Favorite President

[lester1/2jr]

My al time favorite description of the iraq war came from former RNC director Michael Steele, then speaking anonymously "It didn't work"

[RCMerchant]

Don't get me wrong- none of this is ethical.
The Bush's ain't getting no Brownie points from me.
I could give a f**k less about they're $$$ making machine in the Mid-East.
I just understand how it happened, and why.
It doesn't make me angry anymore, like when it first happened. Now I look at it as history- just like I will look at what's happening now as very interesting  future history.

f**k, man. I remember being angry at Nixon- and I was just a kid!

[RCMerchant]

I was never angry at Jimmy Carter.
I was never angry at Gerald Ford either. Poor Gerald (he's from Michigan, ya know). I felt sorry for him. He had to be President after Nixon. No wonder the guy was falling all over the place. He was having a nervous breakdown! Plus- a Manson girl tried to kill him! And some other crazy b***h!
The guy was a nervous wreck.
But I do think Ford was right in pardoning Nixon, in retrospect, because he knew the country had to move on- and loooong Nixon trials would destroy the country. So he was wise there.
It wasn't a popular move- he knew that. He wasn't  President because he wanted to be President.
But dragging out the Watergate s**t-with so many other things going on in the world at the time,-ya know He was right.
In fact- I think Gerald Ford was very under-rated as a President.

[indianasmith]

The vast majority of civilian casualties in Iraq were inflicted either A.  By other Iraqis , B. By foreign fighters who crossed the border to STOP Iraq from building a pro-Western government.

As for stealing their oil, the whole point is we DIDN'T take their oil. 
One of the things that Trump b****ed about during the election cycle.

The people killed in iraq were killed because hussein was removed and authority was eliminated, which lead to anarchy, the US was still guilty of creating that anarchy. THE American invasion of iraq was a war crime and it will forever be a stain on america.

Thankfully the iraq people vehemently resisted america's attempt to rob their nation and caused the effort by bush, cheney and their corporate masters to fail.

So you are THANKFUL the "Iraqi people"  (BS there, btw, over half the forces we fought in Iraq were from other Middle Eastern countries who were trying to STOP us from installing a more democratic government there) killed several thousand American soldiers?
Geez, you are every bit as hateful as those Westboro Baptist goons.  You should have joined the insurgency yourself.
Maybe living under Islamofascists for a year or two would give you an idea of what we were trying to STOP.

[RCMerchant]

I reckon my opinion of Nixon was influnced very much by MAD magazine (the best comic book ever made).
This is NOT from Mad- this is a poster from 1960!

[Alex]

I was never angry at Jimmy Carter.
I was never angry at Gerald Ford either. Poor Gerald (he's from Michigan, ya know). I felt sorry for him. He had to be President after Nixon. No wonder the guy was falling all over the place. He was having a nervous breakdown! Plus- a Manson girl tried to kill him! And some other crazy b***h!
The guy was a nervous wreck.
But I do think Ford was right in pardoning Nixon, in retrospect, because he knew the country had to move on- and loooong Nixon trials would destroy the country. So he was wise there.
It wasn't a popular move- he knew that. He wasn't  President because he wanted to be President.
But dragging out the Watergate s**t-with so many other things going on in the world at the time,-ya know He was right.
In fact- I think Gerald Ford was very under-rated as a President.

I have vague memories of reading or hearing somewhere that Ford pardoned Nixon because of the practicalities of the situaiton. He could never be put in a regular prison, and house arrest would have been the only alternative would have cost a fortune in security. Not sure if that is the truth or not but it sounded feasable.

[indianasmith]

That may have been a consideration; I think a big part of it was that a trial for Nixon would have ripped the country apart even further at a time when we were ready to start healing.

BTW, the movie FROST/NIXON is a brilliant look at this era of American politics.
I am old enough to remember Nixon, and Frank Langella captured him perfectly!

[RCMerchant]

I was never angry at Jimmy Carter.
I was never angry at Gerald Ford either. Poor Gerald (he's from Michigan, ya know). I felt sorry for him. He had to be President after Nixon. No wonder the guy was falling all over the place. He was having a nervous breakdown! Plus- a Manson girl tried to kill him! And some other crazy b***h!
The guy was a nervous wreck.
But I do think Ford was right in pardoning Nixon, in retrospect, because he knew the country had to move on- and loooong Nixon trials would destroy the country. So he was wise there.
It wasn't a popular move- he knew that. He wasn't  President because he wanted to be President.
But dragging out the Watergate s**t-with so many other things going on in the world at the time,-ya know He was right.
In fact- I think Gerald Ford was very under-rated as a President.

I have vague memories of reading or hearing somewhere that Ford pardoned Nixon because of the practicalities of the situaiton. He could never be put in a regular prison, and house arrest would have been the only alternative would have cost a fortune in security. Not sure if that is the truth or not but it sounded feasable.

I'm sure that would have been considered in his pardon as well. That's sounds right.
I'm sure Ford knew, whatever he did, was not gonna sit good with everybody.
But he did what he had to do- because he wanted to make that s**t history- and take care of other s**t that needed done at the time. The Mid-East was all f**ked up.
There was a gas shortage because s**t was so f**ked up.
I remember our local gas station (we had 1) never had gas.
That's why they guard our oil in the mid-east.  By hook or crook. Or war.

[RCMerchant]

In no way do I think Nixon was a good man. He was a sneaky, lying S.O.B.
But I ain't mad at him no more. It's history and he's dead.

[Allhallowsday]

In no way do I think Nixon was a good man. He was a sneaky, lying S.O.B.
But I ain't mad at him no more. It's history and he's dead.

Belly crawlin' faithless rat... 

[RCMerchant]

...grumble grumble...

(making grouchy old man sounds)

[Rev. Powell]

Hard not to be boring and vote for Abraham Lincoln.

However, IMO the most important man in American history is James Madison, but  not for what he did as President (although he was a good President).

[indianasmith]

Hard not to be boring and vote for Abraham Lincoln.

However, IMO the most important man in American history is James Madison, but  not for what he did as President (although he was a good President).

Madison was the "Father of the Constitution," no matter how hard he tried to deny it.