ALL HELL IS BREAKING LOOSE AT THE CAPITOL!

[Allhallowsday]

Trump is a liar.  Trump is a fraud.  Trump is a coward.  Trump is a traitor. 

[zelmo73]

Trump is a liar.  Trump is a fraud.  Trump is a coward.  Trump is a traitor. 

Trump is still our President.

[zelmo73]

the same sort of chaos that ensued at the Capital will be taking place at all 50 state capitols

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/armed-protests-being-planned-at-all-50-state-capitols-fbi-bulletin-says/ar-BB1cEK0g?ocid=msedgntp

all of this could have been avoided if Trump didn't make bulls**t claims of voter fraud and encourage his cult members to raise hell at the Capitol building

Not in Alaska. They got the wrong address in the wrong friggin' city, for chrissakes! 

[zelmo73]

^You didn't read this, did you?^
^You just looked at the poster & decided it was BS, didn't you?^

It's true that you do stoop to whataboutism at times, and Democrats are quite reasonably tired of that at this point.  They've heard so many years of "But Hillary!  But Benghazi!  But emails!"  that it's hard to engage when someone tries to twist the subject around to old news that doesn't have a direct bearing on the question at hand.

What happened during the summer is what it is ... the matter at hand today is unrelated.  We could spend oodles of time deconstructing how .... nope!  Not going there.

Facts, as I see it:

1.  Trump and Giuliani incited the insurrection attempt, and the terrorists who engaged in it.   There is broad agreement with this point of view, from within and from without our country, on both sides of the aisle.
2.  Sure looks like some of the Capitol police were complicit, from what I have seen in videos and photos and articles.
3.  Hannity and f**ker Carlson and the rest on Fox continue to defend.   (I call him f**ker, yes.  That's my preferred name for him.)
4.  Republicans and Democrats both who defend or acquit the behavior that occurred before our country and BEFORE THE WORLD are complicit in it.

Lastly, and probably most importantly:

5.   Trump has been spewing hate and division for four years, and what happened last week was the inevitable fruit that would bear.   This is what Trump has been crying for, for years.   It isn't necessary that Trump explicitly drew up the battle plan that happened that day, or that such be proven.   He has been drumming that tune all along, trying to explode our democracy at each turn of the way.    This is squarely at his feet.  He has emboldened hate, bigotry, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and division every.  f**king.  Step of the way.

You're about as full of crap as that rushed vaccine that you keep trying to push on us like it's a cure for COVID or something. 

[Alex]

^You didn't read this, did you?^
^You just looked at the poster & decided it was BS, didn't you?^

It's true that you do stoop to whataboutism at times, and Democrats are quite reasonably tired of that at this point.  They've heard so many years of "But Hillary!  But Benghazi!  But emails!"  that it's hard to engage when someone tries to twist the subject around to old news that doesn't have a direct bearing on the question at hand.

What happened during the summer is what it is ... the matter at hand today is unrelated.  We could spend oodles of time deconstructing how .... nope!  Not going there.

Facts, as I see it:

1.  Trump and Giuliani incited the insurrection attempt, and the terrorists who engaged in it.   There is broad agreement with this point of view, from within and from without our country, on both sides of the aisle.
2.  Sure looks like some of the Capitol police were complicit, from what I have seen in videos and photos and articles.
3.  Hannity and f**ker Carlson and the rest on Fox continue to defend.   (I call him f**ker, yes.  That's my preferred name for him.)
4.  Republicans and Democrats both who defend or acquit the behavior that occurred before our country and BEFORE THE WORLD are complicit in it.

Lastly, and probably most importantly:

5.   Trump has been spewing hate and division for four years, and what happened last week was the inevitable fruit that would bear.   This is what Trump has been crying for, for years.   It isn't necessary that Trump explicitly drew up the battle plan that happened that day, or that such be proven.   He has been drumming that tune all along, trying to explode our democracy at each turn of the way.    This is squarely at his feet.  He has emboldened hate, bigotry, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and division every.  f**king.  Step of the way.

You're about as full of crap as that rushed vaccine that you keep trying to push on us like it's a cure for COVID or something.  

No one is pushing it as a cure. Anyone with at least half a brain knows its a preventative, not a cure.

[Rev. Powell]

Remember that insulting another poster might make you feel temporarily better, but it's not a convincing form of argument, and it diminishes your credibility in the future.

Rule #1:  Common Courtesy
Please be polite when posting.  Discussing movies is naturally going to lead to conversations with other people who do not agree with your opinion of a film.  One of the great things about that is that neither opinion is wrong, the film simply hit the right chord for one of you and failed to entertain the other.  You do not have to agree with everyone and a good debate is definitely an asset to the community.  Flame wars are useless, so rude and insulting behavior is not tolerated.

This thread really should probably be closed. If Andrew were still around, I doubt this would be allowed to continue. But I see no reason to lock threads like this--if we can discuss things civilly.

[Allhallowsday]

Trump is a liar.  Trump is a fraud.  Trump is a coward.  Trump is a traitor. 

Trump is still our President.

Not for lo-ong...

[Allhallowsday]

Trump says his rally speech before deadly Capitol riot was 'totally appropriate' 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-personal-responsibility-capitol-riot-totally-appropriate-rally-speech-165520877.html  


Facing likely impeachment — and the potential for criminal liability — for helping incite last week's deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol, President Trump on Tuesday sought to defend himself, saying the speech he gave at a rally shortly before the siege was "totally appropriate."

Speaking to reporters at Joint Base Andrews before departing for Alamo, Texas, the president was asked whether he accepted any personal responsibility for the events that left at least five people dead, including two Capitol Police officers, after a violent mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol Building.

"So if you read my speech, and many people have done it, and I've seen it both in the papers and in the media, on television, it's been analyzed and people thought what I said was totally appropriate," Trump replied. "And if you look at what other people have said, politicians at a high level, about the riots during the summer, the horrible riots in Portland and Seattle and various other places, that was a real problem, what they said. But they've analyzed my speech and my words and my final paragraph, my final sentence and everybody to the T thought it was totally appropriate...."

[lester1/2jr]

long story short: Pompeo is a former CIA head and he is trying to do CIA stuff as Secstate.

[LilCerberus]

I haven't seen this anywhere else, on any nooz show at all... Might've cooled a few jets!

http://youtu.be/pjKXvqSNIkk

[RCMerchant]

 
"break it up, porcupine!"
It's over! Get a grip, old bean!

[indianasmith]

I wish Pence had stepped up and done the right thing and invoked the 25th.
But since he won't, at least maybe this impeachment - which has a lot better chance of passing than the last one - will make sure Donald Trump NEVER holds office again.  And best of all, he can still face criminal charges afterward for his little coup attempt!

[LilCerberus]

I wish Pence had stepped up and done the right thing and invoked the 25th.
But since he won't, at least maybe this impeachment - which has a lot better chance of passing than the last one - will make sure Donald Trump NEVER holds office again.  And best of all, he can still face criminal charges afterward for his little coup attempt!

The last one, half the yes votes came before they could even come up with any charges...
The current one won't be able to come until a few days AFTER he's out of office......

It won't solve anything other than satiate the anger of some eighty-one million people, which could incite the anger of seventy-four million people....

Think this through.

[indianasmith]

A President of the United States engineered a coup attempt against our own government.
People died because of his stupidity, arrogance, and insecurity.  If he does not face legal consequences for his treason, justice is dead.
And this same President was talking, until a week or so ago, about running again in 2024.
Our bitter, divided country DOES NOT NEED another Trump campaign, based on lies, hatred, and ignorance.
HE.MUST.BE.PREVENTED. from ever running again.  Impeachment is the legal, constitutional way to do that.

[LilCerberus]

A President of the United States engineered a coup attempt against our own government.
People died because of his stupidity, arrogance, and insecurity.  If he does not face legal consequences for his treason, justice is dead.
And this same President was talking, until a week or so ago, about running again in 2024.
Our bitter, divided country DOES NOT NEED another Trump campaign, based on lies, hatred, and ignorance.
HE.MUST.BE.PREVENTED. from ever running again.  Impeachment is the legal, constitutional way to do that.

He organized A march.
I have yet to hear any language from that day promoting violence or or a coup...

During his speech, he told the crowd to march peacefully..
He later tweeted, "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"

He later posted a video, he said, "I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us, But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order ... We don't want anybody hurt."

Any calls for violence or a coup, at least on Mr Trump's part, are entirely in the imaginations of the democrat party...