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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2009, 10:53:10 AM »

lester, I wasn't angry.  Baffled, yes.  I don't waste 'angry' on the internet; it's ineffective and not appropriate.

As for the pictures you posted, OK I will admit my ignorance: the only one I recognize is Nixon; the others are nobody to me.  Maybe if I was an American it would be different, but as it is they bear no significance for me.  And no, I don't care for or feel a need of an explanation as to their place in things.  I'm sure the more politically savvy on here already know enough about the men in the pictures.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2009, 11:30:05 AM »

one is john edwards, a narciccistic democrat who ran for president last year while cheating on his cancer stricken wife, the other is jack aabramoff, noted corrupt lobbiest who swindled american indians out of tons of money and is now in jail i think
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2009, 12:17:54 PM »

one is john edwards, a narciccistic democrat who ran for president last year while cheating on his cancer stricken wife, the other is jack aabramoff, noted corrupt lobbiest who swindled american indians out of tons of money and is now in jail i think

Not only did he cheat on his cancer stricken wife but told his mistress that they would be together as soon as she died. What is it with politicians not being able to keep it in their pants. Edwards is not the first, nor the last.. take Gingrich for example. now there is a real piece of work.  Lookingup
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2009, 12:46:49 PM »

the other is jack abramoff, noted corrupt lobbiest who swindled american indians out of tons of money and is now in jail i think

Abramoff, along with NuWorld Services / NuImage is a name very close to meaning #@+##?! in the film industry here. Abramoff produced RED SCORPION which was supposed to assist the Bushmen but never did.

In jail? Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2009, 12:57:33 PM »

Well i think democracy etc. is great.  PEOPLE suck, and politicians suck twice as bad. 
 I have  had opportunity to see the old communist bloc first hand, and I have friends who are in the foreign service and military in places who are um, practicing alternative forms of government... i.e the "Declare yourself President for Life" ", or the "If its not in a  1000 year old book of rules, its not allowed" schools of politics.   
Its not perfect, but in general, this is the only system that works, and say, allows you to say the things you are saying without being a) stoned or b) hauled off to gulag or a dark little room.  Lets fix the corrupt bastards and keep the system.

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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2009, 01:05:04 PM »

3mnkids- these are just the guys up front.  that's why i included aabramoff.  i admit Obama is a likeable guy, but both parties have alot of edwards, nixons and abramoffs behind the scenes.

so it's just to reiterate the system can't be saved by a saviour type front guy, not for long.

trevor- I didn't know that. interesting.  those guys, abramoff and his gang were very active in the anti communist fight in the eighties in afghanistan, central america and I recall south africa was reliably anti communist was it not?  So they had lots of connections there.

they were as you indicated also huge scumbags whose anti communism was at best a front for their nefarious doings.  


of course, he is singing like a canary to reduce his sentence so could be some interesting things coming out of that.

he would do stuff like help one group of indians open a casino, then get ralph reed who is a big time christian family values guy, to have a rally right near where another indian casino wanted to open saying gambling is bad we don't want it in our community.  so there would be less competition for the first casino.




Ed- I'm not advocating for communism!!  I'm saying we have a form of it now.  I'm opposed to central planning period.  that's pretty much it.
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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2009, 02:18:15 PM »

3mnkids- these are just the guys up front.  that's why i included aabramoff.  i admit Obama is a likeable guy, but both parties have alot of edwards, nixons and abramoffs behind the scenes.



Obama is very likable, almost too likable. It really turned me off of him at first. And you are 100% correct, both parties have some very shady people. most of them in fact. They all are in it for themselves and to hell with their constituents.  Thumbdown  Its disgusting. Ever watch cspan?omg! I want to puke when I watch these so called adults acting worse than my 7 yr old.

You know,I can handle the occasional scandal whether it be interns or prostitutes, but what I cant stomach are the ones who hold themselves up like they are morally superior while banging interns or prostitutes.
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2009, 10:00:26 PM »

What - NO ONE wants me as supreme ruler of earth?

FINE!!! I just flushed my Ed Wood DNA down the toilet!  take that!!!

Lester, your brand of anarchy - and I do mean anarchy in its most literal sense, that is lack of all government - would work perfectly if human beings were decent, kindhearted, and sharing creatures.

Sadly, we are not.  Whether you attribute it to man's fall from Eden or to the "survival of the fittest" Darwinist instinct, at our core, we are all greedy savages.  The best of us learn to suppress that beastial nature, but that is largely because of the fear of consequences, which are mostly inflicted by governments and their agencies.

Government prevents "the war of every man against every man."  That is its primary purpose.

Now, as to our good old U.S. Government, I happen to agree with Dave Barry.  It is worth its multiple trillion dollar a year price tag for the sheer entertainment value it provides!
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 08:20:27 AM »

FINE!!! I just flushed my Ed Wood DNA down the toilet!  take that!!!

Oh crap! You mean it's down in the sewer with all the toxic chemicals and microbes and organic matter? Who knows what you might have wrought?
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 08:25:18 AM »

FINE!!! I just flushed my Ed Wood DNA down the toilet!  take that!!!

Oh crap! You mean it's down in the sewer with all the toxic chemicals and microbes and organic matter? Who knows what you might have wrought?

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2009, 08:33:37 AM »


trevor- I didn't know that. interesting.  those guys, abramoff and his gang were very active in the anti communist fight in the eighties in afghanistan, central america and I recall south africa was reliably anti communist was it not?  So they had lots of connections there.


Research tells me that the previous SA government co-funded Red Scorpion with Abramoff to diss the ANC but the film's failure put an end to that.

According to a source, Abramoff will be released in 2010 ~ after what he did to the local film industry, I wouldn't trust the man to wash my car.  Buggedout
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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2009, 02:59:20 PM »

he, ralph reed, tom delay and grover norquist made a ton of money via the GOP gaining power 1980-2000 ish
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« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2009, 07:49:38 AM »


I don't think think anarchy would be the utopia you seem to think it is lester.  



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Anarchism is the most misunderstood political philosophy out there! It has been so demonized by the elites because it is against coercive authority, hierarchy, patriarchy, religion and it is anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobia, anti-capitalist (as they see money as a form of coercive authority, albeit a symbolic one) and the fact that they want to abolish Government because it exemplifies all these things doesn't help. This is a very simplified explanation as it is a very varied school of thought. But I don't think that lester is an anarchist, he sounds more right Libertarian with his talk about property, no judgment, just saying. Anarchists consider property theft, at least most strains of it do, because it is produced off the labor of the working class through coercion ie. wage slavery by the capitalist class rather than through free associations of individuals producing for the common good. I would consider myself an Anarchist, more through thought than deed, but I am also a realist and realize at this point in history this type of society is impossible, if it ever will be. I believe people are socialized to be selfish (which is a debate itself), as this is the ethos of capitalism, which cannot be helped as it is all encompassing at the moment, but, all systems fail at some point.  Thumbup

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« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2009, 11:02:31 AM »

skuulbat- I'm an anaracho capitalist, but we probably agree on alot.  Thumbup
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2009, 05:37:56 PM »

skuulbat- I'm an anaracho capitalist, but we probably agree on alot.  Thumbup

Yeah I am not very dogmatic in my beliefs, there are a lot of Anarchists that consider Capitalism and Anarchism completely incompatible, but it is just a system that can be put to different uses and be reformed, it depends on the individuals practicing it. There are very good aspects to capitalism, just not as it's practiced now, at least in my opinion. But I still have a LOT to learn.
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