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« Reply #105 on: April 22, 2012, 10:07:33 AM »

not really a flaw, but more of an observation

with all the adjustments Lucas has made with the Star Wars franchise frankly I'm a little surprised he didn't insert the ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn inserted at the end of Return of the Jedi...
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« Reply #106 on: April 26, 2012, 03:05:53 AM »

Not a plot point here, but some flawed science. In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia go outside with the ship with gas mask on to track the little creature (mynock or something). They don't yet know they have been swallowed by a giant creature. So, if they really thought they were on an asteroid, wouldn't they be wearing full spacesuits to compensate for the lack of gravity?
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« Reply #107 on: April 30, 2012, 12:18:07 PM »

Not a plot point here, but some flawed science. In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia go outside with the ship with gas mask on to track the little creature (mynock or something). They don't yet know they have been swallowed by a giant creature. So, if they really thought they were on an asteroid, wouldn't they be wearing full spacesuits to compensate for the lack of gravity?

In real life, yes.  In fiction they can wear whatever the writer/director/producer thinks is appropriate.  As long as it doesn't break the audience's suspension of disbelief it's ok.
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« Reply #108 on: May 01, 2012, 11:30:42 PM »

Not a plot point here, but some flawed science. In The Empire Strikes Back, Han and Leia go outside with the ship with gas mask on to track the little creature (mynock or something). They don't yet know they have been swallowed by a giant creature. So, if they really thought they were on an asteroid, wouldn't they be wearing full spacesuits to compensate for the lack of gravity?

In real life, yes.  In fiction they can wear whatever the writer/director/producer thinks is appropriate.  As long as it doesn't break the audience's suspension of disbelief it's ok.

I agree. That's the main reason I brought it up, because I don't like too much real science in my science fiction. I think that is a problem with almost all of today's science fiction. I also hate all the realistic military stuff that began with "Aliens." I loved the cheesy uniforms and cheap ray guns of the original "Battlestar Galactica." That's part of why I hate the newer one. It looks more like the Colonial Warriors are going to invade Iraq instead of attacking the Cylons.
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« Reply #109 on: May 02, 2012, 01:23:07 AM »

I made the enormous mistake of buying the 2004 release of the original trilogy that was enhanced to tie in with the prequels. What can I say? I didn't realize what I was buying at the time. The only one I can stomach is Empire because it is the least altered. Return of the Jedi is hideous. The complete reconfiguring of the band scene at Jabba's Palace is atrocious, and sticking Hayden Christensen (sic?) in at the end to show Anakin's spirit was unforgiveable.

I saw that there is a special edition of the original trilogy that contains both the 2004 abortion and the originals, completely unaltered. I must pick that up because I can't take the altered versions except for Empire.

OMG.  I watched The Return of the Jedi just a few weeks ago and I had no idea that they had inserted Hayden Christensen!  It has been well over a decade, maybe more, since I had seen the movie, and I thought it a remarkable coincidence to get an actor (Hayden) who looked like the actor they used at the end of Return!  You're saying that it was someone ELSE in the original version?  I feel seriously duped now.  George Lucas, eat my mucus.  I will have to hunt down the original versions now.
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« Reply #110 on: May 02, 2012, 04:02:24 AM »

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OMG.  I watched The Return of the Jedi just a few weeks ago and I had no idea that they had inserted Hayden Christensen!  It has been well over a decade, maybe more, since I had seen the movie, and I thought it a remarkable coincidence to get an actor (Hayden) who looked like the actor they used at the end of Return!  You're saying that it was someone ELSE in the original version?  I feel seriously duped now.  George Lucas, eat my mucus.  I will have to hunt down the original versions now.

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« Reply #111 on: May 03, 2012, 11:01:44 PM »

If it's the first time a person has seen "Return of The Jedi" and they haven't seen Episode II or III, they probably won't know what the hell is going on when they see Hayden's ghost at the end.
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« Reply #112 on: May 03, 2012, 11:18:45 PM »

If it's the first time a person has seen "Return of The Jedi" and they haven't seen Episode II or III, they probably won't know what the hell is going on when they see Hayden's ghost at the end.


You can solve that problem by watching them in Machete Order! http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html

This is actually a pretty good idea, if you take the point of view that the prequels exist, for better or worse, and the best you can do is fit them in where they won't detract too much from the originals. And if you leave out Episode I, you really don't lose anything important, but you do tighten up the story and get rid of most of the Jar-Jar, midichlorians, little Annie, pod racing and whatnot.
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« Reply #113 on: May 03, 2012, 11:35:33 PM »

It would be OK with me there was a way to digitally replace Hayden Christiansen with a better actor.
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« Reply #114 on: May 03, 2012, 11:38:03 PM »

If it's the first time a person has seen "Return of The Jedi" and they haven't seen Episode II or III, they probably won't know what the hell is going on when they see Hayden's ghost at the end.


You can solve that problem by watching them in Machete Order! http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html

This is actually a pretty good idea, if you take the point of view that the prequels exist, for better or worse, and the best you can do is fit them in where they won't detract too much from the originals. And if you leave out Episode I, you really don't lose anything important, but you do tighten up the story and get rid of most of the Jar-Jar, midichlorians, little Annie, pod racing and whatnot.

But... but if you skip episode 1, you miss out on all the awesomeness that was Darth Maul!  Remember that scene where he ...umm... or where... hmm... pretty sure he did something at some point. 
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« Reply #115 on: May 04, 2012, 01:39:07 AM »

as individual movies I love all of them except Episode 2........but when you're trying to peice them together, especially with the many changes Lucas has made, as as series of events with the happenings iwthin them directling resutling it just gives me headaches pointing out all plot holes/inconsistencies
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« Reply #116 on: May 16, 2012, 06:36:12 PM »

Yes this question is about one of Star wars most beloved characters, Chewbacca.

I have read many articles that say Chewbacca is a 200-year-old wookie from the planet Kashyyk.  What these articles don't clarify is where Chewbacca is 200 in Kashyyk years or Earth years.

I highly doubt Chewbacca is 200 in Earth year so it must be in Kashyyk years.

Kashyyk has to be an Earth-like planet that orbits a small red star.  And because its star is so small, then the golden radius for life is closer to it.  And with that, Kashyyk orbits much closer to its star, 2 to 3 times close than Earth is to its parent star Sol.

So with that, Kashyyk takes around 3 months to make a full orbit around its parent star.

So if that was the case, in Earth years Chewbacca is really around 70 years old.

This is not a conclusion, just an analysis.
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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2012, 11:53:39 PM »

Chewbacca really is supposed to be 200ish by Earth standards. 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chewbacca

He lived from 200 BBY (BY = Battle of Yavin) to 25 ABY (225 years, in other words).  Each year in there is 368 days with each day 24 "standard hours".  So almost identical to standard human calendars, coincedentally enough.

Humans just get the short end of the stick as far as life expectancy goes, apparently.  Though it might be noted humans with force powers can live Yoda-type lifespans too, so hey.
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« Reply #118 on: May 19, 2012, 07:41:52 AM »

This was probably already pointed out somewhere in this thread but R2 knew everything in ANH and doesn't bother to inform anyone.   That kinda makes him lose street cred in my eyes.
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« Reply #119 on: May 19, 2012, 09:23:04 AM »

This was probably already pointed out somewhere in this thread but R2 knew everything in ANH and doesn't bother to inform anyone.   That kinda makes him lose street cred in my eyes.

To me, it kind of puts him more on the level of Ben or Yoda, part of the trusted inner circle. He knows what's going on, he's in on all the secrets, and he's much more of an instigator of events than a sidekick. It's pretty consistent with his behaviour when we first meet him. He knows the situation, he knows where to go and who to see. And if he's privy to inside information that only a handful of people share, he has a better grasp of the situation than the princess does, even though she's sending him on the mission. Makes him into a bit of a mastermind, in my view.
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