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« on: June 28, 2012, 10:49:49 AM »

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High court upholds key part of Obama health law

By MARK SHERMAN
Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court on Thursday upheld the vast majority of President Barack Obama's historic health care overhaul, including the hotly debated core requirement that virtually all Americans have health insurance.

The 5-4 decision means the huge overhaul, still taking effect, will proceed and pick up momentum over the next several years, affecting the way that countless Americans receive and pay for their personal medical care.

The ruling hands Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in approving the plan. However, Republicans quickly indicated they will try to use the decision to rally their supporters against what they call "Obamacare."

Stocks of hospital companies rose sharply, and insurance companies fell immediately after the decision was announced that Americans must carry health insurance or pay a penalty.

Breaking with the court's other conservative justices, Chief Justice John Roberts announced the judgment that allows the law to go forward with its aim of covering more than 30 million uninsured Americans.

The justices rejected two of the administration's three arguments in support of the insurance requirement. But the court said the mandate can be construed as a tax. "Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness," Roberts said.

The court found problems with the law's expansion of Medicaid, but even there said the expansion could proceed as long as the federal government does not threaten to withhold states' entire Medicaid allotment if they don't take part in the law's extension.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 11:08:25 AM »

Pretty much what I expected - no matter which way it went it was going to be 5-4.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 11:26:40 AM »

I think Roberts  is trying to save face as chief justice due to the Citizens United Ruling , glad someone on the court has a frigging conscience.


That's all I'm going to say about the subject other than  Yahoo!    Have fun with the hollering  match that's bound to happen over this.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 12:27:14 PM »

I think Roberts  is trying to save face as chief justice due to the Citizens United Ruling , glad someone on the court has a frigging conscience.


That's all I'm going to say about the subject other than  Yahoo!    Have fun with the hollering  match that's bound to happen over this.

I'M GOING TO YELL AT YOU FOR MAKING YELL AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink

I really have no idea why people wouldn't have health care, to expensive? My dad knows people who have been in major debt because they didn't have health care to pay for their health issues? Question Question I really have no idea why? To save money and not being able to pay for health issues that will debt them for a long time? Is it because that if the insurance companies get word that someone is handicapped that they'll make them pay more? If that's the case, then we just have to do the 'logical' thing and make the insurance company employees and CEO/boss(es) handicapped in the public, make the public laugh at them for being handicapped and let the company to be informed that they will have to pay more based on their own rules! Whose with me on this?TeddyR
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 03:11:44 PM »

My issue with this is that it is ONE MORE ENORMOUS EXPANSION of Federal Power.  Do we really want a government whose power to tax and spend is unlimited?  I am glad that he at least temporized the majority opinon somewhat by allowing that an individual mandate under the Commerce Clause was, in fact, unconstitutional.  But this opens the door for unlimited taxation on individual behavior.  The result will be more money flooding into Washington, more massive Federal spending and debt, and much less individual liberty for American citizens. The only hope now is that a new President and Congress will repeal the mess known as Obamacare and pass reform that doesn't burn a hole in our liberties.

Incidentally, the most prescient comment I have heard thus far was from Judge Andrew Neapolitano, right after the ruling came down: "What the court has ruled is that Congress' power to regulate trade is in fact limited, but its power to tax and spend is practically unlimited."
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 04:51:46 PM »

agree with Indy big  Thumbdown
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 05:37:42 PM »

Pretty much what I expected - no matter which way it went it was going to be 5-4.

What Rev. Powell said, but I expected it to be 5-4 to strike down all or most of what has been called Obamacare.

Though, I am not a bit sorry that the ruling went the other way.

One of the most interesting arguments against what the Congress passed and the President signed, I thought, was the mandate that people had to carry some form of health insurance. When--Heck!--we have mandates here in the state of Texas, where I live. I am mandated to carry auto insurance on my car, and if I don't, and I get stopped for any reason, I have to pay a fine for not carrying the insurance. I am mandated to get my car inspected once a year, so it can pass a state inspection. And if I don't get it inspected once a year, I get stopped by the police, and I have to pay a fine. Which has happened to me. Heck! If people are so against mandates, why don't they protest those mandates? Truly, not so much about mandates, but about the politics of the mandates.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how all this plays out in the future.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 06:03:10 PM »

my prediction: total disaster
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 06:23:25 PM »

One thing the Roberts ruling DID do, however, is paint the President as a total liar.  Obama insisted up and down that the penalty assessed under his law for NOT carrying private insurance was definitely not a tax, no way, no how.  Now it has been slapped with the "T-wprd" by the highest court in the land, and it is a tax with no loopholes and no exemptions, no Earned Income Tax Credit to shield lower income Americans from paying - and we ALL know how much Americans love having their taxes raised!  This could turn out to be the day that elects Mitt Romney President.
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 06:59:18 PM »


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Nothing sticks it to insurance companies more than forcing the entire population to buy their products.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 09:48:33 PM »

Dang, I should've saved that Edward Gorey poem I used a couple days ago in another topic for this. ("Things do not get better, but worse...")
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2012, 07:56:35 AM »

One thing the Roberts ruling DID do, however, is paint the President as a total liar.  Obama insisted up and down that the penalty assessed under his law for NOT carrying private insurance was definitely not a tax, no way, no how.  Now it has been slapped with the "T-wprd" by the highest court in the land, and it is a tax with no loopholes and no exemptions, no Earned Income Tax Credit to shield lower income Americans from paying - and we ALL know how much Americans love having their taxes raised!  This could turn out to be the day that elects Mitt Romney President.

Indy, I'm afraid that is just wishful thinking.  I have a feeling that Obama will end up winning the reelection.  People in general don't pay attention to the facts.  Name recognition trumps political ideas and promises to the uninformed and lazy voter.  Not to mention all of the deceased voters that will magically reanimate just to vote for Obama again.

As for the SCOTUS ruling, we have now opened Pandora's box.  The federal government now has the power to make you buy a commodity.  Now with all Americans being made to buy insurance, what will keep the companies from jacking up policy prices?  So much for individual liberty and deciding what is best for you.

We are growing into a country of sheeple without free thought. 

Choices are too hard for me.  Papa Government, please tell me how to live my life.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2012, 08:06:04 AM »

I live in Massachusetts, we have , as we all know, a very similar program here created by our last governor. My premiums have gone up not down. significantly. and my plan blows.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2012, 08:50:23 AM »

I live in Massachusetts, we have , as we all know, a very similar program here created by our last governor. My premiums have gone up not down. significantly. and my plan blows.

That fiend must be stopped!

What was his name, again?



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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2012, 12:07:17 PM »

Indy, this could be a good thing- my sister is Bipolar 1 and needs health insurance because she is sick. Now explain to me why not being able to have a health insurance choice is bad? See Obama wants people to have health insurance, not to have scumbags that doesn't have health insurance to make other people pay for his/her health issue(s) because he/she didn't have health insurance. And Lester- The end of the world isn't happening anytime soon, so stop acting like a child with "Total destruction". The way I see it is that you are overreacting to what Obama does based on your political stance- If Mitt Romeny did this, I Can't see you complaining about this- Hell, I would, IMO, see you congratulating him on this and bashing Obama for "not having this great idea". Lookingup
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