top ten most evil villians in movie history.....

[ulthar]

Shadowphile wrote:

>  Wearing a mask and
> chopping people up makes you a slasher, not a villian.
>

???

[dean]

> Shadowphile wrote:
>
> >  Wearing a mask and
> > chopping people up makes you a slasher, not a villian.
> >

Yeah, I understand that, the difference between 'bad guy' and out and out evil villain.  But let's not get hung up too much on definition otherwise we'll bog ourselves down in semantics.  But yes, creatures are hardly villains.  On the other hand, the masters of said creatures could be defined as a villain quite well.

Though slashers may not be defined as villains exactly, I think Freddy is somewhat more villain-like than your average horror movie slasher [if we are going to go by exact meanings]  Thoughts?

and yeah, Jack Torrance isn't really a villain in the classical sense, but he's one hell of a memorable 'crazy but bad' guy.  But I guess that isn't the thread! :-P

[akiratubo]

I respectfully disagree with the entire list.

[ulthar]

akiratubo wrote:

> I respectfully disagree with the entire list.

Fair enough.  What entries do you suggest?

[Georgie Boy]

Let's put this in a Dungeons and Dragons perspective.  Which would be considered worse...Lawful Evil or Chaotic Evil?  

Lawful Evil assumes that the villain follows a code that he/she must adhere to.  There may be deception, but rules are rules.  I assume an example of this would be Jigsaw from Saw.  The acts are evil but the victim does have a chance to win, no matter how slim.

Chaotic Evil assumes no adherance to such rules.  An example of this would be Jason from Friday the 13th.  He kills at random and has no regard for rules.

Which do you fear most?  It seems to me that Lawful Evil is by far the worse of the two.  The Lawful Evil types seem to be intelligent and much more sadistic.  The Chaotics tend to perform a quick kill.

Thoughts?

[Zapranoth]

Most people have the most visceral reaction to the sociopath -- the person who has a true "antisocial personality" and a lack of conscience.  You can't really break this sort of thing down in Gygax terms.  (To place me in time, space and personality, by the way, I vividly remember reading the first edition of the DMG sitting on playground equipment in fifth grade, and reading the first ed Monster Manual in my sixth grade homeroom on the first day of school.)

On the one hand, a sociopath doesn't learn from mistakes or punishment in the way society "expects."  That's a chaotic-seeming trait.  On the other hand, sociopaths can be quite organized, charismatic, and may have a code of conduct.  "Lawful."

I don't fear any of 'em.  If any of the bastards gets near my daughter, I'll end him.  =)

[ulthar]

Georgie Boy wrote:

> Which do you fear most?  It seems to me that Lawful Evil is by
> far the worse of the two.  The Lawful Evil types seem to be
> intelligent and much more sadistic.  The Chaotics tend to
> perform a quick kill.
>
> Thoughts?

In contrast, though, Jason (your example of Chaotic Evil) seemed quite intelligent and sadistic.  He lasted quite a few movies, and even went to Manhattan to 'hunt.'

Chaotic implies unpredictability, and that scares me more than someone willing to follow some rules (their own, warped rules perhaps, but rules nonetheless).  That's just my opinion.

[Scott]

I'd have to say Lee Van Cleef in THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY especially in the opening scene. Angel Eyes gets the information from the man, kills the man and his son, takes his money, then kills the one who sent him. Because he always finishes a job.

One of the really great movie "Villians" is Phalsa Doom in CONAN THE BARBARIAN played by James Earl Jones. One of the best movie characters in film history in my opinion.

[Shadowphile]

THULSA Doom, just to be pedantic.

Personally, I've always considered Neutral Evil to be the worst sort of evil.  It is evil for it's own sake.  Chaotic evil is random but almost invariably picks the cruel option.  Lawful evil is mercilessly adhering to some form of approved code.

[peter johnson]

"You called meee a warped, frustrated old maaannn . . . " and for that, you must die in horror and disgrace.
Void of Humanity:  Watch Lionel Barrymore this season in "It's a Wonderful Life".
peter johnson/denny crane

[Shadowphile]

Having just watched 'Ladyhawke' again, I'm going to suggest the Bishop of Aquila.

A man of the church (which is never a good thing) who curses two lovers (If I can't have her, no man shall), discredits a good man (Etienne of Navarre) uses God as a lever to keep his minions in line and tries to kill the girl once the curse is lifted (If I can't have her no man shall Part II), all without leaving the security of his church.

Did I mention the killing spike he has concealed in his cross/staff?

[Scott]

Thanks for the correction. Never saw the spelling before.

[mnpchan]

Well...since we are going for most evil and not the best I'm going to have to provide my list as follows(In no particular order other than when they come to mind)

Bear in mind that I'm too lazy to distinguish between multiples/series and singles. ;)

1: Freddy Krueger-Nightmare on Elm Street
2: Damian-The Omen
3: Pazuzu-The Exorcist
4: Queen Bavmorda-Willow
5: Mr. Black-The Stand
6: Pennywise-It
7: The Darkness-Legend
8: Chucky-Child's Play
9: Pinhead-Hellraiser
10: Satan-Any movie he's in.