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« Reply #120 on: March 22, 2012, 10:21:29 PM »

I've made this offer before, but let me repeat it for those who weren't there:
Proclaim me emperor of the entire planet, and I will solve ALL your problems.  Immediately!!!!
You have my word on it! TeddyR

Hey, I  thought I  was the emperor? TeddyR  It's always  amusing how threads on politics  deterioate on every  message board I have ever  been on since I first  came online a  little after  9/11. First, you have at least  two people  battling it out with long posts, links 'proving' their point. Second, you have the spell  and  grammar  checker who  seeks out every error  to make someone they  disagree with, but,  don't really want to engage, look  ignorant. Third, you have the 'moderate'  peacemaker, who really just wants to my liked and tries  to find a  middle  road. I have been One and Three, spell checking and grammar is not my long suit, I was  a math and science  major.  Cheers  Still, These  threads are always  interesting in that they usually end up with those  using the same tactics they say they abhor. It's all very human and the pundits, politicans and others we say we hate are just tapping into it.
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« Reply #121 on: March 23, 2012, 04:15:50 AM »

I've made this offer before, but let me repeat it for those who weren't there:
Proclaim me emperor of the entire planet, and I will solve ALL your problems.  Immediately!!!!
You have my word on it! TeddyR


I don't know, Indy. The current state of affairs is thus: I'm glad that the communication revolution that is the internet has democratized the porn industry. Of course, the downside of that is there is an entire generation who will never experience the joy of watching b-movies in the hope that there will be gratuitous nudity on display. (It's a lost art; let's not even discuss the demise of drive-ins.)

More importantly, funny pet videos are no longer in the thrall of the imperialistic "America's Funniest Home Videos."

But I have noticed that the price of beer is higher than it's ever been (not withstanding that unfortunate period in the 1920s). These are the issues that drive me as a human being, and I vote.

Basically, what I'm asking is whether your reign will include more videos like this:

Small | Large


If you don't support beer, naked ladies, and dogs playing the piano, I am against you. (I might still vote for you if all other choices turn out to be worse.)
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« Reply #122 on: March 23, 2012, 06:53:22 AM »

All of those, plus hamsters chewing on power cords!!!!! Cheers
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« Reply #123 on: March 23, 2012, 07:41:41 AM »

not to bash the founding fathers or anything but in retrospect: mild taxation with a king who lives on the other side of the ocean? not a terrible deal.
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« Reply #124 on: March 23, 2012, 09:49:06 AM »

not to bash the founding fathers or anything but in retrospect: mild taxation with a king who lives on the other side of the ocean? not a terrible deal.

The problem was not "mild taxation."

The problem was quartering of troops and the issuance of general warrants.  The colonists were on a path to enslavement by Parliament, and they saw it.  The government induced monopoly for the East India Company, to line the pockets of said Parliament politicians, was a big part of it, too.

The taxation taken alone was a small part of it.

Look at the Bill of Rights....not a single word about taxes.  Yet there's a TON of verbiage present regarding arrest, warrants, and the idea of the government taking what belongs to citizens.

Looked at in that light, yep, it was a terrible deal.
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« Reply #125 on: March 24, 2012, 03:40:23 AM »

I was talking to the man at the pharmacy about this acctually. We were talking about how here in Australia, Centerlink orgasination, to pay for the un-employed, students, and dissabled) has a health card for anyone on cente(a government rlink so they can pay for medication they need at a lower price, (as the centerlink fortnightly payment is $200 - $500 for those on job seeker allowence, not enought for medication and other things) All Priscription medication is a lot cheaper than normal. I was on centerlink for a bit and noticed that all my Prescription medication was cheaper, exsept for birth control.

The point I said to the pharmacist was, if someone who obviously is not in a stabble financial situation to have children and is doing the responsible thing by taking birth control, why does the government not see helping pay for birth control will be a lot less money, compared to helping with food staps and what not for an unplanned child. It seems like the smart thing to do, for the parent(s) child and the government, is avoid this situations. Because a child does not just go away. Or is easy to deal with.

I sorta find it odd that birth control costs that much, but I don't know if she was put on a special type due to other issues she has.

Either way this guy who said she should make sex tapes to pay for birth control, is an idiot. People do not just have sex to make a life, and to him if it is that or the polar opposite off staring in porn, he needs his head checked.

Living Dead Girl, BTW, You get that  from the Rob Zombie song? Anyway, I agree, birth  control is  cheaper than the costs  of a baby, but, isn't self control and not govt control the cheapest  of all?  I mean if one wants  Govt to stay out of her uterus as  I saw a  T-Shirt once, then , what the hell is the Govt., Senate, let alone a  guy a radio,  commenting on it and why does this independent  person  need all these people if they truly want Govt. off their bodies? I'm no defender of Limbaugh or anyone else, but, the point he was making, albeit a bit crudely, if you want cash for your sexual activities, why not just make tapes of it and sell it? I want Govt. to do the least it can for me, just watch the borders, pay the cops, pave the roads, bomb the enemy, and stay the F#@k out of my life.

Yes it was from the rob Zombie song! And also because a living dead girl or person in general is a common theme for "Bad Movies" So yeah off course I was gonna choose that name xD

Self control is the cheapest off all is true with most things, like weight or other health concerns, But Quite honestly these are different times, people no longer wait till marriage and only have sex in order to have children,

I fail to see what the govt in america honestly exspects? It's not like everyone on birth control is Premiscous or whatever anyways, what if you live with your partner? What really made me angery about this dude saying "Make sex tapes to pay for birth control or just don't" is you have to wait till marriage (even if thats not what you believe in) or the polar opposite ! That is just the most disrespectfull thing against women I have heard. And the logic is so dumb I can not even begin to rant. And very un-realistic! Honestly what does the Govt exsepct?? Seriously? I understand the money side off it. yes it is exspensive But It seriously is not just people who sleep around who take it.

But I do admit I am surprised it costs $3000 a year, Considering Any kind off healthcare over here is Rarely that exspensive. (Medicare is a big part off that) I know some medication over there costs $700 a bottle. Here I can buy a months worth off all my regular stuff, and it may be $250 or less, Birth control will make that cost more, and I just found that odd. Not having an unwanted child is a health concern aswell. And I live with my boyfriend, We are not in a good place money wise. I think we are being smart about it, even if it does mean taking money out our small budget to avoid being over our heads with a human life that does not just go away.

Seriously thought this guy saying "make sex tapes to pay for it or just don't have sex!" Is to me very stupid (Yes I get the money part, his logic and way off thinking on the matter is just ... way below average.) Seriously? I honestly think he has something metally wrong with him, I am not trying to insult him. Maybe he should get help and then see how hard it is to pay for some medications. And best off all GET HELP!!! =/


OK, I’ve actually  met and done some work with ‘Zombie’ and his wife years ago, true  ‘horror  movie’ fans.  TeddyR

I agree people  are more impulsive and barriers  have dropped  in our secular Western society, but, if  one wants  truly to be independent, you can’t have  Govt. be your  Mommy and Daddy and then demand they  stay out of your life?

I find it highly disrespectful to men and women that  this woman has set herself up as  some authority  with her media and political allies that  ‘respect’ for women should be  paid for from someone  else rather than the adults  engaged in any  behavior. Seriously, where are  the calls  for Men to take  birth control seriously and why  aren’t these  direct participants  required  by law to  pay and take  responsibility, now, there’s your disrespect  to women.

This  goes way beyond  Limbo, Maher and any other dude  on radio, TV, or Congress. I’m a  single  adult and  certainly  sexually  active, never  once have  I asked anyone  for money for condoms or anything else  related  to my sexual  behavior due to the fact  that it’s  none of their  freak’n business and I want it to stay  that way.


People are capible off making their own decessions most off the time, There are idiots who can not be bothered using their head to make adults choices, about their actions and the actions consiqences. Before or/ and after. I think that is honestly what anoyed me about Rush Limbaugh, cause he did and had no clue what he was talking about.

Lesson off the day is... Freedom off speech is awesome, but when your stupid it's much better to be quiet. :)

BTW I must comment on how you and your wife worked with Rob Zombie!

He seems like one cool dude, He seems Very smart and laid back, like you can hung out with him like a normal dude, but he has interesting things to say! :D

But you tell me if he was cool or not??? I have met celebrities but never the ones I like, and normally I am unaware they are famous till after I tell people who I met. Those ones however are cool :)
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« Reply #126 on: March 24, 2012, 09:25:13 AM »

I was talking to the man at the pharmacy about this acctually. We were talking about how here in Australia, Centerlink orgasination, to pay for the un-employed, students, and dissabled) has a health card for anyone on cente(a government rlink so they can pay for medication they need at a lower price, (as the centerlink fortnightly payment is $200 - $500 for those on job seeker allowence, not enought for medication and other things) All Priscription medication is a lot cheaper than normal. I was on centerlink for a bit and noticed that all my Prescription medication was cheaper, exsept for birth control.

The point I said to the pharmacist was, if someone who obviously is not in a stabble financial situation to have children and is doing the responsible thing by taking birth control, why does the government not see helping pay for birth control will be a lot less money, compared to helping with food staps and what not for an unplanned child. It seems like the smart thing to do, for the parent(s) child and the government, is avoid this situations. Because a child does not just go away. Or is easy to deal with.

I sorta find it odd that birth control costs that much, but I don't know if she was put on a special type due to other issues she has.

Either way this guy who said she should make sex tapes to pay for birth control, is an idiot. People do not just have sex to make a life, and to him if it is that or the polar opposite off staring in porn, he needs his head checked.

Living Dead Girl, BTW, You get that  from the Rob Zombie song? Anyway, I agree, birth  control is  cheaper than the costs  of a baby, but, isn't self control and not govt control the cheapest  of all?  I mean if one wants  Govt to stay out of her uterus as  I saw a  T-Shirt once, then , what the hell is the Govt., Senate, let alone a  guy a radio,  commenting on it and why does this independent  person  need all these people if they truly want Govt. off their bodies? I'm no defender of Limbaugh or anyone else, but, the point he was making, albeit a bit crudely, if you want cash for your sexual activities, why not just make tapes of it and sell it? I want Govt. to do the least it can for me, just watch the borders, pay the cops, pave the roads, bomb the enemy, and stay the F#@k out of my life.

Yes it was from the rob Zombie song! And also because a living dead girl or person in general is a common theme for "Bad Movies" So yeah off course I was gonna choose that name xD

Self control is the cheapest off all is true with most things, like weight or other health concerns, But Quite honestly these are different times, people no longer wait till marriage and only have sex in order to have children,

I fail to see what the govt in america honestly exspects? It's not like everyone on birth control is Premiscous or whatever anyways, what if you live with your partner? What really made me angery about this dude saying "Make sex tapes to pay for birth control or just don't" is you have to wait till marriage (even if thats not what you believe in) or the polar opposite ! That is just the most disrespectfull thing against women I have heard. And the logic is so dumb I can not even begin to rant. And very un-realistic! Honestly what does the Govt exsepct?? Seriously? I understand the money side off it. yes it is exspensive But It seriously is not just people who sleep around who take it.

But I do admit I am surprised it costs $3000 a year, Considering Any kind off healthcare over here is Rarely that exspensive. (Medicare is a big part off that) I know some medication over there costs $700 a bottle. Here I can buy a months worth off all my regular stuff, and it may be $250 or less, Birth control will make that cost more, and I just found that odd. Not having an unwanted child is a health concern aswell. And I live with my boyfriend, We are not in a good place money wise. I think we are being smart about it, even if it does mean taking money out our small budget to avoid being over our heads with a human life that does not just go away.

Seriously thought this guy saying "make sex tapes to pay for it or just don't have sex!" Is to me very stupid (Yes I get the money part, his logic and way off thinking on the matter is just ... way below average.) Seriously? I honestly think he has something metally wrong with him, I am not trying to insult him. Maybe he should get help and then see how hard it is to pay for some medications. And best off all GET HELP!!! =/


OK, I’ve actually  met and done some work with ‘Zombie’ and his wife years ago, true  ‘horror  movie’ fans.  TeddyR

I agree people  are more impulsive and barriers  have dropped  in our secular Western society, but, if  one wants  truly to be independent, you can’t have  Govt. be your  Mommy and Daddy and then demand they  stay out of your life?

I find it highly disrespectful to men and women that  this woman has set herself up as  some authority  with her media and political allies that  ‘respect’ for women should be  paid for from someone  else rather than the adults  engaged in any  behavior. Seriously, where are  the calls  for Men to take  birth control seriously and why  aren’t these  direct participants  required  by law to  pay and take  responsibility, now, there’s your disrespect  to women.

This  goes way beyond  Limbo, Maher and any other dude  on radio, TV, or Congress. I’m a  single  adult and  certainly  sexually  active, never  once have  I asked anyone  for money for condoms or anything else  related  to my sexual  behavior due to the fact  that it’s  none of their  freak’n business and I want it to stay  that way.


People are capible off making their own decessions most off the time, There are idiots who can not be bothered using their head to make adults choices, about their actions and the actions consiqences. Before or/ and after. I think that is honestly what anoyed me about Rush Limbaugh, cause he did and had no clue what he was talking about.

Lesson off the day is... Freedom off speech is awesome, but when your stupid it's much better to be quiet. :)

BTW I must comment on how you and your wife worked with Rob Zombie!

He seems like one cool dude, He seems Very smart and laid back, like you can hung out with him like a normal dude, but he has interesting things to say! :D

But you tell me if he was cool or not??? I have met celebrities but never the ones I like, and normally I am unaware they are famous till after I tell people who I met. Those ones however are cool :)

Well, Alot of people  annoy me and say things I think are innacurate, however, I Freedom Of Speech is too important to put virtually any curbs  on it, based on my views.

I met 'Zombie' and  his wife, not mine, I'm not married.  Smile  I met them backstage at  an OZZFEST in NJ, 'Sheri', his wife has been in a  few movies he made including the brutal 'The Devil Rejects.'  Rob  and his lady were real nice and not nasty at all, I can say the same for 'Marilyn Manson' and Ozzy Ozborne, down to earth people, regardless of the image. It was a plus that Rob was a  huge Famous Monsters  fan and he was  awe of me that  I had hung out with Forrest J Ackerman, editor of the  classic monster  magazine of the 60's through the early 80's. He has  used images and thoughts  from growing  up on classic Universal and other  movies.
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« Reply #127 on: March 27, 2012, 04:13:13 AM »

Going through this whole thread, I have to say that I do not buy the idea that the media is biased in one way or another. I just don't.

Are specific media outlets biased? Yes. Of course they are, that's not even a question. However, the broad spectrum of political thought is now more supported than it has ever been. It's all out there, more than it has ever been.

So there are people who disagree with you getting airtime. Welcome to the world. But if you are imagining a conspiracy of bias, you're just cherry-picking arguments. Everybody is arguing all the time (as they should).

Conservatives say the media has a liberal bias, liberals say the news has a conservative bias. They're both right.

My opinion? The further you get from seeing things through a liberal/conservative bias, the better off you'll be. Join the real world, the actual real world. Jettison political grandstanding.
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« Reply #128 on: March 27, 2012, 07:52:49 AM »

Going through this whole thread, I have to say that I do not buy the idea that the media is biased in one way or another. I just don't.

Are specific media outlets biased? Yes. Of course they are, that's not even a question. However, the broad spectrum of political thought is now more supported than it has ever been. It's all out there, more than it has ever been.

So there are people who disagree with you getting airtime. Welcome to the world. But if you are imagining a conspiracy of bias, you're just cherry-picking arguments. Everybody is arguing all the time (as they should).

Conservatives say the media has a liberal bias, liberals say the news has a conservative bias. They're both right.

My opinion? The further you get from seeing things through a liberal/conservative bias, the better off you'll be. Join the real world, the actual real world. Jettison political grandstanding.

You don't have to buy it, many times it’s ‘free’ and govt. funded.  I think one has to differentiate from conservative and liberal and right and left-wing, although, liberals in today’s world seem far more accepting of their far-left folks than the right is of their extremists.  If one is on the Left, they need not cherry-pick, with exceptions of FOX News and five guys on radio; the media is biased, globally, on the Left. The reason being, in my view, cause the Left are better at appealing  to the basic human emotions of having the state being  ones' 'Mommy or Daddy.'  The problem also, in my estimation, as someone who has been  an anarchist, socialist and now a republican, and I'm not too sure I'll be staying even with the latter, is that academia is where journalistic ethics and procedure is learned and there is no question that it is decidedly Left-wing. There doesn't need to be a 'conspiracy.'     This will not change, unless and until, so-called 'conservatives' employ the same militant tactics the Left used for decades and even transcended thee collapse of the Soviet Union.
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