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« on: July 12, 2018, 02:46:41 PM »

 I had a theory about star wars that i'd like to ask about.

It's pretty well been established that the force is in a constant conflict between the light and the dark. Now it seems the conflict goes on forever because if one side wins, the other side basically just has to sit and wait for a ringer to come along and swing things to it's favor.

I mean the jedi win for a long time, a thousand generations as obi wan put it, and then the force pulls an immaculate conception and creates annikin skywalker, Uber force user, who was 'the chosen one" to bring balance to the force.

Uh, yeah, the force had been pretty much dominated by the jedi side, so, uh,did it occur to anyone that to balance the force things would have to swing to the sith side?

Soo, annikin skywalker swings things to the sith side and nearly wipes out the jedi side, but hey, it's cool because little luke will come along in 20 years or so.

SO LUKE pulls it back to the jedi side and POOF! Kylo ren comes along, but so does rey. Rey just has utterly inexplicable force powers apparently because the good guy side needed a ringer to win again.

So on it goes One side gets the upper hand, the losing side gets a ringer handed to them faster than you can say deus ex machina to swing things around, then the cycle repeats.

Ad infinitum.

So what I wonder is, do these champions of te force have any choice about what side they are on? I always thought annikin's fall was just not credible and he suddenly turned full sith way to fast and totally to be believed, but now, I wonder, did he have a choice? Did luke? Did kylon ren? Did rey?

Or were they destined or chosen by the force to be on the side they ended up on?
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2018, 05:31:37 PM »

Anakin went to the dark side because Darth Sidious telling him that he'll protect Anakin's wife and unborns. The only reason why Anakin followed through was because of a vision he saw of someone else who was pregnant and died with babies inside of the womb.

Luke had no idea what the Force was until Obi-won told him and about Vader. After seeing Vader kill his Obi-won, Luke stayed with the Jedi.

I don't know what Kylo's or Rey's story will take them.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2018, 07:25:39 PM »

Anakin went to the dark side because Darth Sidious telling him that he'll protect Anakin's wife and unborns. The only reason why Anakin followed through was because of a vision he saw of someone else who was pregnant and died with babies inside of the womb.

Luke had no idea what the Force was until Obi-won told him and about Vader. After seeing Vader kill his Obi-won, Luke stayed with the Jedi.

I don't know what Kylo's or Rey's story will take them.

Well, there was a bit more to it that that. Annie was born a slace, and the republic was ok witht that so right there he likiely had a grudge against the republic and by extension the jedi.

A weak fool jedi lets his mother remain in slavery but takes annie away from her.

Years later annie's mother dies in his arms after being tortured and dehydrated to death because that weak fool jedi left her on tattooine instead of telling that little gargoyle b*st*rd  to keep his word.

Annie falls in love but the jedi forbid it.

Later the jedi diss annie by not giving him the title master, falling right into palpatine's hands.

all in all it looks like annie was steered towards the dark side by force users knowingly or not. The bit with his children was just the last straw in a big pile.


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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2018, 09:09:58 PM »

I suppose Rey needs a new lightsaber now. Will she use Luke's old green one or build her own?
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2018, 07:40:38 AM »

Young Anakin said that he'll try to come back and save his mother. The writers wrote Anakin to have emotions, and the dark side preys on emotions.

Quigon wasn't a typical light Jedi, he was in the gray area, meaning that he probably mind warped the owner to get Anakin to train him. When Obiwan was in exile, he too did a mind warp on a stormtrooper (These are not the droids you are looking for)

To be honest I think you might be over thinking this destiny thing.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2018, 02:19:51 PM »

An interesting question.
This may clarify the issue, or it may just further confuse the issue.
From p.260 of Jason Fry's Star Wars : the Last Jedi.

"The Force could show you the future, certainly--but 'which' future. The one that was to be? Or, the one that you yourself would bring about, drawn to it helplessly? Even if it was the future you most hoped to avoid."

"Rey had learned that the Force was not her instrument--that in fact, it was the other way around."

". . . awareness of the Force wouldn't help you find the path through these branching twisting possibilities."
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2018, 05:58:21 PM »

Huh...and I thought The Force was just a means to an end...like any other super power. Villains and hero's are defined what they do with what they have, eh?
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2018, 06:52:44 PM »

"So the Force controlls your actions?"

"Partially. But it also obeys your commands."
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2018, 08:32:39 PM »

Young Anakin said that he'll try to come back and save his mother. The writers wrote Anakin to have emotions, and the dark side preys on emotions.

Quigon wasn't a typical light Jedi, he was in the gray area, meaning that he probably mind warped the owner to get Anakin to train him. When Obiwan was in exile, he too did a mind warp on a stormtrooper (These are not the droids you are looking for)

To be honest I think you might be over thinking this destiny thing.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2018, 08:44:28 PM »

Young Anakin said that he'll try to come back and save his mother. The writers wrote Anakin to have emotions, and the dark side preys on emotions.

Quigon wasn't a typical light Jedi, he was in the gray area, meaning that he probably mind warped the owner to get Anakin to train him. When Obiwan was in exile, he too did a mind warp on a stormtrooper (These are not the droids you are looking for)

To be honest I think you might be over thinking this destiny thing.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2018, 09:03:19 PM »

Young Anakin said that he'll try to come back and save his mother. The writers wrote Anakin to have emotions, and the dark side preys on emotions.

Quigon wasn't a typical light Jedi, he was in the gray area, meaning that he probably mind warped the owner to get Anakin to train him. When Obiwan was in exile, he too did a mind warp on a stormtrooper (These are not the droids you are looking for)

To be honest I think you might be over thinking this destiny thing.

Overthinkibg movies is what we do around here..  Smile


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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2018, 09:17:45 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2018, 10:05:35 PM »

Do force users have a real choice?
Though soft and natural is better, when ya gotta go, you gotta go. 
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