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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2015, 09:05:35 PM »

Someone needs to get their story straight!
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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2015, 02:44:05 PM »

Someone needs to get their story straight!
 
After Cecil, second lion poached by foreign tourist in Zimbabwe
...Reports that a brother of Cecil had been killed on Saturday were untrue, a field researcher said, but the news rekindled the fury of animal lovers that was sparked by American dentist Walter Palmer who admitted hunting down the lion on July 1.
A source at the national parks agency, who is not authorized to speak to the media, said a foreign hunter, whose nationality he did not disclose, killed the second lion illegally on July 3. The hunter had since left Zimbabwe, but police had recovered the lion's head and carcass...

http://news.yahoo.com/cecil-second-lion-poached-foreign-tourist-zimbabwe-parks-075427998.html


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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2015, 04:12:43 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/minnesota-man-killed-lion-keeps-low-profile-amid-055219642.html#

Zimbabweans baffled by foreign concern for killed lion

HARARE, Zimbabwe (AP) — While the death of a protected lion in Zimbabwe has caused outrage in the United States — much of it centered on the Minnesota dentist who killed the animal — most in Zimbabwe expressed a degree of bafflement over the concern.

Outside Zimbabwe's environmental and activist circles, however, the reaction been muted.

"It's so cruel, but I don't understand the whole fuss, there are so many pressing issues in Zimbabwe — we have water shortages, no electricity and no jobs — yet people are making noise about a lion?" said Eunice Vhunise, a Harare resident. "I saw Cecil once when I visited the game park. I will probably miss him. But honestly the attention is just too much."

An economic meltdown over the last few years has closed many companies and left two thirds of the population working in the informal economy while battling acute water and electricity shortages.

Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.


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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2015, 04:29:28 PM »

We truly live in the age of selective outrage.
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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2015, 08:33:35 PM »

Most people questioned in downtown Harare hadn't actually heard about the lion and said they were too busy trying to a living to care about it.

Well that makes the whole incident perfectly alright then.  Carry on.
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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2015, 10:53:32 PM »

I am reminded of an incident in the early 1990s, in which a mountain lion in a California park killed a female jogger, and the animal was then killed by park rangers. It was found the dead animal had left behind offspring, and there was a massive public outpouring of sympathy for its orphans. Quietly it was also pointed out that the woman the animal killed had been a single mother of a small daughter. While the predatory cat's young were soon to receive an outpouring of public sympathy, and financial contributions were made to the shelter caring for them, the media registered virtually no mention of the orphaned little girl, and a fund established for her among local banks got next to no donations. History repeats itself, of course, and a dead lion (a hunter killed by a smarter hunter) is stirring the pocketbooks of those in the First World who are truly enjoying their moment of retroactive outrage, while in the Third World country that set aside space for that lion to exist in the first place, people are in desperate trouble, and yet there's no outcry on their behalf. I think this incident, like the one from a generation ago, has exposed a lack of proper priorities in a great many people. Next year who will even remember a dead lion? Something new will come up to stir collective feel-good outrage.
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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2015, 11:52:23 PM »

I am reminded of an incident in the early 1990s, in which a mountain lion in a California park killed a female jogger, and the animal was then killed by park rangers. It was found the dead animal had left behind offspring, and there was a massive public outpouring of sympathy for its orphans. Quietly it was also pointed out that the woman the animal killed had been a single mother of a small daughter. While the predatory cat's young were soon to receive an outpouring of public sympathy, and financial contributions were made to the shelter caring for them, the media registered virtually no mention of the orphaned little girl, and a fund established for her among local banks got next to no donations. History repeats itself, of course, and a dead lion (a hunter killed by a smarter hunter) is stirring the pocketbooks of those in the First World who are truly enjoying their moment of retroactive outrage, while in the Third World country that set aside space for that lion to exist in the first place, people are in desperate trouble, and yet there's no outcry on their behalf. I think this incident, like the one from a generation ago, has exposed a lack of proper priorities in a great many people. Next year who will even remember a dead lion? Something new will come up to stir collective feel-good outrage.

I seem to recall this one.
Then, a certain talk show host got on the case, & things turned around very quickly.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2015, 06:55:50 AM »

... while in the Third World country that set aside space for that lion to exist in the first place, people are in desperate trouble, and yet there's no outcry on their behalf.

That space set aside for those lions to exist has a dual purpose: it not only protects the local wildlife, by turning those animals into a tourist attraction it also supports the tourist industry which many countries in Africa hope will be a key contributor to the growth of local economies - and employment.

So those desperate people will have more jobs available to them.
So foreign money will come into their area.
So others can become familiar with their conditions and perhaps be moved to do something constructive.

There is a bigger picture.  There are more lasting ways to help than handing out a few fish.
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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2015, 07:45:58 AM »

I don't have an issue with hunting, not even with trophy hunting if it is done legally and the fees and licenses are dedicated to wildlife conservation.

I do have an issue with luring an animal from a protected region to private land for the sole purpose of killing it.
It appears several laws were broken.
Agreed. I believe in hunting for food and clothing, and using managed populations of beasties for that purpose. Deer in Ohio, for one.
 
Just keep things in context, however. It's a lion. An animal. And what is happening, due to the self inflicted wounds caused by, and too our own species, has my first priority of concern. What happens to animals is more often the result of the rotten thinking we inflict on each other.
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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2015, 09:24:52 AM »

... while in the Third World country that set aside space for that lion to exist in the first place, people are in desperate trouble, and yet there's no outcry on their behalf.

That space set aside for those lions to exist has a dual purpose: it not only protects the local wildlife, by turning those animals into a tourist attraction it also supports the tourist industry which many countries in Africa hope will be a key contributor to the growth of local economies - and employment.

So those desperate people will have more jobs available to them.
So foreign money will come into their area.
So others can become familiar with their conditions and perhaps be moved to do something constructive.

There is a bigger picture.  There are more lasting ways to help than handing out a few fish.

You're very right, Newt, without populations of game animals there for sport hunting (again, I don't understand its appeal) many rural communities around the world, especially in Africa, wouldn't be able to exist.

RIP, dead lion, and if the dentist truly shot him illegally---innocent until proven guilty---major bad karma from me to him.

Now here's to hoping people put at least as much emotion into pondering the suffering of their fellow man as they have a lion, huh?

Anyone wanting to donate to help underage Mid-East war refugees:

https://www.unicefusa.org/donate/help-syrian-children?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Syria&utm_term=donate%20to%20syria

Pace, everybody!
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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2015, 01:50:56 PM »

Logically, crimes against humans are worse, of course, but people are simply jaded to man's-inhumanity-to-man. We expect it, it's just background noise. Killing an innocent animal for no good reason is a novel crime, and it is symbolic of the worst, most selfish aspects of human nature. Why spread our evil outside our own species?
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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2015, 08:35:44 PM »

I heard that some psychic talked to Cecil and the lion said; "I'm at a better place now."

Ok, I think the psychic is a nut because I have doubts that the lion would know what is a better place at the first place... PS, this psychic charges 75 dollars for 15 minutes... [wow I'm the wrong business because people are taking this psychic seriously]  

Hmmmmmmmmm for 2 dollars I could tell the people what the lion really thinks. (But I'll wait until somebody paid me the 2 dollars before I talk)
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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2015, 09:36:26 AM »

Well,here's another way to look at it...





Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.

So sorry about Cecil.

Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?

Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.

My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.

Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved” or a “local favorite” was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King”?

In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror.
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Protesters have called for the death of the hunter who killed Cecil the lion. Credit Eric Miller/Reuters

When I was 9 years old, a solitary lion prowled villages near my home. After it killed a few chickens, some goats and finally a cow, we were warned to walk to school in groups and stop playing outside. My sisters no longer went alone to the river to collect water or wash dishes; my mother waited for my father and older brothers, armed with machetes, axes and spears, to escort her into the bush to collect firewood.

A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead.

When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm.

Recently, a 14-year-old boy in a village not far from mine wasn’t so lucky. Sleeping in his family’s fields, as villagers do to protect crops from the hippos, buffalo and elephants that trample them, he was mauled by a lion and died.

The killing of Cecil hasn’t garnered much more sympathy from urban Zimbabweans, although they live with no such danger. Few have ever seen a lion, since game drives are a luxury residents of a country with an average monthly income below $150 cannot afford.
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Don’t misunderstand me: For Zimbabweans, wild animals have near-mystical significance. We belong to clans, and each clan claims an animal totem as its mythological ancestor. Mine is Nzou, elephant, and by tradition, I can’t eat elephant meat; it would be akin to eating a relative’s flesh. But our respect for these animals has never kept us from hunting them or allowing them to be hunted. (I’m familiar with dangerous animals; I lost my right leg to a snakebite when I was 11.)

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The American tendency to romanticize animals that have been given actual names and to jump onto a hashtag train has turned an ordinary situation — there were 800 lions legally killed over a decade by well-heeled foreigners who shelled out serious money to prove their prowess — into what seems to my Zimbabwean eyes an absurdist circus.

PETA is calling for the hunter to be hanged. Zimbabwean politicians are accusing the United States of staging Cecil’s killing as a “ploy” to make our country look bad. And Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet.

We Zimbabweans are left shaking our heads, wondering why Americans care more about African animals than about African people.

Don’t tell us what to do with our animals when you allowed your own mountain lions to be hunted to near extinction in the eastern United States. Don’t bemoan the clear-cutting of our forests when you turned yours into concrete jungles.

And please, don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger.

Goodwell Nzou is a doctoral student in molecular and cellular biosciences at Wake Forest University.

A version of this op-ed appears in print on August 5, 2015, on page A19 of the New York edition with the headline: In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions. Today's Paper|Subscrib
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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2015, 11:03:05 AM »

That is a different perspective, and one worth hearing.
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