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« Reply #525 on: April 11, 2010, 08:07:49 AM »

Adult Swim is the Scrappy Doo of the Cartoon Network.

BLASPHEMY! Except for the shameless Family Guy re-runs, oh yeah, new Family Guy sucks, but I already said that.

Basically everything sucks that is popular or becomes hyped up too much. It's great when it's new, but then everybody turns on it and looks for the next best thing until they decide that it sucks also. E.g. popular cartoons to stay current pushed the bar and became more risque. Those cartoons in turn, were dumped by the masses in favour of more offensive material and quicker and faster animation. Also at the tail end of the 1980s, melodic/glam metal had become so huge and was being rammed down eveyone's throat so much that something had to give - Grunge was the "alternative", until that itself went mainstream, became too popular and it got dropped like s**t on a spade.
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« Reply #526 on: April 11, 2010, 08:52:43 AM »

Adult Swim is the Scrappy Doo of the Cartoon Network.

BLASPHEMY! Except for the shameless Family Guy re-runs, oh yeah, new Family Guy sucks, but I already said that.

Basically everything sucks that is popular or becomes hyped up too much. It's great when it's new, but then everybody turns on it and looks for the next best thing until they decide that it sucks also. E.g. popular cartoons to stay current pushed the bar and became more risque. Those cartoons in turn, were dumped by the masses in favour of more offensive material and quicker and faster animation. Also at the tail end of the 1980s, melodic/glam metal had become so huge and was being rammed down eveyone's throat so much that something had to give - Grunge was the "alternative", until that itself went mainstream, became too popular and it got dropped like s**t on a spade.
Hence the definition of pop culture.  But I'll add in a subtext, stuff always comes back to popularity. 
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« Reply #527 on: April 11, 2010, 04:56:51 PM »

Adult Swim is the Scrappy Doo of the Cartoon Network.

BLASPHEMY! Except for the shameless Family Guy re-runs, oh yeah, new Family Guy sucks, but I already said that.

Basically everything sucks that is popular or becomes hyped up too much. It's great when it's new, but then everybody turns on it and looks for the next best thing until they decide that it sucks also. E.g. popular cartoons to stay current pushed the bar and became more risque. Those cartoons in turn, were dumped by the masses in favour of more offensive material and quicker and faster animation. Also at the tail end of the 1980s, melodic/glam metal had become so huge and was being rammed down eveyone's throat so much that something had to give - Grunge was the "alternative", until that itself went mainstream, became too popular and it got dropped like s**t on a spade.
Hence the definition of pop culture.  But I'll add in a subtext, stuff always comes back to popularity. 

True enough. 

I had noticed this about a lot of other people.  My friends in high school were all about South Park when it came out, then ditched it once the less popular kids started liking it.  They did the same with many other things.  Remember when RPG's were really, really big in the PlayStation era?  Had quite a good number of friends who played FF7 or 8, but never touched another RPG afterward (or even before). 

I'll admit: I still watch Family Guy.  Hell, I still watch South Park.  I know, though, that the former is very much past it's prime, and even Seth McFarlane is becoming less and less funny.  Ever watch Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy?  It was SM's DVD full of pop culture parodies like the ones you would see in Family Guy.  He posted quite a few of these on YouTube, and I would have to say maybe 1 in every 3 videos was actually funny.  The rest didn't even gain a smile out of me.
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« Reply #528 on: April 11, 2010, 05:04:05 PM »

Adult Swim is the Scrappy Doo of the Cartoon Network.

BLASPHEMY! Except for the shameless Family Guy re-runs, oh yeah, new Family Guy sucks, but I already said that.

Basically everything sucks that is popular or becomes hyped up too much. It's great when it's new, but then everybody turns on it and looks for the next best thing until they decide that it sucks also. E.g. popular cartoons to stay current pushed the bar and became more risque. Those cartoons in turn, were dumped by the masses in favour of more offensive material and quicker and faster animation. Also at the tail end of the 1980s, melodic/glam metal had become so huge and was being rammed down eveyone's throat so much that something had to give - Grunge was the "alternative", until that itself went mainstream, became too popular and it got dropped like s**t on a spade.
Hence the definition of pop culture.  But I'll add in a subtext, stuff always comes back to popularity. 

True enough. 

I had noticed this about a lot of other people.  My friends in high school were all about South Park when it came out, then ditched it once the less popular kids started liking it.  They did the same with many other things.  Remember when RPG's were really, really big in the PlayStation era?  Had quite a good number of friends who played FF7 or 8, but never touched another RPG afterward (or even before). 

I'll admit: I still watch Family Guy.  Hell, I still watch South Park.  I know, though, that the former is very much past it's prime, and even Seth McFarlane is becoming less and less funny.  Ever watch Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy?  It was SM's DVD full of pop culture parodies like the ones you would see in Family Guy.  He posted quite a few of these on YouTube, and I would have to say maybe 1 in every 3 videos was actually funny.  The rest didn't even gain a smile out of me.
I've given up on Family Guy.  I'll watch reruns occasionally, but only of a select few episodes I really liked.

South Park, I feel, still CONSISTENTLY puts out great television.  I think part of the reason for that is they break the season apart.  Do 8 episodes in April and May, take the summer off, and do new episodes in November/December.  Plus, their computers are the ones Lucas uses for Star Wars, so they can animate an episode in one week, so they can do loads of spoofs of current news events.  Case in point: The Terri Schiavo case, Elian Gonzales, the Michael Richards "Racist' rant, etc, all worked into episodes as they happened. TeddyR
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« Reply #529 on: April 11, 2010, 05:58:10 PM »

Out of all the so-called offensive cartoons, that have become more the norm nowadays, the one I still like best is The Simpsons. Granted, the last ten seasons of the show pale next to the first ten but still it's far more likely to have me laughing than Family Guy which I rarely find funny at all it seems so obsessed with shocks and perversity (although honestly it has on rare occassions made me chuckle here and there). I never liked South Park. Can't stand listening to a bunch of swearing kids in reality so why would I want to watch a show like that? Sometimes I have to admit to having enjoyed Robot Chicken in terms of parody but again it's all about the shocks. This has become so much the norm now I find I crave and prefer toons that keep it much cleaner and actually focus on having a plot I can follow.
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« Reply #530 on: April 11, 2010, 09:42:27 PM »

Out of all the so-called offensive cartoons, that have become more the norm nowadays, the one I still like best is The Simpsons. Granted, the last ten seasons of the show pale next to the first ten but still it's far more likely to have me laughing than Family Guy which I rarely find funny at all it seems so obsessed with shocks and perversity (although honestly it has on rare occassions made me chuckle here and there). I never liked South Park. Can't stand listening to a bunch of swearing kids in reality so why would I want to watch a show like that? Sometimes I have to admit to having enjoyed Robot Chicken in terms of parody but again it's all about the shocks. This has become so much the norm now I find I crave and prefer toons that keep it much cleaner and actually focus on having a plot I can follow.
The Simpsons is classic.  Never gets old.

I dunno how old you are, but I know growing up in elementary school (not too long ago for me), we said much worse stuff on the playground than what the kids on South Park were saying.  Doing far worse things too.  Hell, in 5th grade, girls were bringing speed and coke into school.  We were 11.  So for me it works as a parody of how kids truly are (a lot of parents wanna believe their kids are angels.  Kids are bastards), as well as a parody of current events going on in the news.  But I appreciate your views on it's 'shock' humor, and I'm not saying your wrong, just stating my opinion based on experiences I had as a kid.
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« Reply #531 on: April 12, 2010, 02:45:38 AM »

I'm starting to believe the overall impact of the internet on the world is a negative rather than a positive now.  Likewise, cell phones.

And no, I'm not giving up either one.   Twirling
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« Reply #532 on: April 12, 2010, 06:42:16 AM »

I think Barack Obama is on his way to becoming the worst President of all time.  He's sure giving Jimmy Carter a run for his money!
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« Reply #533 on: April 12, 2010, 07:21:08 AM »

I think Barack Obama is on his way to becoming the worst President of all time.  He's sure giving Jimmy Carter a run for his money!
I'm guessing you had never been a victim of Hurricane Katrina and Rita, when Bush promised us money for rebuilding New Orleans, but the mula never came! Hatred Hatred
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« Reply #534 on: April 12, 2010, 03:33:07 PM »

I thought of another philosophical belief of me that's against the grain...  I don't like fertility treatments for people, especially in-vitro.  That probably goes along a bit with my misanthropic streak, but there's more to it than that.  Not saying people who use such things are bad, just something that rubs me the wrong way a little.

I think Barack Obama is on his way to becoming the worst President of all time.  He's sure giving Jimmy Carter a run for his money!

Bah.  I've noticed you read a good deal of US history - what about Warren G. Harding or James Buchanan?   TeddyR
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« Reply #535 on: April 12, 2010, 05:51:16 PM »

I quite liked Cabin Fever.
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« Reply #536 on: April 12, 2010, 07:04:54 PM »

Happy, I was only one to spout profanity as an infant, and it wasn't my fault as someone else taught me the words. As an adult and even as a kid and teenager, I never like hearing or saying profanity and the main rare occasion I'd use it would be when I banged myself up in some fashion or another. I'm a firm believer in no tolerance for profanity or disrespect of one's elders. It's how I was brought up. I just always knew it was the correct way to behave.
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« Reply #537 on: April 12, 2010, 09:01:06 PM »

I thought of another philosophical belief of me that's against the grain...  I don't like fertility treatments for people, especially in-vitro.  That probably goes along a bit with my misanthropic streak, but there's more to it than that.  Not saying people who use such things are bad, just something that rubs me the wrong way a little.

I think Barack Obama is on his way to becoming the worst President of all time.  He's sure giving Jimmy Carter a run for his money!

Bah.  I've noticed you read a good deal of US history - what about Warren G. Harding or James Buchanan?   TeddyR

OK, maybe I was indluging in a bit of hyperbole there - I guess I should have said the "Worst President of my lifetime."  Buchanan, Pierce, and Andrew Johnson will probably have bottom place to themselves for a long time to come, with Harding, Coolidge, and Ben Harrison directly above.  But I firmly think, in terms of foreign policy, Obama is going to be in the bottom 10 of all time!!!!!

And Bull - Louisiana got TONS of Federal Money after Katrina - much more than Galveston got for Rita.  Check the pockets of your mayor, state senators, and the Long family.
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« Reply #538 on: April 12, 2010, 09:55:22 PM »

Happy, I was only one to spout profanity as an infant, and it wasn't my fault as someone else taught me the words. As an adult and even as a kid and teenager, I never like hearing or saying profanity and the main rare occasion I'd use it would be when I banged myself up in some fashion or another. I'm a firm believer in no tolerance for profanity or disrespect of one's elders. It's how I was brought up. I just always knew it was the correct way to behave.
I'm very polite to my elders, mind you.  As far as profanity, I was never one personally to use it when I was in school, although the kids I hung with did use it very frequently.

Also, while I do have some respect for my elders...teachers were something different.  The b***h of a lady they called a "Teacher" that I had for 6 years was less a teacher and more a, um, well hag and that's the politest thing I can say about her...I tried to be nice but she made it quite difficult.  School in general broke me down to the point that I have absolutely no trust in ANYBODY in any capacity except in myself.
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« Reply #539 on: April 12, 2010, 11:07:46 PM »

Adult Swim is the Scrappy Doo of the Cartoon Network.

BLASPHEMY! Except for the shameless Family Guy re-runs, oh yeah, new Family Guy sucks, but I already said that.

Basically everything sucks that is popular or becomes hyped up too much. It's great when it's new, but then everybody turns on it and looks for the next best thing until they decide that it sucks also. E.g. popular cartoons to stay current pushed the bar and became more risque. Those cartoons in turn, were dumped by the masses in favour of more offensive material and quicker and faster animation. Also at the tail end of the 1980s, melodic/glam metal had become so huge and was being rammed down eveyone's throat so much that something had to give - Grunge was the "alternative", until that itself went mainstream, became too popular and it got dropped like s**t on a spade.

Though I do agree with what you said (mostly anyhow, I love being out with the times, but then again, that's considered cool sometimes...f**k!!!). I only start to hate something I enjoy when the creators stop trying and/or throw their creativity out the window. Family Guy has become a sad parody of itself with constant 80's movie references and trying to p**s everyone off. They used to do this with a sense of charm, but now try to be callous and nihilistic about it, as if saying they're too cool for cool. That is why in the long run, Seth McFarlane failed to even touch the Simpsons or even South Park.

His only good show is American Dad.
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