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« on: November 11, 2010, 08:34:43 PM »

There was this article:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/40113769

And then this one:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/amazon-removes-pedophilia-book-store/story?id=12119035

I agree with Amazon's decision on this one.  I don't think refusing to carry the book is a breach of the first amendment because it's their ball game and they can decide what they do and don't publish.  It's just like a lot of the magazines and websites I submit stories to.  Many of them said that they will not accept anything that depicts child or spousal abuse, and that's their ball game. 
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 09:39:19 PM »

Agreeing with the inaugural post... anything that promotes child or spousal abuse (man OR woman) isn't cool.  Of course, it probably won't be long before the ACLU decides to step in and chase the ambulance on the usual grounds.

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 10:33:00 PM »

People have a right to write down any evil, hurtful, stupid, or malicious idea or opinion they have.  That doesn't mean that publishers are obligated to print it, or that bookstores (online or otherwise) are obligated to sell it.

On the bright side, this bozo is almost certainly going to hell.
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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 10:49:07 PM »

People have a right to write down any evil, hurtful, stupid, or malicious idea or opinion they have.  That doesn't mean that publishers are obligated to print it, or that bookstores (online or otherwise) are obligated to sell it.

On the bright side, this bozo is almost certainly going to hell.

True..you have a right to Free Speech (and the right to be an ass) but other people don't have to hear it (or publish it.)

This reminds me a bit of the Linda Ronstadt-Michael Moore thing. That was over Free Speech too.

A few years back, Ronstadt was fired from a nightclub for an onstage political opinion where she virtually enshrined Michael Moore as "an American hero"

And then Moore wrote a nasty letter to the club owners with the usual whining about Free Speech. 

The owner had every right...she was there to sing, not start a political rant. And it was someone else's house, not hers. 

And in same manner, Amazon has every right to turn down a book or any other material they deem inappropriate.




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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 04:57:31 AM »

As a child of abuse ~ physical, verbal and mental ~ the book I would write would be entitled How To Kill A Pedophile. Hatred
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2010, 10:40:06 AM »

As a child of abuse ~ physical, verbal and mental ~ the book I would write would be entitled How To Kill A Pedophile. Hatred

I had some physical abuse as a kid (hitting) but not as much as the mental from my father.  He had those same vitriolic,  condescending and verbal razors that remind you of Keith Olbermann, only he would yell and scream when it came down to it. Don't wanna talk about it any more, but just to tell you you're not alone, my friend.  Bluesad
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2010, 08:22:02 PM »

I wonder how much the book's sales have increased due to this publicity.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2010, 08:32:11 PM »

I wonder how much the book's sales have increased due to this publicity.

According the article, it briefly shot up into amazon's top 100.

I have no issue with amazon pulling anything they want to.  If I was a publisher, I wouldn't carry such a book as, regardless of my opinion on its content, I'd feel it would hurt my sales more than sales of the book itself could possibly add. 

I do have an issue with their obvious hypocrisy though. 

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"Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," Amazon told the technology blog TechCrunch. "Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable."

Then they pulled the book, almost certainly because of complaints.   Lookingup
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2010, 10:45:40 PM »

This thread title sounds like a Harry Potter story.

'Harry Potter and the Pedophile Book of Controversy'


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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 03:12:13 PM »


I do have an issue with their obvious hypocrisy though. 

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"Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," Amazon told the technology blog TechCrunch. "Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable."

Then they pulled the book, almost certainly because of complaints.   Lookingup

Ah, but that's not hypocrisy.  They pulled the title because of customer complaints, not because they believe the message is objectionable.  They never said they wouldn't pull the title if they thought negative publicity was going to hurt their image and bottom line.

Amazon doesn't sell hardcore porn either, but "Amazon.com" doesn't believe the message of hardcore porn is objectionable. "Amazon.com" doesn't really have any moral opinions.  Not selling porn is purely a business decision.  That's absolutely fine by me.  There's plenty of people selling that stuff. 

I wouldn't be at all shocked if some fly-by-night organization picks up the pedophile book for publication.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2010, 06:38:02 PM »


I do have an issue with their obvious hypocrisy though. 

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"Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," Amazon told the technology blog TechCrunch. "Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable."

Then they pulled the book, almost certainly because of complaints.   Lookingup

Ah, but that's not hypocrisy.  They pulled the title because of customer complaints, not because they believe the message is objectionable.  They never said they wouldn't pull the title if they thought negative publicity was going to hurt their image and bottom line.

Amazon doesn't sell hardcore porn either, but "Amazon.com" doesn't believe the message of hardcore porn is objectionable. "Amazon.com" doesn't really have any moral opinions.  Not selling porn is purely a business decision.  That's absolutely fine by me.  There's plenty of people selling that stuff. 

I wouldn't be at all shocked if some fly-by-night organization picks up the pedophile book for publication.

Well said, Rev. It seems everone tries to make themselves a political prisoner when they get the door shut in their face. 

One of the best examples I can think of is here in my own neighborhood where skaters are always arrested in the summer for breaking town laws they allegedly didn't know existed.

They smart off to the cops, using Free Speech as their excuse, and when they go one verbal step too far and wind up getting cuffed, it's time to play victim. Noone ever said they couldn't speak, but at the same time, noone said they wouldn't have to suffer the consequences for it, either.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2010, 01:29:35 PM »


I do have an issue with their obvious hypocrisy though. 

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"Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," Amazon told the technology blog TechCrunch. "Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable."

Then they pulled the book, almost certainly because of complaints.   Lookingup

Ah, but that's not hypocrisy.  They pulled the title because of customer complaints, not because they believe the message is objectionable.  They never said they wouldn't pull the title if they thought negative publicity was going to hurt their image and bottom line.

Amazon doesn't sell hardcore porn either, but "Amazon.com" doesn't believe the message of hardcore porn is objectionable. "Amazon.com" doesn't really have any moral opinions.  Not selling porn is purely a business decision.  That's absolutely fine by me.  There's plenty of people selling that stuff. 

I wouldn't be at all shocked if some fly-by-night organization picks up the pedophile book for publication.

Well said, Rev. It seems everone tries to make themselves a political prisoner when they get the door shut in their face. 

One of the best examples I can think of is here in my own neighborhood where skaters are always arrested in the summer for breaking town laws they allegedly didn't know existed.

They smart off to the cops, using Free Speech as their excuse, and when they go one verbal step too far and wind up getting cuffed, it's time to play victim. Noone ever said they couldn't speak, but at the same time, noone said they wouldn't have to suffer the consequences for it, either.

A verbal step too far?  Unless you're talking about threats, there's no such thing.  Any cop arresting someone for that (which happens under BS disorderly conduct charges usually) should lose his badge.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2010, 03:44:59 PM »


I do have an issue with their obvious hypocrisy though. 

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"Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," Amazon told the technology blog TechCrunch. "Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable."

Then they pulled the book, almost certainly because of complaints.   Lookingup

Ah, but that's not hypocrisy.  They pulled the title because of customer complaints, not because they believe the message is objectionable.  They never said they wouldn't pull the title if they thought negative publicity was going to hurt their image and bottom line.

Amazon doesn't sell hardcore porn either, but "Amazon.com" doesn't believe the message of hardcore porn is objectionable. "Amazon.com" doesn't really have any moral opinions.  Not selling porn is purely a business decision.  That's absolutely fine by me.  There's plenty of people selling that stuff. 

I wouldn't be at all shocked if some fly-by-night organization picks up the pedophile book for publication.

Well said, Rev. It seems everone tries to make themselves a political prisoner when they get the door shut in their face. 

One of the best examples I can think of is here in my own neighborhood where skaters are always arrested in the summer for breaking town laws they allegedly didn't know existed.

They smart off to the cops, using Free Speech as their excuse, and when they go one verbal step too far and wind up getting cuffed, it's time to play victim. Noone ever said they couldn't speak, but at the same time, noone said they wouldn't have to suffer the consequences for it, either.

A verbal step too far?  Unless you're talking about threats, there's no such thing.  Any cop arresting someone for that (which happens under BS disorderly conduct charges usually) should lose his badge.

Sounds to me like it's a situation where the cop had every right to arrest the kid but was willing to let him off with a warning.  If the kid then smarts off, the cop decides to use his discretion to arrest him.  I'm guessing that's the scenario Umaril is describing.  Obviously a cop couldn't arrest someone on the basis of disrespectful speech alone.
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I do have an issue with their obvious hypocrisy though. 

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"Let me assure you that Amazon.com does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts; we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," Amazon told the technology blog TechCrunch. "Amazon.com believes it is censorship not to sell certain titles because we believe their message is objectionable."

Then they pulled the book, almost certainly because of complaints.   Lookingup

Ah, but that's not hypocrisy.  They pulled the title because of customer complaints, not because they believe the message is objectionable.  They never said they wouldn't pull the title if they thought negative publicity was going to hurt their image and bottom line.

Amazon doesn't sell hardcore porn either, but "Amazon.com" doesn't believe the message of hardcore porn is objectionable. "Amazon.com" doesn't really have any moral opinions.  Not selling porn is purely a business decision.  That's absolutely fine by me.  There's plenty of people selling that stuff. 

I wouldn't be at all shocked if some fly-by-night organization picks up the pedophile book for publication.

Well said, Rev. It seems everone tries to make themselves a political prisoner when they get the door shut in their face. 

One of the best examples I can think of is here in my own neighborhood where skaters are always arrested in the summer for breaking town laws they allegedly didn't know existed.

They smart off to the cops, using Free Speech as their excuse, and when they go one verbal step too far and wind up getting cuffed, it's time to play victim. Noone ever said they couldn't speak, but at the same time, noone said they wouldn't have to suffer the consequences for it, either.

A verbal step too far?  Unless you're talking about threats, there's no such thing.  Any cop arresting someone for that (which happens under BS disorderly conduct charges usually) should lose his badge.

Sounds to me like it's a situation where the cop had every right to arrest the kid but was willing to let him off with a warning.  If the kid then smarts off, the cop decides to use his discretion to arrest him.  I'm guessing that's the scenario Umaril is describing.  Obviously a cop couldn't arrest someone on the basis of disrespectful speech alone.

Thinking back on it, I suspect you're right.  Kids who do that are just being stupid. 

I jumped to that conclusion because I've known people who were arrested for "disorderly conduct" for doing nothing more than not treating police the way police think they should be treated.  Charges got dropped, of course, but in the mean time cops get to cuff someone and jail them for a few hours, thinking they've taught them a lesson.  Thumbdown
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2010, 04:44:19 AM »

I had some physical abuse as a kid (hitting) but not as much as the mental from my father.  He had those same vitriolic,  condescending and verbal razors that remind you of Keith Olbermann, only he would yell and scream when it came down to it. Don't wanna talk about it any more, but just to tell you you're not alone, my friend.  Bluesad

Warm hugs to you.  Smile
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