FAHRENHEIT 9/11

[Acidburn]

OH MY GOD!!!!
It all makes perfect sense now.

[Mr_Vindictive]

HA HA HA

Quite funny Freep.  :o)


As for Acidburn and seeing Bush say that Saddam is not a threat - Go buy a ticket to Fahrenheit.  You'll see him at a press conference saying exactly that.  No trick editing - no voice overs.  Just Bush being Bush.

[lester]

acidburn- you're dodging the question.  We didn't go to war because we thought saddam had three sarin gas things.  Rumsfelt said he had massive stockpiles of these and other weapons and that we knew where they were.  So if they say there are massive stockpiles and there are actually 3 canisters than it is a lie.

[Acidburn]

It is funny how I am dodging the question when I have said at least three times, why would (if indeed he had a stockpile) he just let them sit around so we could find them.
He had over a year to move any weapons he had.

As as for you saying take a look at the movie.  I would not believe ANYTHING that is in this piece of Bush hating crap.  It would be one thing if this film was done by a neutral party. But this man has said over and over how he hates bush and hopes this film will sway the vote.  How would you beleive anything he says after  he says he would do anything to see that Bush is not reelected.

[lester]

Well, he doesn't really SAY anything so I don't have to beleive it.  He shows the clip of Bush in front of the class as the country is attacked, shows clips of bush's interviews at his ranch, and interviews people around the capital.  I'm sure any factual errors he may have made will be pointed out.  I've seen a few and they didn't seem particularly significant.  Like the guy who's nephew went to iraq or whatever.  We wanted BIn Laden after 9/11, not saddam hussein.  We had no emotional investment of any kind in old saddam, he was old news.  

So you're saying that saddam hid his weapons of mass destruction before we got there.   Must be some hiding place.

[Mr_Vindictive]

Acidburn,

Now why all of the hate against Moore?  If this was Hannity or someone else from the right wing making a documentary about how Kerry is an all around a***ole, then you would be praising him.

Give Moore the benefit of the doubt.  Go watch the flick, and see just exactly what Bush says.  You can't deny what the man says.

[Fearless Freep]

making a documentary about how Kerry is an all around a***ole

I think, somehow, the meaning of  the word "documentaty" has been lost somewhere

[Mr_Vindictive]

Freep,

Sad but true.

[Acidburn]

Skaboi wrote:

> Acidburn,
>
> Now why all of the hate against Moore?  If this was Hannity or
> someone else from the right wing making a documentary about how
> Kerry is an all around a***ole, then you would be praising him.
>
> Give Moore the benefit of the doubt.  Go watch the flick, and
> see just exactly what Bush says.  You can't deny what the man
> says.
>

Now let me tell you a little something.  I HATE all politicians.  I feel they are all just a bunch of greedy bastards.  The only reason that I do not like more is because of the way that this movie has been made.  It takes clips that people say  out of context  to make it sound like they are saying something totally diferent.,  I have never heard Sean Hannity speak.  The only seaon Ieven know who he is, is because a local radio station bashes him all the time.  
I do not go by what a politician tell me to go by, I speak about my own oppinion.
I actually kind of like Kerry, at least he was smart enough to marry this VERY VERY rich women. :p
On another note I disagree with alot that bush says, but I do believe that this war was necessary.  A lesser of the two evils if you will.  we could go to war now and have some soldiers give their life fighting for something that they believe in, or we could have waited untill Saddam nuked LA  or somewhere and killed hundreds of thouseands of civillians.

[Mr_Vindictive]

I agree with you about politicans being greedy bastards, Acid.  Like I said in a post before, I'm not defending the left wing of politics cause they are just as corrupted.

As for Kerry I don't really care for him much either but, I do like him quite a bit better than Bush.  And, I think he picked a pretty good VP as well.

As for Moore, he does twist the facts, and his films are biased.  But the video clips don't lie.  And in Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore serves up some fairly effective clips.  I believe the most effective is watching Bush's reaction after hearing about the 9/11 attacks while visiting an elementary school and how he just sat there even after hearing about the second attack.  Quite Quite Quite effective stuff.

[Acidburn]

believe me I am not downing him, I recently watched 'Bowling for Colombine' A very interesting film.  It is just hey way that he is trying to use a film that is as one sided as this to try and influence people that do not know any better.
John Edwards is just a pretty boy, I think he belives since he is from the Carolinas that he will help carry the souths votes.   I have never really heard of him, I think he sould have picked Hillary.  :)

[trekgeezer]

Boy, I wish you guys would shut up about this s**t, Moore's film will not sway anybody who is not leaning that way already.  I don't want to put myself in the situation of defending any politician.

Bush screwed up going to Iraq, but I don't see that stiff Kerry being any kind of a saviour.   I get more disillusioned over this stuff everyday, everything is so biased these days that you don't have a clue where the truth is hiding among all the partisan bulls**t.

I rate all the pundits like Moore, Hannity,  and the others on both sides as certified dickheads. They  represent the extremes and I believe most people fall in the middle somewhere.  I am a fiscal conservative, but a lot of my social views would be called down right liberal.  I pray we get a candidate some day that has an ounce of common sense.



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[Mr_Vindictive]

Acid,

Well, I am from NC therefore I'm pretty familiar with Edwards' policies.  He seems to be one of the more honest ones, but one can never tell

[Mr_Vindictive]

Trek,

I agree with you to some point.  I believe that there should not be party lines, there should be ideas.  I believe that canadates should be voted into office by what they represent not which party they are with which in our current time is two completely different things.

[Fearless Freep]

I believe the most effective is watching Bush's reaction after hearing about the 9/11 attacks while visiting an elementary school and how he just sat there even after hearing about the second attack. Quite Quite Quite effective stuff.

From The Lies Of Michael Moore

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More interesting is the moment where Bush is shown frozen on his chair at the infant school in Florida, looking stunned and useless for seven whole minutes after the news of the second plane on 9/11. Many are those who say that he should have leaped from his stool, adopted a Russell Crowe stance, and gone to work. I could even wish that myself. But if he had done any such thing then (as he did with his "Let's roll" and "dead or alive" remarks a month later), half the Michael Moore community would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse. The other half would be saying what they already say—that he knew the attack was coming, was using it to cement himself in power, and couldn't wait to get on with his coup
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Easy to spin a video clip any way you want it, if you're trying to make it fit your agenda.

This is why I said the definition of 'documentary' had been lost.  I don't care if Moore doesn't like Bush.  That's his right as an American.  But he's on a political carade masquarading as a "documentary film-maker" and if he was honest he'd fess up and admit his stuff it notably twisted.

A real documentary about te events before and after 9/11 would probably be pretty interesting; but I think I'd enjoy it more on History Channel than in the silver screen, by people who were actually interested in documenting for the future everything that we can know about that time, not some political hack with a camcorder who's the darling of the media for now.



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