow and I dont even think Herschell Gordon Lewis is a good director)

Dadaism as Anti-filmmaking... it would assume Plan 9 from Outter Space would be a form of Dada since the movie broke many standards in traditional filmmaking...


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PLAN 9 is not dada, it is bulldada... meaning accidental dada.

Adn I still believe PINK FLAMINGOS meets the definition of Dada.  That's not giving Waters too much credit, because I don't give the original Dadaists much credit.  They were the originators of the shock art that's plagued us for the last century. 



hehe... bulldada...I never head of bulldada before but I do agree, Ed Wood did what he "thought" was right.
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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2009, 03:45:45 PM »

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As a last aside, to show how much popular culture has changed since this movie has been released, I saw the "Pink Flamingos" DVD for sale at the grocery store. Food or "Pink Flamingos?" Your call.

That's one thing I've noticed even in my own lifetime.  Since the inception of DVD, it seems, a lot more weird and obscure films are fairly widely available.  That's a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.  I'm still amazed you saw Pink Flamingos at a grocery store, though...  The only store I've ever seen it was at a specialty shop.
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2009, 05:07:38 PM »

And as an added comment . . . I do own the anniversary addition with deleted scenes and comments about each one by John Waters.  One scene involves Edith Massey in her crib undergoing an "egg humiliation."  I wonder what it's like inside the mind of John Waters . . .
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2009, 11:59:12 AM »

Mofo Rising and Rev. Powell....

I think you guys are giving John Waters too much credit.... Pink Flamingos is an Exploitation Film and made in 1972... This is very important to note, because we are in the time when Hyppies Smoke a lot of pot, Heavy Metal is taking shape and Andy Warhol is making films... Also and most important... Theaters were accepting adult movies... (PG, R and X has a market) therefore filmmakers were open to experiment freely with their ideas like a music maker were experimenting with music (especially since they didnt feel bound by the limits of 45's and the Radio)... So a movie like Pink Flamingo is likely to be made.

Troma has been producing films many years before "Toxic Avenger" a the only reason why the series does exist is the power of renting movies from your home (the VHS rental store).


I would give credit to Blood Feast and Night of the Living Dead for Peter Jackson's "Dead Alive" a million times before I would even suggest John Waters... actually I would believe it was Herschell Gordon Lewis movies that opened John Waters mind into making Pink Flamingos... Hmmmmm... I think I would give Herschell Gordon Lewis credit for Troma films too... (wow and I dont even think Herschell Gordon Lewis is a good director)

Dadaism as Anti-filmmaking... it would assume Plan 9 from Outter Space would be a form of Dada since the movie broke many standards in traditional filmmaking...


:)




PLAN 9 is not dada, it is bulldada... meaning accidental dada.

Adn I still believe PINK FLAMINGOS meets the definition of Dada.  That's not giving Waters too much credit, because I don't give the original Dadaists much credit.  They were the originators of the shock art that's plagued us for the last century. 



hehe... bulldada...I never head of bulldada before but I do agree, Ed Wood did what he "thought" was right.


"Bulldada" is a pretty cool way to explain the appeal of "so-bad-it's-good" films.  It comes from the Church of the Subgenius.  [img=http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p8.html]http://Here's some more[/img] on the idea (warning: high craziness and impenetrability ahead).
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