Movies were people miss the point

[wickednick]

You know, Nick, every post you've made on this thread, from your opener to your responses to the legitimate gripes of your fellow posters, has just plain dripped with condescention. You claim not to think you are better than we, but you talk to us like we're thrid graders.

That's a pretty high and mighty stance for someone who can't tell the word "are" from the word "our."

Ok listen a***ole,ive never claimed to be better than everyone else, I know for a fact I have no gramarical skills and can't spell worth a s**t, infact I have said this many times in my posts.I can be cynical and sarcastic towards people, but at least I refer to the subject at hand, not what kind of individual they are.You know some of the people that read this post actually got what I was getting at so why don't you let them talk and stop b***hing about my charector.

[Fearless Freep]

Iam the soon to be ruler of the world.you might as well bow before me now.

Not with that attitude, you won't be :)

Seriously though, the basic problem is that the premise is a decent one.  Sure there are movies that try to make a point and for various reasons that point is often missed.  As an aside, usually nine times out of ten the point is missed is because the writer or director either did a very bad job of conveying it, or it was really that cleve a point to begin with.

Anyway, from this premise, you gave example, but they are really bad examples. In the examples you give, the points of the movies are pretty obvious.

I don't know about the Tim Burton re-make, but you can't watch the original "Planet of The Apes" for more than about 10 minutes without being hit in the head with the social commentary they're making. Not only that but the movie came from a time where a *lot* of movies were doing the same thing, using sci-fi as a way of looking back into our own society (Logan's Run, Soylent Green, Star Trek,etc..) and that was following in a long standing tradition of doing the same in writing.  People would've been more suprised if that *wasn't* in PotA

As for "Signs", I've never even seen the movie and I know what the point was, simply because after the first few days the movie was out, that's all anyone talked about concerning it.  "The ads make it look like a sci-fi horrow piece but it's really about a guy who gets his faith back blah blah blah"  It was all over the place.

I don't know anything about South Park or Final Fantasy so I can't comment there.

So, your premise had potential, but with the examples you gave...If you think you're clever or observant for noticing the 'real meaning', I'm sorry but  they're pretty blatantly obvious.

[Conrad]

Not "were"; you mean "where".   "Where", "WHERE" "WWWHHHEEERRREEE"!!!!!!!

Movies WHERE  people miss  the point!

That's movies where - oh, hang on, I've missed the point, haven't I?

[wickednick]

Alright fine so I gave some bad examples.Sue me.The least you guys could have done is give some good ones of your own instead of criticising mine.I just named movies where I have actually found some people who missed the point of the movie.Yes im sure that everyone who is on this forum understands POTA or Signs, but the the world is not filled with elite minded movie viewers like us.Trust me when I say there are people who did not catch the point of POTA.If you guys have some better movies to mention, mention them but don't criticise my choices and not give any examples of your own.
And I already told guys I can't spell worth a damn.So lay off of it.
Oh f**k it.I'm sick of apologizing for my views on things.

[Grumpy Guy]

At the risk of belaboring the point...

You haven't really apologized for anything, Nick.  There are no apologies in your posts.

Of course, no one is asking you to apologize, either.  We just asked for clarification initially, and then responded to your clarification.  And I actually did mention a movie where I thought many people missed the point - Contact.

I missed any past mention of your difficulties with spelling.  It was a cheap shot, and I'm sorry.  There.  That was an apology.

[dean]

i'm with you wyckednick, many people i know also missed the point, or some points at least, of the films you mentioned.  believe it or not everybody, but there are some uncultured swine [ ;-) ]out there who are dumb as posts and don't get the point that some of these films are trying to convey.  

contact was another good example of a film people don't alwasys get, and if you are after some another example, i think that dreamcatcher is another as well.  the whole friendship/alien story i think confused a few people i know.

but it has been my experience that whilst many people have gotten the point of these films, they just didn't like it because they thought the point being made was 'stupid' [i think the points made in these films are great, but hey, i'm not in charge of the worlds opinions!]  these people tend not to move past the bad parts of a film [such as the weakness of the aliens in signs] and end up saying that they thought the film was stupid and they didn't like it, yet many i'm sure did get the point of the films at the same time, therefore coming across as ignorant and foolish.

that is what i thought the meaning of this post was, to explore the depth of why people didn't like these films because of the point made being overshadowed [in some people's views] by some odd plot points that didn't make sense.  

but hey, if i missed the point, then ignore my point-ridden post!

[George]

I think that several people missed the deep symbolism of "Dude, Where's My Car".  I mean, the car symbolizes the loss of freedom we all experience as we get older.  We spend lots of time wandering, piecing our lives back together to reaquire that freedom.  In the end, the journey to reach that freedom IS the freedom.  Once we realize that, we can get the gift from the back seat and all get laid.  :-).

Seriously, you can find deep symbolism in ANY movie if you look hard enough.  This type of thinking is the stuff from which conspiracy springs.  Just enjoy the films, kids.

[Conrad]

(Sigh)
Okay, yes, I am a Spelling Nazi.  It was shouted into me from age 5 that you HAD to spell CORRECTLY or people would shun you, hairs would grow on your palms, Evil would triumph over Good and the whole shebang, really.  I'm talking about my family there, not teachers.  And don't get me started on Pronunciation ...

[Scott]

You should read some of my post Conrad. :) They have unknown grammer, spelling, and yes even pronunciation if you could hear me speak.

[Fearless Freep]

You should read some of my post Conrad.

That should be posts :)

[Grumpy Guy]

I would apreciate it if you would refrain from directing foul language at me.  I have never cursed at you, and I expect the same courtesy.

I also apologized for the comment, in case you missed it.  Look a little further down on the thread.  If you still don't like me, fine, I can live with that.

But don't curse at me.

[wickednick]

Dean I applaud you.Im glad someone finnally got what I was getting at.

[Jim H]

We're not talking critics, we're talking normal movie goers..  The type of people who miss the "Inner beauty" point when watching The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[nshumate]

dean wrote:

> but it has been my experience that whilst many people have
> gotten the point of these films, they just didn't like it
> because they thought the point being made was 'stupid' [i think
> the points made in these films are great, but hey, i'm not in
> charge of the worlds opinions!]  these people tend not to move
> past the bad parts of a film [such as the weakness of the
> aliens in signs] and end up saying that they thought the film
> was stupid and they didn't like it, yet many i'm sure did get
> the point of the films at the same time, therefore coming
> across as ignorant and foolish.

Whoa, now I'm confused.

So the people who "got" the point, but disagreed with it and thought the point was shallow and weak, THOSE are the people who are ignorant and foolish?

Well, then color me ignorant and foolish.  Signs was a shallow and convenient treatment of faith.  It's a movie that stupid people think is smart.

[Flangepart]

"The life of David Gail"
Saw the anti-death penalty conclusion a mile away, did not need to be subjected to the propaganda treatis.
Then found out about the plot points, dureing a Jabootu thread, and was glad i'd not been Insulted by the stupid flick.
Point made. (Disagreed with point)
Point execution. (Seperate issue. From what i read, it was a blowhard quest, adiquatly acheved)
Lost me, therefor, on both counts.



Post Edited (10-30-03 11:01)