Roberts: "Take Your Medicine" (Drudge Headline)

[lester1/2jr]

El Misfit- my princples are the same no matter who is in power. as proof I just blasted the program that romney created in Massachusetts.

[Mr_Vindictive]

El Misfit,

I'm not pro-Obama.  I have a feeling that a lot of the people on this board who disagree with "Obamacare" also are not so fond of Romney.

As for your argument and the example involving your sister, I'm not quite sure how it applies.  My problem with the initiative is that it forces those who chose not to get health insurance to buy it.  Buying a PRODUCT should be voluntary and not a mandate from the federal government.  I have health insurance because I am lucky enough to have benefits through my job.  But, if I were to want to opt out of the insurance I should be able to without being hit with a TAX.  Especially after the president was so adamant that this was not a tax.  SCOTUS seems to think otherwise, as does everyone else.

I see this as a choice being taken away.  Government can't do much else right (trust me, I work in government) and I surely do not trust them with my well being and my insurance.  This is an issue that they should have no control over.  Don't ever tell me what is best for me.  I'd rather make an informed decision based on my experience and my life, not based on what the president says I need. 
 

[lester1/2jr]

here's a good summary http://t.co/OfQYDNSq


I've been knee deep in this stuff for the past day or so. Here's the bottom line as I see it

the good news is that people with pre existing conditions who couldn't get insurance will now be able to, it would appear. The bad news is that I cannot see how this is going to lower health care prices.

[HappyGilmore]

Couple questions and concerns about this:
Basically, I only had insurance in my life once, through my old job. I got unjustly fired and with my new job, I make maybe $950 a month. I can't afford insurance, what with rent, food, electric, phone, etc bills to pay.

How much is this 'tax'?

I haven't been to the doctor in five years. Last time I saw any medical doctor was an ER trip my boss paid for cause of a work accident.

I should go to the doctor again, as apparently I may have some kinda bipolar thing going on I was informed of. There's no way I can afford the meds.

[Nakuyabi]

I think it's safe to say "free" health care is going to be insanely expensive, atrociously run, and more subject to fraud and nepotism than ever. For examples of how this evil system works, see Canada (from which people who have the money regularly flee across the border here to get to the good medical care; I can only wonder where they'll flee now) and the UK (where people regularly get put on long waiting lists and suffer and die from delayed and inadequate care) and, oh yes, Romneycare in Massachusetts, which is one more reason why that state is a benighted hellhole where nobody in his right mind should want to live.

Of course, what people really think of this bill depends on how you phrase the question. Polls consistently show a substantial majority want it repealed, but if you ask about various parts of it (the no-pre-existing conditions clauses, etc.), you often see a more favorable response. It's similar to what happens if you ask people whether they want "free" ice cream: of course you'll get a mostly favorable response. However, if you ask them whether they'd like to pay for someone else to have "free" ice cream, suddenly the response is a whole lot more unfavorable. The two questions are one and the same, but a remarkable number of our fellow citizens are too dimwitted to realize this.

Bottom line: government health care will greatly boost the price of everything and benefit those "fat cats" those lying parasites in Congress pretended to be opposing, will be even worse in every way than anything that's wrong with the current system, and will be administered by the same bureaucrats currently running government schools and government post offices (into the ground). For my part, I'm voting all Republican this next election so that either this evil bill gets repealed, or else all the fools currently gloating over their evil triumph find out what it's like to have their health care administered by their political foes. (If government health care is so great, why did all the totalitarian scum who passed this atrocity shoot down an amendment that would have required them to be subject to it? Now you idiots who voted for them get to go to the back of the ever-lengthening waiting line, and serves you right.)

As in all other countries with such wretched systems, I suspect the only place we'll be able to get good service from now on will be from the black market. On the upside, with all the doctors currently considering bailing out from the system and all the Catholic clinics and hospitals that will be forced to close rather than violate their consciences, that's likely to be quite a substantial black market indeed.