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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2004, 08:31:30 PM »

Not to be a dick or anything but THIS IS THE GEEKIEST THREAD I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!! and I've been a regular here on this board for over 3 years!

My geekiness has certain limits and boundaries and this thread f**king catapulted WAY over them!

My God people these are MOVIES!!
I would love to see Triumph the Insult Comic Dog just rip into you guys here on this thread!
I'll bet Wyrewizard and a few others here are one of those types that wears the Darth Vader costume to the new Star Wars release and dresses up as a Klingon to go to Star Trek conventions!

Ok now I'll step down off the soapbox.

Hehe!



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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2004, 09:11:06 PM »

ASHTHECAT:

Heh heh "GEEKIST".

Star Wars rules! I'll admit  WyreWizard did bring up some interesting points, but it's just a MOVIE!

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2004, 01:17:44 AM »

 WyreWizard, I'm just going to say this.

A mind such as yours should not be wasted on pointing out the scientific foibles of science fiction movies.  Go!  For the good of the world, and all humankind, we need a mind like yours working with the other mindblowing geniuses out there to fix the planet's problems!

For God's sake, go.
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2004, 09:54:43 AM »

Could also be that the gas giant's atmosphere would have dissipated the beam before it hit anything of substance.

Or just that it's more dramatic.

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2004, 11:11:43 AM »

What!?!  No ones going to complain about my proving Santa Claus does not exist!

Yes, this is a total GEEK thread.  I personally love GODZILLA movies.  I always knew that they were fictional and could punch holes in every "scientific" statement made in the films as well as reasons why the whole concept was just impossible.  But I still love the movies anyway.  For about 90 minutes, I could forget my studies in Mathematics, German, Greek, Physics and Theology and watch something that allowed me to shut my mind down.

The "complaining about the messed up science of a film" is also part of the fun of the movies.  (for some people that is)

So these discussions are just some of the ways we enjoy these films.  Not always is it a critical "dissing" of the movie.  It can be a way to discuss the story as well as find new ways to tell new stories.  (Just look at the explainations as to why the Empire didn't just blow up the planet.  There had to be a reason.  Even if it was just so George Lucas could just build up the climax of the movie)

And ASHTHECAT,  Those people in those costumes are the very reason why I DON'T GO TO THOSE CONVENTIONS.  There is just something strange about a person who puts on a set of pointy ears to watch a TV show.

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2004, 11:29:03 AM »

Jamtoy wrote:

> What!?!  No ones going to complain about my proving Santa Claus
> does not exist!

That's because you are so obviously wrong on that.  What's next, no Easter bunny or tooth fairy?  Or that a pay as you go social security system isn't financially stable over the multi-generational long term, without serious reform?
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2004, 12:35:14 PM »

what i dont understand

the empire strikes back

if they hit the millenium falcon during the chase before they went into the asteroid field, everybody is shocked and start to grab themself to prevent theirselves from falling on the ground. so there is some kind of gravity in it.. fine.
then when they escaped the asteroid field han solo sees a spot in the meteor/asteroid and leia agrees. she is standing behind solos chair.. suddenly solo makes a giant looping.. i mean is that smart? :) leia should fell on the ground big time and i guess she was hurt a lot  :)

its just a movie so it doesnt matter anyway :P
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2004, 01:39:36 PM »

The Easter Bunny scared me.

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2004, 03:23:59 PM »

Gotta go with ASHTHECAT andNiGHTS on this one.

Also, I made a joke film especially for people who can't watch a film with out noticing and talking about every flaw they see in films, especially whilst in a room with REAL movie fans (please note, none of these people are actually listening to you.) It didn't have a title, due to at least one person finding fault with the title name. And it was approximately 2 minutes long. A scientist says "The Earth is in great peril!" and someone replies to him "Don't worry, I have plan." The screen fades black then back to the two characters, where the scientist says "The Earth has been saved." The End.

What with so many whiners and flaw-spotters, this film by-passes many of the special effects and plot devices needed by regular films that would otherwise get moaned about.

A film is a film, a piece of entertainment. It's mean to entertain and NOT raise any questions. The films reason for existing is to entertain. It's not meant to be accurate no matter how serious the style is. If a film gets on your nerves because of inaccuracy, cheepness, etc., and you are unable to suspend yur disbelief and watch a film with a pnch of salt and pretend certain thing can be done, that certain environments can occur, etc., then maybe films aren't for you...
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2004, 04:50:27 PM »

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> Light-saber.  Now this is interesting.  A sword with a blade of
> pure energy.  It would be interesting if something like this
> were possible.  But sadly, its not.  And here's why.  The blade
> of a lightsaber looks like a laser.  So exactly how is this
> laser transmitted to only a short length?  

"I dunno... The Force?"

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« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2004, 01:26:06 AM »

Those aren't "flaws".  They're scientific innacuracies, which have no bearing in a fantasy film like the Star Wars movies.  Are you also going to claim that the Force is impossible and doesn't exist?  Or that there is no such thing as a wookie?

For that matter, notice how ridiculous the space combat is?  It's obviously modeled off of WWII era aerial combat.  Hell, spaceships make noise and BANK in zero atmosphere conditions.
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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2004, 10:27:00 AM »

Yes, it's not surprising that Star Wars came out just a few years after Midway.
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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2004, 10:38:23 AM »

Come to think of it, there are a remarkable number of similarities.  The first wave of fighters goes in and is completely wiped out before even making it to the target.  In Midway there's a guy who doesn't listen to the reports of where the Japanese carriers are and goes to a different place because he can "feel" where they are, just like Luke turns off his computer and uses the force to hit the exhaust vent.  And of course the Princess is sitting back at home base listening to the radio reports come in, just like on the carriers.
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2004, 11:04:28 AM »

Realistic space combat would probably not be nearly as much fun to watch. Dead silence, ships miles apart, drifting around and giving an occasional engine burst to change course. Without any nearby objects for reference, it might even be hard to tell that they're moving.

I always liked the approach Niven and Pournelle took to space combat in The Mote in God's Eye. Improved technology has pretty much taken all the finesse out of it. The energy shields are virtually impenetrable, but limited in how much energy they can absorb. So battleships just sit there with huge lasers focused on each other for hours until somebody's shields give out. The loser blows up. Can't remember if it's because the shield simply fails, or because the overloaded shield generator explodes, but it's the only way to destroy a ship. The colour of the shield gets hotter and brighter as it goes, which is an interesting way to tell the reader who's winning, or how grave the situation is.

Still, suspenseful as it might be, it wouldn't make for good action.

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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2004, 12:00:56 PM »

Oh, yeah...i gotta get in on this....
The Snub fighters. Why spend all that energy to cut square corners? A curved arc is easier to do. And may spend less energy. To cut it square, you have to deceletare first at the "Corner", then reacceletare to go elsware.
Just reorient the nose, fire thrusters, and you get an arc that can be "Jiggled" to complicate the enemy fireing solution.
And, it allows a ship with some atmospheric potential.
TIEs, for example, are rotten in "Soup", versis an X or A-wing. Interceptors are better, but even with an anti-graviry (Repulsor) system, well, thats energy consuming, and thr A-wing, not needing it to fly, can use more power for wepons and such. See what happens when you read Mike Stackploe's X-wing books?!
Ah, i'm in geek mode now!
The Death Star is made of supermaterials, is mostly empty space, and has is own gravity generators, add cathedrial like arcs, and you got a heck of a structure....nuff said.
The books explain what the movies asked us to take on faith. Lightsabers use energy fireld for the balde. I can live with that.
Owen Lars was a Moisture farmer. Moisture, guys...

And....i don't believe in the Easter bunny. Bugs bunny, on the other hand....

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