Army has NO sense of humor about dinosaur rape

[BTM]

Yeah, I figured the title would get your attention.

So, I was over on Failbook.org the other day and I found this interesting little picture..

Basically it's a guy talking about how he seems to get annoyed at 99 percent of the people he talks to and wishs someone would "torture and murder them" and that "their families would be raped and murdered by dinosaurs". 

Well,  then there's a reply from an SPC (Army E-4 Specialist) who basically tells the guy off for posting this while having a picture of himself IN uniform.  He also does NOT care to have some guy wishing his family to get raped and that he's going to do whatever he can to make sure the first guy gets kicked out of the army.

Now, what's really interesting about this is the FLURRY of comments that have been made on the website about this picture, some calling Green (the SPC's name is blocked out in green highlight) a jerk and overreacting to a guy who's just blowing off steam.  They also say the fact he mentions wanting people to be raped by dinosaurs (which don't currently exists), shows he's just being facetious.  Others say blue (the angry guy) is the jerk, and that he deserves to get removed from the Army because you don't say stuff like that especially when you're in a job that involves, among other things, handling guns and explosives.

Personally, I have to lean on the side of the latter group.  I mean, it sucks but in this day and age, you can not joke about wanting people murdered, and certainly shouldn't be doing it from a PUBLIC BLOG YOUR BOSS CAN READ.  That's just plan dumb. 

I get the feeling this guy was more than just "blowing off steam".  I think he has, at best, anger issues and at worst, might be a few steps away from full blown psychopath (the fact he thinks himself superior to everyone else and seems to hurt people for their "stupidity".)  Warning signs like this they've GOT to take seriously, especially in a world where crazy s**t seems to happen almost continuously (Fort Bragg, anyone?)

Anyway, that's my take on it.

[Flick James]

Yeah, my first thought is the guy's just blowing steam. The dinosaur comment, if it were by itself, would not concern me at all. Hell, I wouldn't be above saying something similar in jest, although I would probably say "raped by dinosaurs," which is much funnier.

However, the torture and murder part, in additional to a general tone of isolation and alienation might be of concern. I've said some pretty messed up stuff in my own home when venting, to my wife, but posting something like that is definately different.

I'm a bit of a misanthrope and generally get annoyed by people easily myself, but I don't wish rape, torture, or murder upon them, I just silently wish they would shut up.

[The Gravekeeper]

And here I thought I was touchy when it comes to rape...

[Jim H]

I mean, it sucks but in this day and age

When was it OK to joke about people being murdered?   

[BTM]

I mean, it sucks but in this day and age

When was it OK to joke about people being murdered?   

Well, you know, that old saying, "Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them."  Write that down and post it (either online or in a post it note) in the wrong place you could probably get into a  lot of trouble.

Especially when people like to "mishear" what you say.  I remember an incident from my own life I was telling someone a Top Ten style joke about, "Signs office morale is REALLY sliding down" and I said number five (or something) was, "You see some guy at his desk, polishing a shotgun, saying, 'I am the Angel of Death, the time of purification is at hand.'"  (Which, BTW, I stole from The Simpsons)

Well, less than a day later, word goes up to my bosses that I was, "saying something about bringing a shotgun to work."  Course, this also had a the bad timing of being just a week after some dude in Florida killed several co-workers after losing his job. 

Now, anyone who knows me even halfway well, knows I'm not a violent person, just a guy with a bent sense of humor, but again, these days (sighs).

Just makes me damn glad I'm not in high school anyone. 

[zombie no.one]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

compare and contrast, etc...

[BTM]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

compare and contrast, etc...

Okay, not sure what that was to do with the subject at hand.  Guess someone's been hanging out with Judge Death a lot lately...

[zombie no.one]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

compare and contrast, etc...

Okay, not sure what that was to do with the subject at hand.  Guess someone's been hanging out with Judge Death a lot lately...

fair enough. I know it's a light hearted forum and I'm not trying to stir anything up. sorry. just feel a slight sense of hypocracy here. the army is allowed to cover up its own bad doings, but they will publically reprimand someone who is clearly not being serious, bringing dinosaurs into it. my bad...let's not go there.

basically, if you're implying in the thread title that the army is a bit silly for not having a sense of humour in this case, then I agree with you.

[Flick James]

I was in the Navy. I don't know their policy on dinosaur rape, but I'm inclined to think they have a sense of humor about it.

[Jim H]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

compare and contrast, etc...

Okay, not sure what that was to do with the subject at hand.  Guess someone's been hanging out with Judge Death a lot lately...

fair enough. I know it's a light hearted forum and I'm not trying to stir anything up. sorry. just feel a slight sense of hypocracy here. the army is allowed to cover up its own bad doings, but they will publically reprimand someone who is clearly not being serious, bringing dinosaurs into it. my bad...let's not go there.

basically, if you're implying in the thread title that the army is a bit silly for not having a sense of humour in this case, then I agree with you.

Well, it'd be more relevant if My Lai hadn't happened over 40 years ago.  Not to say the army might not still cover stuff up, but the way they've handled known cases in Iraq suggests it does not happen to nearly the same extent any longer. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

On a related note, it boggles my mind that you can be responsible for several hundred murders (not just ordering, but personally carrying out a chunk of it) and be walking around as a free man after a couple years of house arrest.  Calley should have received a few minutes at the end of a rope instead.

[zombie no.one]

Well, it'd be more relevant if My Lai hadn't happened over 40 years ago.  Not to say the army might not still cover stuff up, but the way they've handled known cases in Iraq suggests it does not happen to nearly the same extent any longer.  

yeah agreed. there's more of a culture of 'owning up' now, or at least there seems to be. which is good, obviously

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

I mean, it sucks but in this day and age

When was it OK to joke about people being murdered?   

In this day and age of the abandoning of responsibility for what we say or do, it's easy to see how a statement like the one of this kid could easily be dismissed. And it's a mistake.

The shadow of Ft. Hood still looms as a fairly recent ands good example. 

Noone took Major Hasan seriously either, but in his case, there were also the racial and religious barriers that he enjoyed because of the military's strict rules on profiling based on these two counts.

Many who knew of his increasingly odd behavior were afraid to come forward for fear of discipline if they had been wrong about him.

We need to start making blanket rules regardless of race and religion, and we need to start erring on the side of safety even more. Ft. Hood could have been prevented.

And if this kid is also heading down that same path, he too can also be prevented from doing the same. Let's hope it dosen't go there...

[AndyC]

What I'm wondering is when he says "raped and eaten by dinosaurs" does he want the dinosaurs to rape and eat them, or just eat them after someone else rapes them.

My thinking on this is that while people should be allowed to blow off steam, this guy crossed a line in terms of viciousness. Aside from the mention of dinosaurs, there's nothing playful about what he says. And if his boss catches him saying that publicly while wearing his uniform, it seems natural to me that he's going to get in some kind of hot water. And from the last paragraph, I'm guessing it's not entirely about the one statement, so much as it is that statement confirming what other people have been saying.

[Jim H]

The shadow of Ft. Hood still looms as a fairly recent ands good example. 

Or for that matter, Virginia Tech, where people DID try to seek help for the shooter, and red tape and other issues stopped anything from really happening.

The problem is there are so many people with these sorts of problems, and violent attacks so rare, that it's unlikely we'll be seeing a real change in this attitude.

[Umaril The Unfeathered]

The shadow of Ft. Hood still looms as a fairly recent ands good example. 

Or for that matter, Virginia Tech, where people DID try to seek help for the shooter, and red tape and other issues stopped anything from really happening.

The problem is there are so many people with these sorts of problems, and violent attacks so rare, that it's unlikely we'll be seeing a real change in this attitude.

The biggest failure in Virginia Tech, was the failure of the state to report Seung Hui Cho's mental illness to the NICS background check system.  Had it been known that he had been observed in a mental ward after stalking his girlfriend,  he most likely would have been either delayed in, or outrightly denied the sale of the Glock-17 pistols he used to go on the rampage.

Sadly, the incident was the one that finally got the politicians (and the NRA) to sit down and hammer out ond refine the NICS Improvement Act which now has a greater record of mental health history for each potential firearm purchaser. And it has worked to some degree, as well as the general NICS helping to stop people who were properly convicted felons, drug users, and alcoholics (all stips of the 1968 Gun Control Act implementd after the death of Bobby Kennedy.)

Sadly, many gun haters used Virginia Tech and Ft. Hood as their wet dream to try to erase the 2nd Amendment from our Constitution, (people like Mike Bloomberg and Chuck Schumer) who can't seem to understand (or won't) that there are many more lawful gun owners in America, who sadly must suffer the brunt of the actions of people like Hasan and Seung Hui Cho. 

But yet, Ted kennedy got to keep his driver's license until his dying day....