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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2018, 01:37:17 PM »


"Socialism works fine in western Europe and Scandinavia."
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(Maybe the way I wrote that was a little mean. Socialism, though, has never been efficient.)
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2018, 08:01:52 PM »

Socialism works fine in western Europe and Scandinavia.

Not quite.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2018, 08:27:27 PM »

Nice!  Thumbup
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2018, 07:49:42 PM »


Here's my rant, I think we ("we" as in people in general) complain WAAAY too damn much.

Gripe, gripe, gripe, whine, whine, whine! 

I mean, yes, we all have the right to say what we want, free speech and all, and NO I wouldn't take that awhile, but I also have to say I think sometimes we (and yes,  there are times I would include MYSELF in that list) need to take a tall glass of "Shut the f**k up and realize how GOOD you have it."

Seriously, look around you:  do you realize how AWESOME things would seem to someone who lived say, just a few centuries ago?  (Hell, probably even just a few decades ago?)  For example, go into the bathroom, pull a switch and what do you have?  Virtually ENDLESS water!  Wasn't too long ago if you wanted water, your ass would have to go outside and travel to the local well and get water from which would have God knows what was in it, transport it BACK to the house and drink that.  (Or get that nice fresh creek water!)

And yes, I know, even now someone's thinking of this place or that where the water doesn't "taste good", but I say with few exceptions (like Flint) I'd take my chances on the local water supply than I would most of the sources they had before indoor plumbing.

Or let's say you don't want to risk the local water... hey, fine, then you can go to this magical place that has TONS of drinkable items for sale.  Same place that has tons of FOOD you can buy and eat, none of this having to out HUNT or GROW your own damn stuff.  And hell, for the most part, you won't even have to wait that long to get it (unlike some countries where, if there even IS a store, you may have wait hours for a loaf of bread.)

But yeah, I get it though.... Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs... which basically says that when your basic needs for things for food, shelter etc, are meet then you focus more on the next level needs, and the level after.   But I wish more people would stop and reflect on how far we've come as a society, especially since there a lot of places still TODAY that don't have all the basic luxuries we take for granted.
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2018, 08:12:40 PM »

Those horror stories about the evil of socialism in Scandinavia  and western Europe conservatives fertilize their crops of voters with?  Yeah,  no.

Horror story: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/the-dutch-euthanize-their-elderly-and-other-scary-gop-lies-about-europe/254462/

The merciless sunlight of truth: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/euthanasia-in-the-netherlands-rick-santorums-bogus-statistics/2012/02/21/gIQAJaRbSR_blog.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95c0cb8d09b0
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2018, 09:29:14 PM »

Socialism is something most people flirt with in college, but Sven, it doesn't work.

Socialism rewards lazy people and penalizes exceptionalism. It imposes very high taxes on people, usually 50%-90%, so that they cannot get ahead. It promises free health care but the result is typically a sluggish medical system that leaves the sick waiting a long time for services. Socialism leads to inefficiency, a lack of productivity, it inflates bureaucracies to the point of bloatation, with many departments within the government existing just to manage the bureaucracies that were created like a chain reaction.

Far from bringing a forward-moving revolution, socialism stifles creativity and innovation, sometimes freezing a country in time (think Cuba) or destroying it from within (Venezuela). Honestly, when was the last time something world-changing came from a socialist nation? It doesn't happen. The greatness in the world comes from capitalistic cultures.

The Soviet Union imploded, yet Russia today has more billionaires than anyplace on Earth, that is unless China very recently surpassed Russia's tally, and I doubt there were many billionaires under the old Maoist state.

Think about China. Up til a generation ago people were going hungry in the People's Republic, and so the government tried an experiment: it let farmers keep and or sell any crops produced above Party-set quotas, and suddenly with that incentive food production soared. That cracked open the doorway and today while China is still run by the Party, it is thriving under an economic system that has seen socialism largely cut loose.

Socialism tends to give too few people too much power. From the Iraqi and Syrian Baathists, to Stalin in the Kremlin, to the hate speech laws of western Europe that have people afraid to freely express themselves, socialism has a dangerous track record.

History argues strongly against the feasibility of socialism, Sven, and you should respect history's verdict.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2018, 12:43:23 AM »

We had "socialism" in the 40's thru to the early 80'd because the great depression was caused by greed and selfishness. FDR initiaqted the new deal to regulate big susiness, especially banks and wallstreet, to prevent anpother one and [rotect the american p[ublic from the financial pwer houses who cared nothing for the majhority of america people.

The new deal worked, we had no economica crisis or meltdowns until after the republiscum party began destroying it under reagan (SPIT!).

We went straight into the  S&L bailout crisis, then it was one economic disaster after another, with massive sums of money being taken from the people and put in the hands of the ultra rich. The socialist protecting and regulations of the new deal worked, the ending of them triggered decades of hardship, stagnation and misery got most Americans and you can tell your arguments against "Socialism" to the facts.
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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2018, 04:06:16 AM »

Unfortunately runaway capitalism is just as bad as unbound socialism. Both systems have their merits and drawbacks, and it is a shame people can't settle on some happy middle ground.
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2018, 08:02:33 AM »

I think the best argument against socialism is the fact people who have lived under it have more often than not chosen to abandon it, and once abandoned it stays in the past.

Sven, you sound like Rush Limbaugh when you make up names for things. Hard to take you seriously when you sound like you're twelve years old. "Republiscum"? "Jack Prick"? You make yourself silly when I think you're aiming for profound.

And do you ever read your posts before you put them up?
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