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« on: February 10, 2012, 06:17:08 PM »

http://darkshadows.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Shadows_%282012%29

Wasn't sure if I should put this under good or bad (I guess we'll find out). As a fan both of Tim Burton's work and of the original series, I'm both excited and apprehensive at the same time. It was a smart move to set it in the seventies, although some of the actors seem either too young (Michelle Peiffer as Elizabeth, Johnny Lee Miller as Roger) or too old (Jackie Earle Haley as Willie) for their parts. Also, Johnny Depp as Barnabus...don't know how I feel about that.

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 06:23:44 PM »

Yipe.  Based on that picture I'm leaning towards bad, but I guess we'll see....I'd really like to start liking Burton again.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 07:56:39 PM »

I'm a huge Dark Shadows fan, but for me it's all about Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, Alexandra Moltke, David Selby, Lara Parker and all the rest.  The "filmed live" nature of it, the wonderful sets, theme music and overall atmosphere.  Just making a movie with the same character names and a few shared plot points is nothing more than a novelty act IMO.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 11:53:52 PM »

I watched the original as a very young pup; don't really remember any of the plotline.  My brother took me to see the bigscreen movie - I think it was called HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS - and I remember being angry that it did not line up with the events in the series at all!

I'm sure I'll check this one out, though.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 11:10:38 AM »

Ah. Damn. I wanna like it.
I won't.
I'm old.
OLD.
I liked Jonathan Frid.
I like Bela Lugosi too.
But I also like Christopher Lee.
They better do it justice,and not turn it into a stupid "revisioning" of...what the hell.
I won't like it. I won't watch it.
Called loyalty.
DAMN.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 01:12:34 PM »

I'm a real Tim Burton fan and I watched the original show in reruns so I intend to go see it. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2012, 01:20:48 PM »

Okay, please, you all know the answer to this already. I like Tim Burton okay when he's not re-envisioning stuff, but I only have to bring up Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sleeping Hollow and that should be enough for you. This is almost guaranteed to be horrid. If you absolutely must, don't go and spend your money and time on opening weekend, let it ferment a bit, and if it looks like it will go down well, then give it a go. Don't reward Burton for crap, as it will likely be. That's my two cents. I am hit or miss with Burton. When he hits, he hits hard, but when he misses, it is REALLLLLLY BAD.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 04:45:56 PM »

I have to disagree slightly with Flick. Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was less a remake of the Wilder film, and more Burton's envisioning of the actual book (parts of which is closer to Burtons film than the other film.) I like Burton's remake of that.

As for this film, he has a great cast. That alone is worth it. Depp, Haley, Pheiffer and the rest are all great.

I am a bit biased, as the only film by Burton I was disappointed by was Planet of the Apes.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 01:51:54 PM »

I have to disagree slightly with Flick. Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was less a remake of the Wilder film, and more Burton's envisioning of the actual book (parts of which is closer to Burtons film than the other film.) I like Burton's remake of that.

As for this film, he has a great cast. That alone is worth it. Depp, Haley, Pheiffer and the rest are all great.

I am a bit biased, as the only film by Burton I was disappointed by was Planet of the Apes.
I liked Planet of the Apes but it certainly was one of the most un-Tim Burtonish he has done.
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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 06:15:04 AM »

So, uh, Tim Burton is directing it,,

and Johnny Depp is in it,,,,


I dont care to watch it.

I'm with RC

I would rather watch the original tv series

even with the sets falling apart around the actors
fake sideburns coming unglued
actors forgetting their lines

to me, that is part of what draws me to the show
and the theme music
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2012, 02:53:26 PM »

I have to disagree slightly with Flick. Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was less a remake of the Wilder film, and more Burton's envisioning of the actual book (parts of which is closer to Burtons film than the other film.) I like Burton's remake of that.

As for this film, he has a great cast. That alone is worth it. Depp, Haley, Pheiffer and the rest are all great.

I am a bit biased, as the only film by Burton I was disappointed by was Planet of the Apes.

I understand that that it wasn't a remake of the Wilder film. That wasn't really what I was saying. Tim Burton has a tendency to re-envision things in general. I read the book and the Burton film took the usual Burton liberties, like he did with Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy Hollow had virtually nothing in common with the legend, and it was also an atrocity. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not as much of an atrocity for me, but I still thought it was pretty bad. It's just his tendency to take a beloved book/film/legend/etc. and insist on "Burtonizing" it. A notable exception to this, however, is Batman, which I happen to like.

Now, when he is making a film of his own, or one that is influenced or inspired by something, then he tends to have a much better chance of making a movie that I like, and he has made movies that I like a great deal. Ed Wood was fantastic, Big Fish was sublime, Edward Scissorhands is a classic, so he makes movies that I like.

However, when I see this movie and this cast, given my own (and it's my own personal thing) track record with him as a filmmakers, I am automatically set up for massive disappointment.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2012, 10:15:17 PM »

I have to disagree slightly with Flick. Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was less a remake of the Wilder film, and more Burton's envisioning of the actual book (parts of which is closer to Burtons film than the other film.) I like Burton's remake of that.

As for this film, he has a great cast. That alone is worth it. Depp, Haley, Pheiffer and the rest are all great.

I am a bit biased, as the only film by Burton I was disappointed by was Planet of the Apes.

I understand that that it wasn't a remake of the Wilder film. That wasn't really what I was saying. Tim Burton has a tendency to re-envision things in general. I read the book and the Burton film took the usual Burton liberties, like he did with Sleepy Hollow. Sleepy Hollow had virtually nothing in common with the legend, and it was also an atrocity. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not as much of an atrocity for me, but I still thought it was pretty bad. It's just his tendency to take a beloved book/film/legend/etc. and insist on "Burtonizing" it. A notable exception to this, however, is Batman, which I happen to like.

Now, when he is making a film of his own, or one that is influenced or inspired by something, then he tends to have a much better chance of making a movie that I like, and he has made movies that I like a great deal. Ed Wood was fantastic, Big Fish was sublime, Edward Scissorhands is a classic, so he makes movies that I like.

However, when I see this movie and this cast, given my own (and it's my own personal thing) track record with him as a filmmakers, I am automatically set up for massive disappointment.
I see what you're saying now.  I misunderstood.

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 05:59:26 AM »

Tim Burton is a continual disappointment.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a uniquely talented filmmaker, and he can be so good. There are times when he absolutely shines. Unfortunately, the only evidence I have is Big Fish. That movie is fantastic, and it contains everything I think Tim Burton can do well, if he puts his mind to it.

However, the dark side of Tim Burton is that he is a very lazy artist. At some point Burton decided his entire oeuvre was to take beloved kid's films and make them "Burton-esque." That special moniker involves him taking a popular franchise and adding on some weird notes and a monochromatic design aesthetic. It works for him because he's got a popular game actor (Johnny Depp) and a dedicated musician (Danny Elfman).

I still like Tim Burton, but it infuriates me that the only thing he does these days is lazy adaptations of things he loved as a child. He isn't a vital filmmaker, which he could be, he's a fashionista. So f**k him. I feel no need to watch another movie where he strokes the Burton-esque gimmicks he's been relying on for years.

Especially since other people with less money can do it better than him.

Okay, let me say it plain, Tim Burton has no ideas whatsoever. He's among the laziest of filmmakers, and he's coasting on making ideas that were not his own a little more flashy than they were originally were. My respect for him is dead.
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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 09:54:03 AM »

Mofo,

While your feelings are a bit stronger than mine, we seem to be on similar wavelengths. I've always thought as you do, that he is a waste not because he is talentless, but because he IS talented. And yes, I agree that Big Fish shows what he is capable of. I have similar feelings about Ed Wood, but not to the extent of Big Fish.
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 12:18:43 AM »

I love the original Dark Shadows series, and  I even like the short-lived series from the early 90's.  I don't care for Tim Burton movies, or very much of anything Johnny Depp has done for well over a decade.  I am obviously not too thrilled with this movie.  Curiosity may end up getting the best of me, and if it does I will rent it from Netflix, but I doubt I will like it.

Why is it that whenever they try to do Dark Shadows again, they just redo the same old story from the beginning?  Why not instead continue it from where it left off?

I think the best way to bring back Dark Shadows would be as a daily soap with unknown Shakespearian actors as the new generation of the Collins family and current residents of Collinsport, and a few of the original cast members resuming their roles as the older generation.  It should also be filmed live with few if any retakes, just like the original series.

The writers would also need to be careful to remain true to the style and feel of the original series and not try to turn it into something like "Charmed" or "The Vampire Diaries."  It would also help if they made use of a good portion of the original soundtrack including the theme.

I've always thought it was a crock when people involved with the show have said it needed to be cancelled because they were running out of ideas.  It seems to me that ideas could be endless for a show like Dark Shadows.

One saving grace is that even if the Burton movie sucks, it will just be one of an infinite number of parallel time universes that have no bearing on the events that took place in the original series.
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