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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2012, 04:33:53 PM »

Mars Needs Moms
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If Disney does this too much, they'll need to resurrect Roy Disney.  That man could talk people to giving them more money no matter how much they lost. Wink

I think Roy can rest in peace.

For to think of the Walt Disney Company solely as a film company is to severely underestimate the company, as they are also into . . .

01. Consumer products. (Both for home and office.)

02. Cruise ships. (Including their newest, the "Disney Fantasy.")

03. DVDs and Blu-rays.

04. Film distribution. (They actually distribute films made by other studios.)

05. Foreign entertainment. (They recently bought into entertainment companies in India and Russia.)

06. Ice shows.

07. Internet groups.

08. Marvel comics. (The comic book characters soon to appear at a theme park near you.)

09. Meetings. Unproductive meetings. They can show you how to have a more productive meeting.

10. The Muppets.

11. Music. (Both publishing and recording.)

12. Pixar.

13. Publishing. (Both books and magazines.)

14. Radiio networks.

15. Radio stations.

16. Real estate development. (Part of Walt Disney World is to be given over to building million dollar homes.)

17. Resorts. (Both on-site and off-site, including their newest in Hawaii, which looks to be the next great travel destination.)

18. Retail stores. (Both domestic and foreign. Bath, Chester, Edinburgh, London, Plymouth, etc. And they just opened their first storie in Belgium.)

19. Stage shows. (Both on- and off-Broadway. "Beauty and the Beast," "Jake and the Neverland Pirates," "The Lion King," "Mary Poppins," "Newsies," "Sister Act," and "Tarzan," have been or are on stage. And there is talk about bringing "Aladdin" and/or "Finding Nemo" to the stage.

20. Thme parks. (Both domestic and foreign, including the newest one, which has yet to open, in Shanghai.)

21. Travel.

22. TV networks. (The Disney Channel is seen in over a hundred countires worldwide. Only The Comedy Channel and Nickleodeon are seen in more countires. And it is thought that the Disney Channel will surprass one or both this year.)

23. TV shows. (You have not seen Tim allen till you have seen Tim Allen dubbed into German for the German broadcast of "Home Improvement" on the German TV station RTL, which has the exclusive rights to show anything made by Disney and/or Pixar.

24. TV stations.

25. Videogames.

226. Weddings. (Exluding Las Vegas, Walt Disney World is the top wedding destination in the U.S. And believe me it is lot cheaper to get married in Las Vegas, then Walt Disney World and Disneyland, where the cost of a wedding begins at $5000 and can go into the six figures.

And for a company that earned over 40 billion dollars during the last fiscal year, any money lost from "mars Needs Moms" and/or "Princess of Mars" is chump change, which can then be written off onto films that earn a profit at the boxoffice.

And all this is  connected, which is why, when "Fortune" asked analysts, executives, and writer which American companies they most admired, only about a dozen companies were more admired that the Walt Disney Company.

No, the company was there long before any of use were born and will be there long after all of us are dead. No matter what results show at the boxoffice.

And, oh yes. Which Roy did you want? Roy E. Roy O. or the newest Roy who was named after his father and grandfather, but has a different middle initial.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2012, 06:12:01 PM »

Yes, Disney is much larger than they were in the 30's and 40's.  They can afford a few big losses; I was trying to make a joke.  I failed.  Sorry if it was in poor taste.

P.S.  I looked it up.  I was thinking of Roy O. Disney. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2012, 01:11:19 AM »

I was really excited about John Carter, especially when it was called 'John Carter of Mars'.  The trailers look fabulous.  But the reviews have been less than complimentary.  A friend who shares similar tastes in movies with me said that it would be a great 2 hour film, but at 3 hours it's tedious.  Too much dialogue that doesn't move the film along.

So I have yet to see it, opting for Wrath of the Titans on the weekend.  Someone else told me that it was more fun than Avatar, but I found Avatar as much fun as having a lukewarm hot dog inserted into my backside, so that would not be hard to top in the fun stakes.  With a bit of planning I will catch John Carter in the cinema before it is claimed by the abyss of ignominy.
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2012, 03:44:29 AM »

There used to be rules regarding production costs and grosses, not sure if they still apply these days. A movie must make twice its budget to come clean. Whatever it pulls in after that is pure profit for the studio.
After three weeks John Carter has made $254m worldwide (technically that covers production costs, but studios only get 55% from grosses), but a total of $500m is needed.

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Add on at least $50 million from DVD/Blu sales, and so forth.

You might wanna triple (or even higher) that number if you count Worldwide figures from DVD/Blu-ray sales/rentals.

For example, Showgirls made most of its money from sales and rentals. $100m (unadjusted) alone in the US, most likely twice worldwide. And this was back in the '90s.



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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2012, 03:53:42 AM »

Yeah, you're right about me underestimating Blu/DVD sales.  Thinking about it again...  I'd say in the long run that yeah, it does stand a chance at making money, with slow residual sales and TV/on demand licensing and so forth.  BTW, the budget of $250 million is the production - there's still marketing, which for a picture that big was probably in the $50-$100 million range.  So gross of $600-$700 million to break even.  And yeah, the rule of thumb is still the theatres overall take is around 50% of the box office.  Can vary a bit depending on how they do the release though, but that's the average.

But...  Then again, it's around $250 million total right now, and the domestic take is sinking FAST.  Looks like a world wide total under $400 million is likely to me.  We'll see though, not sure if all markets have opened for it yet.  It could quite possibly crack even or a bit better years from now, all told, but it's still a big disappointment box office wise either way.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 12:34:08 PM »

Small | Large


This might belong in another topic, but it is interesting.  Here's test footage for a canceled animated version of John Carter of Mars, made in the 30's.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 02:15:54 PM »


 There is no decipherable personality or vision behind the picture, akin to Finding Nemo and WALL-E; just slick movie-making. ... as empty and dumb a film as WALL-E seem as poignant as Kubrick.


Um.  Right.

If you just plain don't like these movies, that's your business; but, these blanket statements don't hold water.

Pixar has hit it out of the park so many times and so consistently it's hard to imagine it's just slick movie-making.  Stanton has been an integral part of almost every Pixar production at some level; he's a fixture and part of the core creative team, even in the early "Pre-Disney" days, that ushered in the success that led to later productions possible.  Lasseter gets the Lion's Share of the creative credit, but Stanton, Unkrich, Peterson and a few others get their's as well.

I think you underestimate Pixar's influence in the movie making industry...not only in animated films, but in general.  I'd argue Pixar and John Lasseter moving to Disney pretty much saved their dying film production wing.

I have not seen JOHN CARTER so I cannot comment on the thread's film; sorry for the hijack post.
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2012, 07:56:53 AM »

This was one off the best -if not the best- theatre experiences I've had this year. I haven't read the books, but I knew I was going to watch an old-fashioned adventure / space opera a la "Flash Gordon", and I had a great time. It had me thinking that we may have ended up having more of these kind of films if "Star Wars" (and its cheap knock-offs) hadn't monopolised the trend. I would have loved that.

So yes, it is predictable and there is room for improvement, but the acting and the filmmaking are surprisingly good for a genre film, and the story closes at a very promising moment. I was hoping we would end up having a franchise -how I hate that word-, but since I watched the movie all I hear is how much money Disney is going to lose because of this, so it's not likely. A pity.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2012, 12:00:45 AM »

This movie might of had the worst marketing campaign ever. Its almost like Disney wanted it to fail.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2012, 01:20:54 AM »

A friend who shares similar tastes in movies with me said that it would be a great 2 hour film, but at 3 hours it's tedious.
? It's 132 minutes including credits.
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2012, 02:09:00 AM »

I saw it the other night, and I wasn't looking forward to it. I don't think I had heard anybody talk about this movie, let alone say a good thing about it.

I enjoyed the hell out of it. I don't understand the visceral hatred. I thought it was great.

I had a really good time watching this movie. It isn't going to win any awards or anything, but I thought it was really good.

This is a fun movie. I recommend it quite a bit. It was great.
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2012, 02:25:36 AM »

Neville liked it...Mofo liked it...that's enough for me: no more doubts - I have to see this one.   Thumbup
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2012, 03:38:27 AM »

Darn, maybe I will track this down at a more regional cinema before it disappears from the big screen completely.
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