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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2011, 11:13:29 PM »

Fox news is a dangerous right wing tabloid that passes itself off as real news. The reason it's so dangerous is because many Americans aren't informed enough in the first place to realize their reporting is biased. A lot of it stems from the fact that Fox tells the conservative average Joe exactly what he wants to hear. Unfortunately Joe Average is not educated enough to make an informed decision about the truth even if it isn't what he wants to hear. Fox news may come across to most liberals as blow hard idiots, but in reality they are a very clever and very dangerous organization, bent on twisting the truth to such a degree that they have actually convinced some Americans that they are the "real" news and everything else is just the so-called "liberal media." Don't underestimate Fox News, they are a giant propaganda spreading machine with they're own agenda. One that is not in the best interest of America.
And of course MSNBC is a PARAGON of fair, unbiased journalistic integrity, right? Lookingup
Why would you bring up MSNBC? Nobody was talking about MSNBC. Irrelevant. Indy, I know you know enough about intelligent debate to know that. I think I can hear your knee jerking from Arizona.
Well said.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2011, 11:41:38 PM »

Let me rephrase - Yes, of course, FOX tilts to the right.  That being said, most of the folks on there don't take themselves that seriously.  I thoroughly enjoy The Five and Bill O'Reilly, for instance.  The opinion shows are just that.

But the thing is, when you see your point of view and ideological convictions held up for ridicule and satire (and thinly disguised contempt and hatred, often enough) in the so-called "mainstream media" and on other cable networks, it is sometimes relaxing to go to a place that reports in a way that is sympathetic to your views and doesn't talk down to you.  It's like slipping on an old, comfortable flannel shirt.

That being said, you don't wear flannel all the time.  I do watch the major networks and read news online from a variety of sources.  But, when I'm waking up in the morning, FOX AND FRIENDS is a channel that will not make me start the day by wanting to throw a shoe at the TV.  And that's not a bad thing.  Life is stressful enough.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2011, 12:57:02 AM »

I do think people have a right to listen to whatever news they want. However the news is supposed to present the facts, not opinion. If an opinion based TV show is vague about what it really is, than the people who don't give their full attention to the news are most likely going to take the reporting as fact. Don't think for one minute the people at Fox News aren't aware of this and don't exploit it. I'm not putting down Republicans or Conservatives either, because this effects them as well. It makes the party look bad. It also promotes ignorance. While one could argue that it might be the uninformed viewer's own fault for not paying attention, it's also important not to be an enabler of ignorance. Americans deserve better.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2011, 11:45:30 AM »

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Let me rephrase - Yes, of course, FOX tilts to the right.  That being said, most of the folks on there don't take themselves that seriously.  I thoroughly enjoy The Five and Bill O'Reilly, for instance.  The opinion shows are just that.

Well, if they are a news agency they SHOULD take it pretty seriously. That's what I think the problem is: they DON'T take it seriously. I don't have a problem with O'Reilly. He can say whatever he wants and have whatever sentiments he wants, but I get the vibe that he just really makes it up as he goes along.

Comedian Christopher Titus made a joke about Sarah Palin, the basic premise being that if she were elected he would find a spot on a grassy knoll. Bill O'Reilly of course made an enormous deal about it, saying he was advocating the assassination of Sarah Palin, and that it is dangerous. Are you kidding me? He's a freaking comedian. He makes jokes. He never said "I'm going to kill Sarah Palin," or "Sarah Palin should be shot." He made a joke that got a laugh. O'Reilly didn't like that it got a laugh, and so he says he is advocating the assassination of Sarah Palin. I don't have anything against O'Reilly personally, I'm sure he is a fine American, but that's just beyond silly. Meanwhile, Ted Nugent can hold up a gun at one of his concerts and say "Hey Obama! You might want to suck on one of these, you punk!" And that's not a comedian making a joke and moving on to the next joke, that's a guy making a firm political statement, holding up an automatic weapon and telling the President to suck on it. Does O'Reilly have a problem with THAT free speech? Methinks not. But to the O'Reilly faithful, Titus is advocating the assassination of Sarah Palin, but Nugent is just expressing free speech.

Personally, I don't take ANY mainstream news agency very seriously.

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But the thing is, when you see your point of view and ideological convictions held up for ridicule and satire (and thinly disguised contempt and hatred, often enough) in the so-called "mainstream media" and on other cable networks, it is sometimes relaxing to go to a place that reports in a way that is sympathetic to your views and doesn't talk down to you.  It's like slipping on an old, comfortable flannel shirt.

Boo hoo. I hope you're not suggesting that Fox News doesn't engage in ridicule, satire, and thinly disguised contempt and hatred. They are in your camp, so therefore you find them more fair. I get it. And I also hope you're not suggesting that they are not every bit as "mainstream" as CNN. Goodness.

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That being said, you don't wear flannel all the time.  I do watch the major networks and read news online from a variety of sources.  But, when I'm waking up in the morning, FOX AND FRIENDS is a channel that will not make me start the day by wanting to throw a shoe at the TV.  And that's not a bad thing.  Life is stressful enough.

I'm glad that you do. I sure HOPE you don't take Fox News as a fair assessment of events, just like I hope nobody takes CNN as a fair assessment of events. It's actually quite difficult to find a news source that doesn't have an agenda.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2011, 08:32:35 PM »

Your last comment there, Flick, truly touched the Perimeter of Wisdom.

Something I learned from one of my college profs long ago that transfers perfectly well to journalism:

"There are NO unbiased historians."
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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2011, 09:12:01 PM »

another reason why people who watch Fox News are less informed about real news than people who don't watch news.
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2011, 09:24:50 PM »

another reason why people who watch Fox News are less informed about real news than people who don't watch news.

Eh, yes and no. With news sources, you've gotta check out more than one and you have to do some digging to get at the facts. Doesn't matter if they're right- or left-wing.
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2011, 10:33:13 PM »

I remember one night when I was about 12 or so and I was randomly channel surfing. I went to Fox News for a few minutes, and young me unknowing to the big news networks. Was convinced I was watching a news parody show.

Then I found out it was real.

That video is like watching an Onion video.
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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2011, 05:38:24 PM »

Muppets are clearly worthy of World-News status. Lookingup Sometimes living in this country is damn embarrassing.
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2012, 01:12:23 AM »

Muppets are clearly worthy of World-News status. Lookingup Sometimes living in this country is damn embarrassing.

or really awesome.

It is, after all, the muppets!


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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2012, 02:13:14 AM »

IMHO, Fox News is a breath of fresh air in the South African broadcasting scene so I ignore the BS* that sometimes pops up there and I enjoy people like Bill O Reilly and Sean Hannity getting their message out there.

* The BS I heard recently was the otherwise professional and not bad looking Megyn Kelly saying that pepper spray was "essentially a food product".  Buggedout Buggedout
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2012, 03:34:57 AM »

Really, the only viable solution is to put a news show on the air hosted by the Muppets.
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2012, 04:23:05 AM »

Really, the only viable solution is to put a news show on the air hosted by the Muppets.

I always thought Bill O Reilly looked a bit like Sam The Eagle.  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2012, 12:26:15 PM »

Your last comment there, Flick, truly touched the Perimeter of Wisdom.

Something I learned from one of my college profs long ago that transfers perfectly well to journalism:

"There are NO unbiased historians."

This is not directed at you personally, but there is a difference between bias and ignorance. There are lots of people out there who will systematically ignore all evidence that is contrary to their belief system. Some will even insist upon evidence that DOESN'T exist.

A perfect example of the latter is a coworker of mine. He is an elderly gent, and a sweetheart of a guy, but one who is plagued by a set of mental filters so biased as to be impossible to penetrate. Yet he considers himself an objective and open-minded guy. Every ill in the world can be blamed on cultural Marxism, I mean, every one. If you so much as hint at an opinion that deviates from his, he is almost invariably say that you are a product of cultural Marxism. This is his way of easily explaining away something as to avoid having to confront it. In his mind, cultural Marxism is a pointed and highly organized conspiracy that has undermined America. Virtually all social ills can be directly blamed on it. The day I revealed to him that the Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist, I witnessed one of the most dramatic rejections of evidence I have ever encountered. Here was an easily verifiable fact that cannot be denied by any rational person, yet he refused to accept it. He went so far as to accuse me of making it up. And yes, the conversation ended with him calling me a cultural Marxist and then clamming up.

Bias in unavoidable in human nature, and since history is written by humans, the evidence itself is biased, and this is even before the historians start interpreting it. I think it is important for anybody researching history to have an agenda, if for no other reason that to have a plan and actually be productive in the endeavor. Having a bias is okay too, we all have them. But if one starts rejecting evidence because it calls their beliefs into question, how can I trust that person's views or beliefs?

As for The Muppets, that was a damn enjoyable for a liberal brainwashing tool. Those cultural Marxists really know how to put on a good show.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2012, 06:22:43 PM »

You said absolutely nothing there that I disagree with.  The Muppets were indeed liberal with their hilarity!!!

On the first day of my history classes, I always use that quote about there being no unbiased historians.  But I immediately follow it up with - "Not all biases are created equal!"

Besides, everyone knows societal decay is Darwin's fault, not Marx's. TeddyR
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