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[Svengoolie 3]

Those gas shells were effective enough that insurgents were able to use them against our troops on several occasions.

Provide documentation and evidence from one non right wing source for o e attack like that.

The New York Times good enough?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/army-apologizes-for-handling-of-chemical-weapon-exposure-cases.html

Chrlorine gas is so easy to make it hardly can be called a chemical weapon, it could have been made my the rebels fighting the american invasion and  occupation.

[RCMerchant]

I like Benjamin Harrison because we share the same birthday. 

[indianasmith]

Those gas shells were effective enough that insurgents were able to use them against our troops on several occasions.

Provide documentation and evidence from one non right wing source for o e attack like that.

The New York Times good enough?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/army-apologizes-for-handling-of-chemical-weapon-exposure-cases.html

Chrlorine gas is so easy to make it hardly can be called a chemical weapon, it could have been made my the rebels fighting the american invasion and  occupation.

Except they recovered the shells and identified them with Saddam's munitions.

[RCMerchant]

I'm glad they bombed Iraq. Saddam was a scumbag who needed to die.
 But I do think that the main reason for us going in there was protecting our oil interests.
I mean- there are crazy bastards in Rwanda- but we ain't sending in the jet bombers.

[El Misfit]

Those gas shells were effective enough that insurgents were able to use them against our troops on several occasions.

Provide documentation and evidence from one non right wing source for o e attack like that.

The New York Times good enough?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/army-apologizes-for-handling-of-chemical-weapon-exposure-cases.html

Chrlorine gas is so easy to make it hardly can be called a chemical weapon, it could have been made my the rebels fighting the american invasion and  occupation.

I'm not following you; are you saying that a chemical weapon isn't considered a chemical weapon solely based on how easy it is to make?

[Svengoolie 3]

Several people die or are seriously injured by accidentally creating chlorine gas by mixing two readily available household cleaners. So what I mean is that chlorine is so easy to make it doesn't have to be a bug complex operation to make them. Any modern nation fan make chrloine gas, it's not like nerve gas.

Also so what if Saddam had chlorine gas?  So what? It's not a threat to america until we invaded his country to steal its oil. America has nuclear stockpiles, napalm and you just know some CIA or NSA labs have bioweapons squirreled away. Saddam had some chemical weapons anyone in the western world can make. Hell, in my area a guy cleared out a meth house by sneaking up to a window with a fan in it a few years ago, setting a table under it and creating a batch of chlorine gas that got sucked into the house resulting in a lot of meth heads in an ER. The news kept it low key as it was so easy to do they didn't want other people clearing out their own local meth houses.

[RCMerchant]

C'mon- Saddam makes Trump look like Jesus F. Christ. The guy was a scumbag.
Of course we're the ones who put Saddam there....but that's another can of worms....

[RCMerchant]

svengoolie - thats a good point. but before iraq he was good and at least he didn't occupy it. it terms of demeanor though I liked him. Our governor in MA Charlie Baker is like that. moderate republican who keeps himself out of the news.

RC - " No credit to Roosevelt for his policys that pulled us out of the Great Depression? Or defeating the the Nazis?"

the whole reason it was a "Great" depression was because his policies were so bad. and Russia gets most of the credit for defeating the nazis. and why exactly should we celebrate condemning eastern europe to the iron curtain ? the whole thing was a disaster and part and parcel of the bloody, horrible 20th century. millions dead

That is not only wrong- it's WRONG.
The Great Depression started in 1929 with the Stock Market crash. Hoover was President- the things that led up to that crash goes waaay back. So how did Roosevelt cause this?  

As far as Russia winning WW2-did Russia drop an Atom Bomb on Japan? Did Russia fight at Normandy? Or  carpet bomb Germany?
Did Russia fight on Iwo Jima? Or liberate France?
Russia protected Russia and took what the Nazi took for there own. That's all f**king Russia did.
 Russia was on Hitler's f**king side before Hitler back-stabbed they're ass!

[Svengoolie 3]

C'mon- Saddam makes Trump look like Jesus F. Christ. The guy was a scumbag.
Of course we're the ones who put Saddam there....but that's another can of worms....

America murdered more Iraqis than saddam hussein did. When asked how many people had died due to his invasion of iraq GWB blinked like a possum in a car;sa headlight, made a completely inaccurate estimate in an offhanded tone and shrugged, as if suprised that anyone would ask him that or even that he'd care enough to know. He admitted to being responsible for about 30,000 deaths in iraq and shrugged about it, even tho that guess of his was low it still shows how he could just blink and shrug at the thought of being responsible for 30.000 Innocent people dying.

GWB made america a war criminal nation, a nation that committed mass murder and robbery of another nation and helped create the islamofascist movement spreading thru the middle east.

[RCMerchant]

C'mon- Saddam makes Trump look like Jesus F. Christ. The guy was a scumbag.
Of course we're the ones who put Saddam there....but that's another can of worms....

America murdered more Iraqis than saddam hussein did. When asked how many people had died due to his invasion of iraq GWB blinked like a possum in a car;sa headlight, made a completely inaccurate estimate in an offhanded tone and shrugged, as if suprised that anyone would ask him that or even that he'd care enough to know. He admitted to being responsible for about 30,000 deaths in iraq and shrugged about it, even tho that guess of his was low it still shows how he could just blink and shrug at the thought of being responsible for 30.000 Innocent people dying.

GWB made america a war criminal nation, a nation that committed mass murder and robbery of another nation and helped create the islamofascist movement spreading thru the middle east.

I'm not arguing that Bush Jr. was a f**king imbecile- because I think he was.
I'm just saying I'm glad Hussan is dead. He was a piece of s**t.

Search Bad Movies Off topic political s**tfests to see my opinion on Bush. From when he was President. We got into some heated discussions, to say the least. This has been the 2nd election since I joined this board.
This board always makes me think.
I find many of your arguments valid. I also find many of Indy's arguments valid. And-believe it or not-Lester's arguments valid.
(wait a minute-no I don't. Lester's crazy Still love you, Lester  ).
But I don't blindly steer the left or right. I just drive.

[indianasmith]

The vast majority of civilian casualties in Iraq were inflicted either A.  By other Iraqis , B. By foreign fighters who crossed the border to STOP Iraq from building a pro-Western government.

As for stealing their oil, the whole point is we DIDN'T take their oil. 
One of the things that Trump b****ed about during the election cycle.

[lester1/2jr]

The vast majority of civilian casualties in Iraq were inflicted either A.  By other Iraqis , B. By foreign fighters who crossed the border to STOP Iraq from building a pro-Western government.

 the new Iraq isn't going to oppose Iran or support Israel, so if setting up a "pro western" government was the, goal that failed as well

RC-I guess it depends on your view of Hiroshima as to whether that was a good move or not. I didn't say we didn't participate in the european front I think most people would agree we finished the job there, but certainly weren't there for a lot of it. If we hadn't intervened with Operation barbarossa or whatever it was it i'd  guess the russians and germans would have eventually fought themselves out? who knows thuogh

most stock market crashes don't take 15 year to clear themselves up. putting price controls on tailors and slaughtering pigs didn't end it the policies were arbitrary at best.

(wait a minute-no I don't. Lester's crazy Still love you, Lester  Wink).

likewise

[Svengoolie 3]

The vast majority of civilian casualties in Iraq were inflicted either A.  By other Iraqis , B. By foreign fighters who crossed the border to STOP Iraq from building a pro-Western government.

As for stealing their oil, the whole point is we DIDN'T take their oil. 
One of the things that Trump b****ed about during the election cycle.

The people killed in iraq were killed because hussein was removed and authority was eliminated, which lead to anarchy, the US was still guilty of creating that anarchy. THE American invasion of iraq was a war crime and it will forever be a stain on america.

Thankfully the iraq people vehemently resisted america's attempt to rob their nation and caused the effort by bush, cheney and their corporate masters to fail.

[RCMerchant]

The vast majority of civilian casualties in Iraq were inflicted either A.  By other Iraqis , B. By foreign fighters who crossed the border to STOP Iraq from building a pro-Western government.

As for stealing their oil, the whole point is we DIDN'T take their oil. 
One of the things that Trump b****ed about during the election cycle.

This is true.
We were protecting our oil interests in Kuwait.
We didn't want to run Iraq- we just didn't want them trying to steal our oil.
Trump thinks we should have taken there oil.
Trump is f**king crazy.

[RCMerchant]

And the Bush's are from Texas.
Steal a Texan's oil? 
That's suicide.