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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 12:19:15 PM »

In the UK prety much everyone believes in Global Warming*. You'd be a fool not too.

I wouldn't worry too much about the fool part..your parliament already made fools out of your countrymen when they released the Lockerbie bomber out of sympathy, saying he only had months to live.  And guess what? More than 3 months have passed by and he's still alive; what's up with that?   Question   I hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it...


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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2010, 12:21:06 PM »

In the UK prety much everyone believes in Global Warming*. You'd be a fool not too.

I wouldn't worry too much about the fool part..your parliament already made fools out of your countrymen when they released the Lockerbie bomber out of sympathy, saying he only had months to live.  And guess what? More than 3 months have passed by and he's still alive; what's up with that?   Question   I hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it...


They are.

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If that's supposed to be funny, that's in poor taste. Almost 300 people died because of that guy and your countrymen looked the other way. I certainly hope you're not serious...
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 12:23:11 PM »

In the UK prety much everyone believes in Global Warming*. You'd be a fool not too.

I wouldn't worry too much about the fool part..your parliament already made fools out of your countrymen when they released the Lockerbie bomber out of sympathy, saying he only had months to live.  And guess what? More than 3 months have passed by and he's still alive; what's up with that?   Question   I hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it...


They are.

 TeddyR

If that's supposed to be funny, that's in poor taste. Almost 300 people died because of that guy and your countrymen looked the other way. I certainly hope you're not serious...

Well, you were asking a pretty stange question " hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it..."

As if I would know or that there was any connection.
I'd like to see the hard facts.



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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 12:32:11 PM »

In the UK prety much everyone believes in Global Warming*. You'd be a fool not too.

I wouldn't worry too much about the fool part..your parliament already made fools out of your countrymen when they released the Lockerbie bomber out of sympathy, saying he only had months to live.  And guess what? More than 3 months have passed by and he's still alive; what's up with that?   Question   I hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it...


They are.

 TeddyR

If that's supposed to be funny, that's in poor taste. Almost 300 people died because of that guy and your countrymen looked the other way. I certainly hope you're not serious...

Well, you were asking a pretty stange question " hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it..."

As if I would know or that there was any connection.
I'd like to see the hard facts.

Well, your leaders already lied to you about how long the Bomber had to live, so what else could they be doing behind your backs?  You think the U.S. is the only country that has dirty deals? 

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 12:41:50 PM »



In the UK prety much everyone believes in Global Warming*. You'd be a fool not too.

I wouldn't worry too much about the fool part..your parliament already made fools out of your countrymen when they released the Lockerbie bomber out of sympathy, saying he only had months to live.  And guess what? More than 3 months have passed by and he's still alive; what's up with that?   Question   I hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it...


They are.

 TeddyR

If that's supposed to be funny, that's in poor taste. Almost 300 people died because of that guy and your countrymen looked the other way. I certainly hope you're not serious...

Well, you were asking a pretty stange question " hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it..."

As if I would know or that there was any connection.
I'd like to see the hard facts.

Well, your leaders already lied to you about how long the Bomber had to live, so what else could they be doing behind your backs?  You think the U.S. is the only country that has dirty deals? 



Lied ?
Okay, not all of us live in conspiracy land.

I think it was a genuine mistake.

I believe in corruption where ever you find money, but this is going too far. This was politicaly very tough for the English and Scottish governments, they got a lot of a kicking in the press for that.
I think the whole point of a conspiracy is that no one knows...

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 01:02:27 PM »



In the UK prety much everyone believes in Global Warming*. You'd be a fool not too.

I wouldn't worry too much about the fool part..your parliament already made fools out of your countrymen when they released the Lockerbie bomber out of sympathy, saying he only had months to live.  And guess what? More than 3 months have passed by and he's still alive; what's up with that?   Question   I hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it...


They are.

 TeddyR

If that's supposed to be funny, that's in poor taste. Almost 300 people died because of that guy and your countrymen looked the other way. I certainly hope you're not serious...

Well, you were asking a pretty stange question " hope the new oil fields in Libya were worth it..."

As if I would know or that there was any connection.
I'd like to see the hard facts.

Well, your leaders already lied to you about how long the Bomber had to live, so what else could they be doing behind your backs?  You think the U.S. is the only country that has dirty deals? 



Lied ?
Okay, not all of us live in conspiracy land.

I think it was a genuine mistake.

I believe in corruption where ever you find money, but this is going too far. This was politicaly very tough for the English and Scottish governments, they got a lot of a kicking in the press for that.
I think the whole point of a conspiracy is that no one knows...

As far as "conspiracy land" goes, I was just raising the question of oil fields for the UK as a possibility and not a positive.   But you did say it yourself, that where there's money, there's corruption. And I'm sure that many of your own countrymen feel the same way, if asked. 

And as far as Britian and Scotland getting kicked in the press for their decision, well that usually happens when politicians put the lives of terrorists above the lives of their victims.   Make a bad deal, expect to get kicked for it. It's that way everywhere.
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 01:48:11 PM »

I think a lot of conservatives are turned off because the issue has been exceedingly politicized by the left, and because most of the proposed solutions are, whether designed to be so or not, thinly disguised attacks on capitalism that would destroy, or at best cripple, the U.S. economy (i.e., cap and trade), while giving the "emerging nations" a free pass.  Sounds like global economic socialism to me.
  Personally, it is obvious that the globe has warmed up some, although hucksters like Gore have grossly overstated the immediate threat.  The evidence for human causation is a good bit weaker than is generally realized, and the fact is that every nation on earth could adopt every policy Gore recommends, and we still don't KNOW that it would make any difference in global temperatures at all.  It's a heck of a reach to ask a nation to hamstring its already sputtering economy as part of a solution that may not make any difference  . . .
I agree with most of this explanation, though I would put it in less partisan terms.  Smile 
Okay, you get a pass for that, and I know you know what I mean.  Mr. Maneuverer.   


Actually, I don't know if I know you know what I mean.  Wink To clarify, the exact parts of Indy's original post I disagree with are:

*"The issue has been politicized by the left" (the right is equally guilty)

*"...the proposed solutions are, whether designed to be so or not, thinly disguised attacks on capitalism..." (I don't believe the proposed solutions are an "attack on capitalism")

*"...would destroy, or at best cripple, the U.S. economy..." (exaggerated)

*"...evidence for human causation is a good bit weaker than is generally realized..." (I'm not sure anyone in this discussion is really qualified to make that assessment)


Those rhetorical exaggerations aside, I pretty much agree with him.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2010, 05:15:39 PM »

I think a lot of conservatives are turned off because the issue has been exceedingly politicized by the left, and because most of the proposed solutions are, whether designed to be so or not, thinly disguised attacks on capitalism that would destroy, or at best cripple, the U.S. economy (i.e., cap and trade), while giving the "emerging nations" a free pass.  Sounds like global economic socialism to me.
  Personally, it is obvious that the globe has warmed up some, although hucksters like Gore have grossly overstated the immediate threat.  The evidence for human causation is a good bit weaker than is generally realized, and the fact is that every nation on earth could adopt every policy Gore recommends, and we still don't KNOW that it would make any difference in global temperatures at all.  It's a heck of a reach to ask a nation to hamstring its already sputtering economy as part of a solution that may not make any difference  . . .
I agree with most of this explanation, though I would put it in less partisan terms.  Smile 
Okay, you get a pass for that, and I know you know what I mean.  Mr. Maneuverer.   
Actually, I don't know if I know you know what I mean.  Wink To clarify, the exact parts of Indy's original post I disagree with are:
*"The issue has been politicized by the left" (the right is equally guilty)
*"...the proposed solutions are, whether designed to be so or not, thinly disguised attacks on capitalism..." (I don't believe the proposed solutions are an "attack on capitalism")
*"...would destroy, or at best cripple, the U.S. economy..." (exaggerated)
*"...evidence for human causation is a good bit weaker than is generally realized..." (I'm not sure anyone in this discussion is really qualified to make that assessment)
Those rhetorical exaggerations aside, I pretty much agree with him.[/size]
Hey, I said you get a "pass".   Wink  I get you better than you might ascertain, and your levelheaded assertions are what I would have expected from you.  So... you basically agree, except with all of Indy's points because they are exaggerated.   Question TongueOut
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2010, 07:01:35 PM »

So... you basically agree, except with all of Indy's points because they are exaggerated.   Question TongueOut

I basically agree with your characterization of my views, too, except for the  Question

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Even conservatives agree we need to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels. 

The real debate is how much we should prioritize it, not whether we should do it at all. 

This "global warming is real/is unproven" of "real but is/isn't caused by humans" debate kind of obscures that.  But maybe it's all just a sideshow for us masses anyway.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2010, 07:15:31 PM »

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Well, your leaders already lied to you about how long the Bomber had to live, so what else could they be doing behind your backs?  You think the U.S. is the only country that has dirty deals? 


They didn't lie.  A doctor figured he had just a few months to live.  Actually, several did.  "Months to live" things are basically educated guesses.  In all likelihood, returning home to his family gave him greater vigor - it's not like anyone is denying he has terminal cancer.

It's also worth noting, I suppose, that the case against al-Megrahi seems weak and circumstantial.  Point in fact, the first thing the guy talked about on his release was how he'd prove his innocence.  Not to say that proves his innocence, of course, but it is interesting.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/66187,news-comment,news-politics,how-abdelbaset-al-megrahi-and-libya-were-framed-for-lockerbie-bombing

What does this have to do with global warming again?
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2010, 07:21:51 PM »

Even conservatives agree we need to lessen our dependence on fossil fuels. 

For reasons of financial and energy independence, if for nothing else.

The real debate is how much we should prioritize it, not whether we should do it at all.

And using reasonable measures to achieve it. 

This "global warming is real/is unproven" of "real but is/isn't caused by humans" debate kind of obscures that.  But maybe it's all just a sideshow for us masses anyway.

If so, it would be one of many such sideshows, and one of many to come. It never ends.


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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2010, 01:41:25 AM »

*"...evidence for human causation is a good bit weaker than is generally realized..." (I'm not sure anyone in this discussion is really qualified to make that assessment)

Not true at all. If you really want to educate yourself on this matter, all of the data is publicly available. You can look it up if you really care about it. That the whole issue has been extremely politicized just points to the fact that you should look up so you can talk about intelligently.

If you buy somebody's argument just because it coincides with your predecided beliefs, well, you're a feeb.

Look it up and think critically. If you're not doing that, well we can all tell you're fooling yourself for kicks.

EDIT: Upon re-reading, that "feeb" remark seems harsher than I intended, and it was also not intended to be aimed at any specific audiences.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2010, 06:56:00 AM »


Not true at all. If you really want to educate yourself on this matter, all of the data is publicly available. You can look it up if you really care about it. That the whole issue has been extremely politicized just points to the fact that you should look up so you can talk about intelligently.

If you buy somebody's argument just because it coincides with your predecided beliefs, well, you're a feeb.

Look it up and think critically. If you're not doing that, well we can all tell you're fooling yourself for kicks.


This is an excellent point, but has a severe limitation or two.

First and foremost, is that the data, and the modeling, require a TON of specialized training and mathematics skills to PROPERLY understand in any meaningful way.  That's how "they" get away with manipulating opinions - they are banking on the poor science and math skills of most people, and take a "*I* understand this, just listen to me" approach.

I've done stochastic modeling and computational fluid dynamics calculations.  My graduate thesis was on chemical reaction dynamics and the ways that molecules store energy.  I can (and have) teach the math, chemistry and physics of "climate science" (which is a made-up "science" since it's JUST chemistry and physics, but hey, no one here will listen to me on this matter) at a graduate level, and I KNOW from MY OWN "critical thinking" on this topic that the so-called "settled science" behind it pure, unadulterated crap.

My position on it nowadays is that if you (a) don't know what the term "stochastic modeling" means AND (b) have not actually done it yourself then you are neither qualified to offer an opinion to me nor challenge my own conclusions (whether they are right or wrong).

In other words, I've gotten to the point that I will only discuss "climate change" with other Ph.D. physicists and chemists, and preferably only those that are not currently working on the public dole for their "livelihood."

As to,

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(I'm not sure anyone in this discussion is really qualified to make that assessment)


What's sad is that anyone with a BS or BA in any physical science (chemistry, physics, geology, etc) SHOULD be qualified to analyze this data and the conclusions being drawn from it.  But since the level of our contemporary science and math education is in the toilet, this does not surprise me.

There was a time, only a generation or two ago, that Mofo's critical thinking point above would apply to a far broader spectrum of people.  However, just yesterday (and also earlier in the week), I was lamenting the "illusion" I see in education with a good friend...another chemist...who spends HIS time correcting the imbecilic mistakes of other "scientists" that would otherwise appear in the country's college text books.  And I mean, truly imbecilic, fundamental errors in basic understanding and thinking, not typos.
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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2010, 12:29:03 AM »

*"...evidence for human causation is a good bit weaker than is generally realized..." (I'm not sure anyone in this discussion is really qualified to make that assessment)

Not true at all. If you really want to educate yourself on this matter, all of the data is publicly available. You can look it up if you really care about it. That the whole issue has been extremely politicized just points to the fact that you should look up so you can talk about intelligently.


Let me point out that neither you nor Ulthar, our board scientists, were in the discussion at the time I wrote "I'm not sure anyone in this discussion is really qualified to make that assessment."  Wink

The only reliable data I could find when I tried to research the issue a few years ago was the U.N.'s report, which I looked through.  (The report, of course, does not say "human activity is causing the globe to get hotter"; it says there's a high probability the climate is getting warmer, and a less high probability that human activity is the cause).   

I found lots of references to dissenting opinions, but nothing that was an actual study, not a politically slanted synopsis. 

It's true that if I cared enough, I could locate the data I needed to make an informed opinion.  But 90-95% of the material I found (via Google) was spin, not hard data or reasoned analysis.  Some of the discussions I located among people who did know what they were talking about were impenetrable, because they assumed a certain amount of familiarity with the intricate ongoing argument that I didn't have.  I could learn what I needed to know to form a decent opinion, but I choose not to put in the time necessary to educate myself on the issue.     

To Ulthar's point, I'm proud to say that I really don't know enough to form a strong opinion.  Many who know far less about the subject than I do have formed unalterable positions. 

My scientific background is a minor in biochemistry decades ago: just enough to make me familiar with how much I actually don't know.

As legal expert I know that laymen usually have little idea what they're talking about, and that reading a newspaper report or editorial about a Supreme Court opinion is almost worthless for educating yourself on the issue.  Such articles may actually be misleading.  Even reading the actual opinion firsthand is not that useful, if you haven't been trained to read cases.  Science is the same; I know that newspaper synopses of peer-review journal articles are often misleading to the point of being nearly useless.
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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 12:44:28 AM »

And what continually amazes ME is that folks with backgrounds in science, law, medicine, history and from a whole heap of other walks of life continue to post on a BAD MOVIES forum.   Cheers

There's something poetic in that, I find...   Smile
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