Who should be the next president?

[LilCerberus]

Some people are lobbying the electoral college to change the results to the popular vote.

While stories of people being dragged from their cars & beaten up for supposedly supporting Trump are popping up all over the west.

I understand Al Franken didn't actually win his first election, he just kept calling for recounts until his opponent got fed up.

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure how most of the counties in Illinois voted for Trump and the state goes to Hillary because of the Chicago area. This is not popular vote, this is stacked voting. Chicago is a sanctuary city. Chicago has people voting for Santa. Chicago don't represent the whole state of Illinois.

If it wasn't for the electoral college the only places that would see representation is welfare cities like New York, LA and Chicago.

The exact same thing happened here in Virginia. Only a couple of blue counties.

Governor Terry McAuliffe tried to stack the decks by restoring voting rights to 60,000 convicted felons, first through a failed bill, then by an executive order that got overturned by the courts, and finally on a case by case basis using AutoSign.

[lester1/2jr]

indiana- the republican turnout is fairly even across those years though

[indianasmith]

Very true.  Conservatives are consistent, right?  LOL

[Jim H]

Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure how most of the counties in Illinois voted for Trump and the state goes to Hillary because of the Chicago area. This is not popular vote, this is stacked voting. Chicago is a sanctuary city. Chicago has people voting for Santa. Chicago don't represent the whole state of Illinois.

If it wasn't for the electoral college the only places that would see representation is welfare cities like New York, LA and Chicago.

Regardless, the electoral college is failing in its purposes anyways.  California and New York are mostly ignored as safe by the dems, just like Mississippi and Louisiana are mostly ignored by the republicans.  Just like 10 or 15 states determine the election these days.  And faithless electors are never going to change an outcome at this stage.  States and large portions of the population still get basically ignored, just for different reasons than if we didn't have it.  It'd probably be more useful in its intentions in a multiparty system or at least one with a less polarized political climate. 

[javakoala]

The election is over. Why not lock this topic so we can move on to subjects we all agree on, like sex and religion?

Yes, Skull, this was an attempt at humor. No statistics or rants required, thank you.

[El Misfit]

The only person I'm gonna miss from this presidency is Biden, he's a really genuine guy who's been through hell.

[kakihara]

Why....wont...this...thread....die?
I will not miss any of them, not obama, not biden, not paul ryan.  Im sure they will do as much as they possibly can before any of them are out, though,  theyll probably stick around, the parasites are digging in. I expect some crazy legislation to be passed in the next 2 months. I have been watching the media and the current admin pretend to respect the president elect. The stupid psychophantic media isnt handling rejection very well. "Its a white-lash", "hate crimes are on the rise", " how can the president function without  fair and unbiased reporting", " the american people need us", "we are the only people you can trust", "i promised i would leave the country if he won, but i need to stay because im so important and young people read my tweets".

[LilCerberus]

Why....wont...this...thread....die?
I will not miss any of them, not obama, not biden, not paul ryan.  Im sure they will do as much as they possibly can before any of them are out, though,  theyll probably stick around, the parasites are digging in. I expect some crazy legislation to be passed in the next 2 months. I have been watching the media and the current admin pretend to respect the president elect. The stupid psychophantic media isnt handling rejection very well. "Its a white-lash", "hate crimes are on the rise", " how can the president function without  fair and unbiased reporting", " the american people need us", "we are the only people you can trust", "i promised i would leave the country if he won, but i need to stay because im so important and young people read my tweets".

I've tried being reasonable with some of these people.
I've tried to address the fear & hurting.
And I'm not just being facetious when I tell them I've felt that way every day for the last eight years, and that I really am hear for them.
But they can't get past their own hatred, bigotry, ignorance and closed mindedness.

[Allhallowsday]

Trump has been a media figure for many years. 
I can remember when RONALD REAGAN's divorce decades before his election to the presidency was considered poisonous.  Now we'll have a president currently on his third wife.  We will have a president who has said some miserable things about his own behavior toward women.  We will have a president who is a reality TV star.  We will have a president who has been sued hundreds of times and is currently involved in many suits.  We will have a president accused by the justice department of discrimination at the dawn of his own business dealings.  We will have a president with no political experience.  We will have a president with a foul mouth. 

His so-called conservative values nor his political party (which did not want him) are not the reasons for the shock wave; see reasons above. 

[Allhallowsday]

Trump has been a media figure for many years. 
I can remember when RONALD REAGAN's divorce decades before his election to the presidency was considered poisonous.  Now we'll have a president currently on his third wife.  We will have a president who has said some miserable things about his own behavior toward women.  We will have a president who is a reality TV star.  We will have a president who has been sued hundreds of times and is currently involved in many suits.  We will have a president accused by the justice department of discrimination at the dawn of his own business dealings.  We will have a president with no political experience.  We will have a president with a foul mouth. 

His so-called conservative values nor his political party (which did not want him) are not the reasons for the shock wave; see reasons above. 

Lets end the topic... Trump won... Tread is now dead.

You mean "thread".  And it ain't dead. 

[indianasmith]

That's the thing that still saddens me:  An unrepentant serial adulterer, a flagrant liar who has been sued for fraud and for robbing his contractors of their wages multiple times, was elected with the overwhelming support of evangelical Christians.

We used to stand for values.  I guess winning trumps morality in today's church.

[Allhallowsday]

Apparently a vast segment of this country so despise liberal perspectives, Clintons, women, and particularly Hillary, and are so afraid, they have put blinders on to the lies of this demagogue. 

[RCMerchant]

I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.

[javakoala]

I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.

Exactly the attitude I have developed about the man, so, thank you, RC, for putting it into words. He's vile and gross and not what I really want as the image of America, but he isn't the grand evil the protesters are screaming he is.

And we have a system of checks and balances in this country. Instead of whining and vandalizing and threatening non-Clinton/conservative supporters with harm (or death), the protesters should be putting energy into making sure Trump's plans are help up in Congress. Vote out the people likely to tamper with abortion changes (or support whatever other dastardly plans the Right may unveil). Become politically active in a proper and constructive way.

Sadly, we live in a world of instant gratification and dream-world entitlement, so the destructive protests and foot-stamping continues.

[Allhallowsday]

I know that within this thread I compared Trump to Hitler.
I apoligize.
I've been re-reading William Shirer's the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich...and it made me remember just how utterly psychotic and dangerous Hitler was.
Trump is in NO way like Hitler-except in a few regards-
He knew how to manipulate the masses-to touch a nerve of those who felt that the had lost control of they're lives.
But what differs from Trump and Hitler in this aspect is that Hitler spoke to the masses as one of they're own.And-He was. He started as a nobody who rose to power from the streets. Hitlers vision was always the same,as evil as it was. He was a politician.And he truly loved Germany and truly hated Jews.
Trump had money from day one. He never broke a sweat or worked for political office. He flipped from being a Democrat to whatever he is now-has no vision,or even a plan. His only goal is to make money. He made his mark not on street corners or by staging public riots-but by being a TV personality. As far as being a bigot...I  think he says what he thinks his -for better word-"followers",want to hear. He flops on his own statements like a fish. I think he used the masses to get in office-and now that he's in,I think he's gonna flop on alot of what he said. He's in it for the money.
Hitler stated exactly what he believed and wanted to do in Mein Kamph..and damn if he did't do it.
Trump...he doesn't have any vision..except $$$ signs in his head.
And-as much as I dislike Trump,he's not evil. He doesn't  have the ..I dunno-VISION to be evil. It takes true charecter to be truly evil. Trump is kinda like..oh.. like a Boss Hogg kinda despicable.

Exactly the attitude I have developed about the man, so, thank you, RC, for putting it into words. He's vile and gross and not what I really want as the image of America, but he isn't the grand evil the protesters are screaming he is.

And we have a system of checks and balances in this country. Instead of whining and vandalizing and threatening non-Clinton/conservative supporters with harm (or death), the protesters should be putting energy into making sure Trump's plans are help up in Congress. Vote out the people likely to tamper with abortion changes (or support whatever other dastardly plans the Right may unveil). Become politically active in a proper and constructive way.

Sadly, we live in a world of instant gratification and dream-world entitlement, so the destructive protests and foot-stamping continues.

I don't agree with you guys exactly; I don't think Trump is "in it for the money".  He is in it to WIN.  To him it's a game.  He doesn't need money, but damn, he has made it clear he hates to lose.  He is an egotist: shallow, dishonest, and manipulative.  And like Hitler a demagogue.  Not bright, but smart enough.