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« Reply #1005 on: July 25, 2016, 07:57:36 AM »

And to clarify:

By 'assimilation,' I don't mean giving up their religion and cultural ties.  I mean living by our laws, not trying remake the US into what they left.

Agree but our education system is so wreck that too many believe that Assimilating means must give up religion/culture ties... then they suggest that leaning a second language at an adult age it hard. (just another lazy excuse). If I was visiting France it would make sense for me to learn to speak basic french. But if I was planning to live in France; I would think it would be expected for me to learn to read and speak french at least to the point that I can function in the country without bumbling around.

Unless your name is Hillary Clinton - Ignorance is not an excuse in law (and that's any law in any country!) I think it's cute that Hillary Clinton can get away with 'ignorance' (even though we know there was intent with the secret email server)


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« Reply #1006 on: July 25, 2016, 08:12:31 AM »


 (even though we know there was intent with the secret email server)


Buckle your seat belt for Round 2 of wikileaks.  Word going around it is some pretty bad stuff regarding the email scandal and by implication the subsequent cover-up/refusal to charge her.

Also, there has already been some mention in the ones leaked already referencing the email security issue.  I don't recall the specifics.  It will be widespread news soon.

It seems I have heard somewhere that Hillary should have never been a serious candidate for President. Where could that have been....  TeddyR

What a sh1tshow the Democrat Party has been exposed to be.  Take note every day 'average' Democrat supporter...this is the Party you've assigned your allegiance to. 

Now's your chance to stand up for what you really believe in and do like the alt-right has done to the establishment Republicans (every bit as corrupt).  Our side began it's house cleaning with supporting Trump.  Who is going to rise from the ashes of the DNC to try to rebuilt / save the party?

Can the party be saved?

And to think...a month ago the Big Question was "Can the R party be saved?"  Haha, I'm enjoying a bit of schadenfreude on this.  Every line the MSM has uttered for the past year is now at least suspect....as it should be when the press is in the bag for one party.
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« Reply #1007 on: July 25, 2016, 09:15:31 AM »


 (even though we know there was intent with the secret email server)


Buckle your seat belt for Round 2 of wikileaks.  Word going around it is some pretty bad stuff regarding the email scandal and by implication the subsequent cover-up/refusal to charge her.

I feel that some of these leeks were well known assumptions. We knew the Democrats cover-up and refused to charge Hillary. We also know the media (CNN and such) are lowballing all attacks. Really, do you think the media would be nice to Reagan if they discovered he had a secret server? Hell No!

My suspicions is the leak... I know they are pushing the Russia but I don't think they would leak this. What's the motive?

I won't be surprised if a Sander's fan leaked this. But I think the leak is more insider than that.



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Also, there has already been some mention in the ones leaked already referencing the email security issue.  I don't recall the specifics.  It will be widespread news soon.


I'm not sure I'll be that wide spread... so far the focus is Russia is the master of the leak and it's because they want Trump as president. I serious doubt Russia would leak this so we can elect Trump. Motive makes no sense, especially when Hillary was given 100 million dollars for the uranium deal (yet the act is not treasonous)



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It seems I have heard somewhere that Hillary should have never been a serious candidate for President. Where could that have been....  TeddyR

Again this is nothing new... Sure the emails sort of verify this feeling that most Americans don't understand why Hillary. I don't understand why Hillary (unless she blackmailed herself to the nomination).



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What a sh1tshow the Democrat Party has been exposed to be.  Take note every day 'average' Democrat supporter...this is the Party you've assigned your allegiance to. 

Depends how 'well informed are those supporters' right now I'm assuming they are starting to believe the Russians leak the emails because they (Russia) wants Trump for president. (And I don't see the logic in this one)


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Now's your chance to stand up for what you really believe in and do like the alt-right has done to the establishment Republicans (every bit as corrupt).  Our side began it's house cleaning with supporting Trump.  Who is going to rise from the ashes of the DNC to try to rebuilt / save the party?

Can the party be saved?


And part of me is thinking that the DNC leaked there own emails. Think of it, the information was already assumed. We know they are doing nothing to Hillary with her emails. We know most don't like Hillary. The leaks make the DNC more united to Hillary then the Republican party is united to Trump.

And it got people now thinking (maybe wanting to watch the convention) just to see what happens. What will Sanders do? Will the Democrats party be saved? Will Hillary look presidential with the email leaks...

~and~

I heard that there is a protest going on her VP pick... because he's not progressive enough... Really? This is a setup for those Never Trumpers, oh, we can vote for Hillary because her VP is protested by the progressive Democrats. It's a trick.


Sorry but more I think of this... I'm leaning towards a stunt because Hillary has nothing besides to try to look like the underdog.


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« Reply #1008 on: July 25, 2016, 09:44:11 AM »

I'm going to disagree with your hypothesis that this is internal and designed to gain sympathy for Hillary on the basis of such things like the body language and similar reactions to Wasserman Schultz being booed off the stage at the Florida delegation breakfast this morning.

The boogeyman seeking (Russia, etc) is more evidence it's real.  They are trying to deflect from the content of the emails and focus on "the messenger."  They are openly attacking wikileaks, when they've praised them in the past.

Also, the trending manipulations and tweet blocking going on at twitter and facebook is also telling.  They are trying to block visibility to the story.  And, the MSM over the weekend sat on it for 48 hours before mentioning it.

I don't think this is a planned false flag event at all.  If it was, it is a spectacular failure.  Hillary's support is plummeting and both the DNC and MSM are reeling from the backlash.  They'll not spin their way out of this. 

It would make no sense to false flag an attack on their own credibility; how then could they hope to sell the false flag stories and garner sympathy for HRC?
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« Reply #1009 on: July 25, 2016, 09:50:22 AM »

Interesting.  Nate Silver's election projection now show chance of Trump victory at 57.6% compared to 10.8% only one month ago.

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« Reply #1010 on: July 25, 2016, 10:02:58 AM »

I'm going to disagree with your hypothesis that this is internal and designed to gain sympathy for Hillary on the basis of such things like the body language and similar reactions to Wasserman Schultz being booed off the stage at the Florida delegation breakfast this morning.

That's ok to disagree...

I think it was a gamble that went wrong. Just like Ted Cruz gambled with his speech and ended up getting booed off the stage. I don't think Ted Cruz wanted to commit political suicide. But it happens because there are people that (I hate to say it but you know I'm right) that don't understand why people are flocking towards Trump.




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The boogeyman seeking (Russia, etc) is more evidence it's real.  They are trying to deflect from the content of the emails and focus on "the messenger."  They are openly attacking wikileaks, when they've praised them in the past.

Sure but the narrative is... Russia wants Trump to win because Trump is a friend of Russia (which is not true - there is no such evidence to support this).




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Also, the trending manipulations and tweet blocking going on at twitter and facebook is also telling.  They are trying to block visibility to the story.  And, the MSM over the weekend sat on it for 48 hours before mentioning it.

I don't think this is a planned false flag event at all.  If it was, it is a spectacular failure.  Hillary's support is plummeting and both the DNC and MSM are reeling from the backlash.  They'll not spin their way out of this.

This is why this email leak was so outrageous... Why? Because as silly as it sounds they are not living in the real world. I believe Rush will talk about the email's and I'll pee my pants if he agrees that the leaks seemed too convenient because so far they don't say anything that I don't already know.

On the other hand, if the emails leaked says. So and so is supporting Hillary because she's blackmail him for child porn (than we are talking about a leak).  I'm looking for those leaks because I like to know if she is blackmailing the party.



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It would make no sense to false flag an attack on their own credibility; how then could they hope to sell the false flag stories and garner sympathy for HRC?

Because Hillary starts off as a victim because evil Russia. And to imply Russia is supporting Trump.
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« Reply #1011 on: July 25, 2016, 01:01:19 PM »

I'm going to disagree with your hypothesis that this is internal and designed to gain sympathy for Hillary on the basis of such things like the body language and similar reactions to Wasserman Schultz being booed off the stage at the Florida delegation breakfast this morning.

After listening to Rush talk about it, I'm beginning to wonder that Obama released the emails to knock Hillary out without getting dirty in knocking her out. wow those Sanders fans were rough with Schultz... :D

Yeah, I'm assuming this but I believe Obama knows Hillary is weak and he don't want to get his hands dirty. I also think the leaks are giving Sanders a boost in popularity.

I'm not buying the Russians were behind that hack.
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« Reply #1012 on: July 25, 2016, 01:38:11 PM »

I think these email leaks will have a minimal long term effect and will be largely forgotten in a couple months. 
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« Reply #1013 on: July 25, 2016, 01:50:52 PM »

I think these email leaks will have a minimal long term effect and will be largely forgotten in a couple months. 

I would think so too... but the Sander's people seemed to voice a loud opinion against this... They were booing Sanders when he mentions "Hillary's Name."


Right now I'm wondering if Trump hacked the DMC and released the emails... (the thought of Trump hacking a computer is quite funny...)


But if Trump or any of his workers were responsible with the hack; the FBI would be on top of this like flies on poop. That's why I'm thinking Obama or his people did this, to put pressure on Hillary and make her drop. I think it's funny because I don't see Hillary walking away...

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« Reply #1014 on: July 25, 2016, 02:04:33 PM »

The Islamification of Sweden is complete:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547291/Sweden-s-deputy-PM-sparks-outcry-describing-9-11-Twin-Towers-attack-September-11-accidents.html

Will an Open Borders strategy bring this kind of thinking here, or does out country have the moral courage to stop it?
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« Reply #1015 on: July 25, 2016, 02:16:00 PM »


I think these email leaks will have a minimal long term effect and will be largely forgotten in a couple months. 


The real question is what damage will they do while they are in the popular consciousness.  And, they are doing a bit of damage now and people have only scratched the surface of what is in them.

They've been out 3 days and the DNC's chair has resigned and been boo'd off the stage by Democrat delegation from Florida.  Clinton has hired her to her campaign which is going to anger many Clinton supporters further.

Between Benghazi, accepting $$ from the Saudis, skating on crimes even the FBI admits she DID commit, her possible health issues and now her own party being discredited, Clinton's campaign is in trouble.

It remains to be seen how deep the trouble is, but my read is that she is done as a contender for president.  Her support is dropping fast and Trump has all the positive momentum right now.

If she officially gets the nomination (I'm beginning to doubt this, actually), she'll get a bounce after the convention, but I predict it won't be enough to offset everything that has come up in the last week alone.  Her bounce will be a bump and then she's done.

And don't forget, Assange says this leak is the first of at least three, with the next one coming soon and supposedly containing enough specific evidence for HRC's indictment.

We shall see.  I personally think you guys are underestimating the response to these leaks from the Left side of the aisle.  This is not about what Trump supporters think of the leaked emails; they were not going to vote for Hillary anyway.  This is about what Hillary and Sanders supporters think, and an awful lot of them are absolutely, unabashedly PO'd.
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« Reply #1016 on: July 25, 2016, 02:59:55 PM »

And for my next prediction (gee, this is fun), I have an idea how the MSM will spin this:



That's an image showing the fenced areas and No Free Speech / No Go Zones surrounding the Democrat Convention in Philly. No protesters in that image because they are not allowed inside a 'protective' circle.  So, some protesters are saying, "What's the point of protesting, then?" along with complaints about how their protests in Cleveland were visible to the delegations whereas in Philly they are not.

My prediction: The MSM will show images like like this and play it as "See! Our Convention is not heavily protested like the Republican Convention was.  We are more popular."

 TeddyR
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« Reply #1017 on: July 25, 2016, 03:13:16 PM »

Assange interviewed by Democracy Now and asked about the Russia sourcing:

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/7/25/exclusive_wikileaks_julian_assange_on_releasing

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In relation to sourcing, I can say some things. A, we never reveal our sources, obviously. That’s what we pride ourselves on. And we won’t in this case, either. But no one knows who our source is. It’s simply speculation. It’s, I think, interesting and acceptable to speculate who our sources are. But if we’re talking about the DNC, there’s lots of consultants that have access, lots of programmers. And the DNC has been hacked dozens and dozens of times. Even according to its own reports, it had been hacked extensively over the last few years. And the dates of the emails that we published are significantly after all, or all but one—it’s not clear—of the hacking allegations that the DNC says have occurred.



Also, notably, Glenn Greenwald was apparently on NPR decrying the Russia angle.

As a bit of 'spin,' the Russia angle is already starting to die.  Greenwald has some excellent reading in his Twitter timeline:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald

And, I think this photo was taken today - "Never Hillary" from Sanders supporters angry about the leaks:

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« Reply #1018 on: July 25, 2016, 03:24:57 PM »

I wasn't even thinking about Assange's comments. He's said a lot of crap in the past before though, so I wouldn't hold my breath. But yeah, that could be a bigger deal and sustain it into more damage.

I also think Clinton is a serious threat to Trump no matter what. She still polls way higher with blacks and hispanics and women, and I don't think that will change. That alone makes it close.  
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« Reply #1019 on: July 25, 2016, 04:19:13 PM »

The Democrat Convention is a laughing stock at this point, and it's only Monday.  Some samples:

* Sanders delegates chanting "Lock Her Up" when Clinton's name mentioned.

* 1000's of protesters (vs hundreds in Cleveland), even though they are held off by the fence.

* Speaker(s) openly boo'd.  Representative Marcia Fudge (OH), Convention Chair, openly interrupted during remarks.

* Vote on legitimacy of super-delegates called for "Ayes" yet folks are saying there were CLEARLY more "Nays."

The Proletariat in the Democrat ranks are rising up against the self-described "Betters" in the Party.  And everyone said it was going to be the Republican Convention that was going to be entertaining.

Just wow.

This captures the 'mood' as well as anything:

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