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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2011, 02:22:00 PM »

^Thanks for the link. Do parents actually go this far as to look online to see what is suitable for their kids to watch? I grew up when Fox was just getting started & I'm fine.
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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2011, 02:35:04 PM »

I found this site: http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/2006/main.asp

It lists, for a decade of seasons, the best and worst shows for family viewing. Now I finally know what shows these stupid groups hate so I know what to watch. They are trying to warn people of explicit shows, but instead unintentionally give me ideas of what to watch.


They're trying to warn parents with children; they don't care what you watch.  Lookingup
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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2011, 02:42:49 PM »

I found this site: http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/2006/main.asp

It lists, for a decade of seasons, the best and worst shows for family viewing. Now I finally know what shows these stupid groups hate so I know what to watch. They are trying to warn people of explicit shows, but instead unintentionally give me ideas of what to watch.


They're trying to warn parents with children; they don't care what you watch.  Lookingup


THe fact is that these kinds of groups try to bring down awesome shows by saying "children can get exposed to them". So why the heck should we adults lose some awesome shows because of children? Especially us adults who aren't parents. Shouldn't parents be the ones responsible for what their children watch?
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2011, 07:32:07 PM »

While I am in complete agreement wth your anti-censorship stance vuk, sometimes I think these types of shows rely a little too much on shock value at the expense of story, plot and/or characterization.
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2011, 10:29:07 PM »

I think you have to plow through the crap to find really good stuff. But since this is a bad movie site, I think it's safe to say a lot of us like crap. I am a bit cocerned that evrything has been done. It's hard to shock people , when you can now use the S word on basic cable. I used it before in this forum and they censored it with those cool little stars. It's kind of fun to be controversal, but where is there left to go?
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« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2011, 03:26:43 AM »

Actually I recently started to watch Special Victims Unit and it shocks me that they use such plots as rape, child molestation, necrophilia...
I am shocked because, unlike CSI, they don't show it, only mention it verbally, and thus they can get away with it more than CSI can.

Yes, a lot of it is crap, but we are supposed to like crap shows, this is a bad movies site. I am not looking for intellectual shows that have artistic quality, I'm looking for shows that can entertain me. If I want artistic controversy, i'll watch A Clockwork Orange.

EDIT: The shock-factor in these shows is actually a good thing, because they slam a controversial topic in your face and say "there, we are exposing you to this, and you can do nothing to stop us". That is the stance I have against censorship, because they want to deny the existence of these things, they want people not to think of them, but nobody can limit your thoughts.
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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2011, 11:46:31 AM »

There's dealing with controversial topics and there's going for shock value. Dealing with controversial topics usually involves actually looking at the subject and discussing it in a mature manner; going for shock value usually involves going "LOOK AT THIS! AREN'T YOU SHOCKED YET?!" and usually not going into what the subject means in the real world.

Slam a controversial topic in my face and I'll ask "so what are you saying about it?" shows that go all the way with exploring the issue, I can respect at least a little. Shows that bring it up and then walk away, well, what was the point of bringing it up in the first place?
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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2011, 02:48:40 PM »

There's dealing with controversial topics and there's going for shock value. Dealing with controversial topics usually involves actually looking at the subject and discussing it in a mature manner; going for shock value usually involves going "LOOK AT THIS! AREN'T YOU SHOCKED YET?!" and usually not going into what the subject means in the real world.

Slam a controversial topic in my face and I'll ask "so what are you saying about it?" shows that go all the way with exploring the issue, I can respect at least a little. Shows that bring it up and then walk away, well, what was the point of bringing it up in the first place?

The point is to remind people that it exists and can't be ignored.
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2011, 03:04:27 PM »

Most people with access to a TV or the internet are already aware that such things are going on in the world. Without giving them a good reason not to ignore it by discussing its impact on real people in the real world, it is very easy to ignore. When it's not something that affects you, it's very easy to just sort of tune it out or completely fail to grasp just how serious a problem it actually is. If you draw people in and show them just how serious something is, maybe, just maybe, you'll get a few more people to not only pay more attention to it but to try to do something about it.
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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2011, 09:26:00 PM »

I found this site: http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/2006/main.asp

It lists, for a decade of seasons, the best and worst shows for family viewing. Now I finally know what shows these stupid groups hate so I know what to watch. They are trying to warn people of explicit shows, but instead unintentionally give me ideas of what to watch.


They're trying to warn parents with children; they don't care what you watch.  Lookingup


THe fact is that these kinds of groups try to bring down awesome shows by saying "children can get exposed to them". So why the heck should we adults lose some awesome shows because of children? Especially us adults who aren't parents. Shouldn't parents be the ones responsible for what their children watch?


That site is doing precisely what you say they should be doing: helping parents be responsible for what their children watch. 

When I was your age we didn't have all this coarse material available on TV, or access to all the hardcore rape/scat porn anyone 10-year old could ever ask for on the Internet.  Something like "Family Guy" or "South Park" would be available only in underground comics or movies; then, it seemed daring and controversial, not trendy and mainstream.  You shouldn't complain; you don't realize how "good" you've got it.   
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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2011, 05:52:50 AM »

I found this site: http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/2006/main.asp

It lists, for a decade of seasons, the best and worst shows for family viewing. Now I finally know what shows these stupid groups hate so I know what to watch. They are trying to warn people of explicit shows, but instead unintentionally give me ideas of what to watch.


They're trying to warn parents with children; they don't care what you watch.  Lookingup


THe fact is that these kinds of groups try to bring down awesome shows by saying "children can get exposed to them". So why the heck should we adults lose some awesome shows because of children? Especially us adults who aren't parents. Shouldn't parents be the ones responsible for what their children watch?


That site is doing precisely what you say they should be doing: helping parents be responsible for what their children watch. 

When I was your age we didn't have all this coarse material available on TV, or access to all the hardcore rape/scat porn anyone 10-year old could ever ask for on the Internet.  Something like "Family Guy" or "South Park" would be available only in underground comics or movies; then, it seemed daring and controversial, not trendy and mainstream.  You shouldn't complain; you don't realize how "good" you've got it.   


I'm probably gonna be saying the same thing in 30 or more years to a younger person. I believe in the future all medias will be just the way I like them.
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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2011, 01:32:52 PM »

I found this site: http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/top10bestandworst/2006/main.asp

It lists, for a decade of seasons, the best and worst shows for family viewing. Now I finally know what shows these stupid groups hate so I know what to watch. They are trying to warn people of explicit shows, but instead unintentionally give me ideas of what to watch.


They're trying to warn parents with children; they don't care what you watch.  Lookingup


THe fact is that these kinds of groups try to bring down awesome shows by saying "children can get exposed to them". So why the heck should we adults lose some awesome shows because of children? Especially us adults who aren't parents. Shouldn't parents be the ones responsible for what their children watch?


That site is doing precisely what you say they should be doing: helping parents be responsible for what their children watch. 

When I was your age we didn't have all this coarse material available on TV, or access to all the hardcore rape/scat porn anyone 10-year old could ever ask for on the Internet.  Something like "Family Guy" or "South Park" would be available only in underground comics or movies; then, it seemed daring and controversial, not trendy and mainstream.  You shouldn't complain; you don't realize how "good" you've got it.   


I'm probably gonna be saying the same thing in 30 or more years to a younger person. I believe in the future all medias will be just the way I like them.


Hopefully parents won't rely on the media to raise their children. Right now, doing so inadvertently teaches kids that violence is an acceptable answer to many problems in life and that in order to be popular (if you're a girl) you pretty much need to dress like a slut or (if you're a guy) be an a***ole. Thankfully, most parents actually parent and don't let TV and the internet raise their kids.
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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2011, 06:02:30 PM »

Hopefully parents won't rely on the media to raise their children. Right now, doing so inadvertently teaches kids that violence is an acceptable answer to many problems in life and that in order to be popular (if you're a girl) you pretty much need to dress like a slut or (if you're a guy) be an a***ole. Thankfully, most parents actually parent and don't let TV and the internet raise their kids.

Agreed.  However: parenting is only made all that much harder by having the media present and promote the images and models described above.  TV as it is now (I.E. censored at least during earlier hours to provide 'family' content)  presents a very persuasive picture of violence and sluttishness, among other things, as being the norm.  Now TRY to swim against that current as a parent: almost every thing you say is countered by the TV saying it is the way EVERYONE behaves or is expected to behave.  No matter how obviously untrue it is, the images portrayed are attractive and difficult to refute IF you are already having an uphill battle persuading a youngster that behaving in a respectable manner is to their own best interest.  And since lower standards are being called for here the solution to this is supposed to be the parent policing the TV more?  That'll work.  Lookingup

IMO in principle, this discussion is just a continuation of the atheism thread.  Perhaps it is providing vukxfiles with some much-needed therapy; but I rather doubt it.
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« Reply #43 on: February 21, 2011, 07:05:41 AM »

LOL, the TV has every right to portray anything it wants, and I love this. I love it's right to not care about children or anything. I congradulate TV for doing what it wants,a nd not being like some bible class:  Cheers

if you don't want to watch a certain show, turn the channel. If you don't want children so see a certain show, put a parental block (but I must tell you the child will see the show whether you like it or not, and this is a good thing because it is rebellion against censorship either from the TV'S or parent's side). And if you constantly tell your child they shouldn't see a show, the more they will want to see it and it will become an obsession.

When i was 10 years old, at school some of us talked about The Simpsons and a guy says his parents don't allow him to watch the show. i remember feeling the same anger as I do today towards such people. How is it normal for parents not to allow their child to see a show that isn't in any way inappropriate? At the time I watched the simpsons all the time with my father, I grew up watching the show.

The only thing I can wish for children with these parents is that they either go to someone else's house and watch a certain show, or watch it on the internet when their parents aren't looking. Parents who forbid children to watch something just because THEY don't like it are nazis. Thank Darwin (not God LOL) that my parents were never like this. My dad only had a problem with gay people being portrayed on TV, that's the only thing he found disgusting that I shouldn't watch. Now tell me is he right or wrong, and I know you can only say "wrong" otherwise I will be calling you homophobes.
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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2011, 08:42:49 AM »

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IMO in principle, this discussion is just a continuation of the atheism thread.  Perhaps it is providing vukxfiles with some much-needed therapy; but I rather doubt it.

If you don't like it then get out of the thread and never come back. This thread is about controversial shows, and if you don't like the subject then don't discuss it.

Seems a little harsh there, vuk.

I don't believe that she said that didn't like the subject. A little touchy, are we ?
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