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okay, which do you prefer. I prefer TNA because it is more real than WWE :teddyr:

Well, as "real" as televised proffessional wrestling can be.  I am liking them a bit more than the WWE right now.

I like em about equally at this point.  Problem with TNA is they seem to be copying WCW too closely.  Bad choice, seeing as they went out of business.  If they focused more on the younger guys, and utilized their 'veteran' guys like Foley, Nash, Booker T to bring up the younger guys, it'd be much better. 

Creatively, both are kinda in the crapper.  As far as in ring action, both companies have guys I like.  WWE: Christian, CM Punk, William Regal, Tommy Dreamer, Undertaker, and HHH are some of the ones I like.  TNA: Angle, Young, Jay Lethal, Chris Daniels and Booker T are the ones I like, and Foley.

TNA, if only because they've got Mick Foley.

Mick is my freakin' hero.

I met him and talked to him once, and I didn't even know who he was.  Just a friend of a friend.  Cool guy.  For some reason, I think he liked the fact that I wasn't a fan so he could talk to me like a normal person.  We discussed the Buster Douglas/Mike Tyson fight. 

Both suck but WWE sucks less IMO at least on Smackdown. Still I did enjoy last week's Raw with Dusty Rhodes as guest host. None of it can come close to the joy and fun I had watching the 80s WWF, AWA, NWA, World Class, Calgary Stampede, etc.

I heard TNA maybe getting a second show.  Any truth to that?

Kinda bothers me a bit.  I didn't think their ratings were that huge to warrant a second tv show.  Hell, they're ppv buyrates are kinda low, too.  Enough so that they're considering dropping the amount of shows down from 12 to something like, 6 or 7.

I wonder why Vince did'nt buy TNA yet? ... strange

Cause even though their ratings/buy rates are low, they are still making enough money to stay afloat...for now.  Plus in order to buy them, they'd have to be cancelled from Spike.  Generally speaking, Vince and the WWE have an exclusivity contract to whatever station they're on.  At least, for a while, they did.  Meaning, they have a contract with NBC/Universal and TNA is on a Viacom station.  Which is why initially, he couldn't buy WCW back in '01.  He made an offer, but Turner Networks wanted to keep the show on the air, so Vince couldn't buy it.  But then an executive decided to cancel it, opening the doors for Vince to purchase it. 

TNA's ratings are low compared to what the WWE gets, but it's high enough for Spike Tv for them to warrant keeping them around.

I had the opportunity to chat with him once too. Sadly, he didn't get the opportunity to talk to a non-fan in my case, but he seems overjoyed by the fact that I was a fan more because of his writing then his wrestling. He said that most of the fans he gets tend to be the kind of guys who jump off of roofs and gets thumbtacks embedded in their brainstems. Lol. Verrrrry cool guy. The best.

AJPW

I don't watch either these days, but I have gained an all new addiction to some Japanese wrestling (especially anything comedic, like Dragon Gate or Osaka Pro).

Have you seen CHIKARA Pro Wrestling? Based out of Philly, but very Japanese oriented, and very funny.  Both Bob Saget and Dave Coulier have served as "Commissioner", and one of the characters is CP Munk, a Chipmunk based off/parody of CM Punk.   :bouncegiggle:

It's obvious...Tits and ass before World Wide Fund for Nature.
Stupid WWF and their stupid pandas.


Wait..something's wrong.

 :bouncegiggle:  Oooh!  Karma for that.

Hulk is in TNA, and they're going to war with WWE

Yeah Hogan is supposed to be in TNA in a GM type role and Bret "The Hitman" Hart is also scheduled to be on WWE RAW this MONDAY!! The Bret appearance is a lot more surprising and shocking to me.

I'm really excited about the Bret appearance.  I've heard rumors of it possibly leading to a series of appearances leading up to WrestleMania in April or so.  Dunno, but that gets me more excited than Hogan bringing in the Nasty Boys to TNA.

Are you serious?The Nasty Boys? :lookingup:

Saw TNA on Monday night?! well, RVD, Jeff Hardy, and Shannon Moore debuted and Sting went CRAZY?! Dis is true! oh yeah, Kurt came out with the U.S. Army and attacked Mr. Anderson, the U.S.Army got involved!  :teddyr: tis was FUNNY!!

      G.L.O.W.



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TNA, as terrible as their shows often are, do have one thing going for them: unpredictability. WWE has become extremely predictable and bland. If TNA can just bring something new and unexpected, something surprising to the table, maybe they'll edge away some of WWE's audience over time.

I think part of the reason TNA has unpredictablility is cause there's like, 18 different people trying to run it.  Bischoff, Hogan, Jarrett, Dixie Carter, the board of Directors, and then the writers like Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara. 

WWE may have like, 7 writers, but overall they answer to two people: Stephanie McMahon and Vince McMahon.  But, I give them their due.  When they face competition, they're not afraid to go to the trenches.  I do applaud that they've kinda given "newer' wrestlers a chance to shine: Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Ted DiBiase Jr.  Problem though, is they're not giving them a chance to develop their characters or speak their own promos.  Their big business boom of '97-'01 was cause they allowed guys like The Rock, Stone Cold, Mick Foley, Undertaker and HHH, amongst others, develop their characters and promos.  And they allowed them to do more than 3 and a half moves per match.

Last night, Abyss chokeslammed  AJ through the ring.

I stopped watching wrestling a little bit before The Rock came around.. and I haven't really been able to get into it since, it was just too much like a soap opera.  However, I think I'm going to give TNA a try now cuz some of my favs are there now!!



 :buggedout:  Some of those Ls ain't so G.

how bout some  old school ECW?
Tommy Dreamer
RVD
Raven
Rhino
Stevie Richards
3D
Foaly
Snow
etc...

TNA's move to Monday Nights opposite Raw was an abysmal failure for them. They were destroyed by WWE in the ratings. I really wish TNA could do better and could prove a suitable alternative for those who'd like a little something different from the WWE style of predictable short TV matches. TNA has the talent to really give us some great matches from lower card talent free on TV but TNA too seems to limit the amount of time guys get for matches and most of them are too rushed and too spot-fest oriented.

TNA has the chance to survive for a good while, as long as they keep their expectations low and stop trying to copy WWE or "Challenge" them on Monday nights.  Stick to Thursday nights, and let the guys in the ring do their thing without time limits and all that.  Just let em wrestle, and give em storylines without a LOT of talking.

It's hard to watch WWE now.
I prefer TNA but they really need to relax all the swerves and crazy story lines.Just watched the TNA/ECW PPV it was very decent I must say.

TNA hit a new low on Sunday (10/10/10) when Hogan/Bischoff took over TNA. It fails now. :thumbdown:

One could conceivably say that they died the minute they signed a contract late last year.

Sad.  I wanted to see TNA get really really big.

I know, I wanted TNA to compete with WWE and to draw more attention to TNA than WWE, but since 1) the ring is now a spuare than a hexagon (which the main reason I watched TNA) and 2) Everything is all B.S.-> Why is this happening to one of the greatest wrestling program?! I guess I shoulda seen it coming when Bischoff is involved

I give Bischoff some credit, he did have some decent ideas.  But at the same time, was quite full of himself and helped flush an entire organization down the tubes. :bluesad:

I personally think TNA kind of shot themselves in the foot and have been doing it for years - simply by using WWE castoffs to bury their own homegrown talent instead of using the WWE castoffs to help establish said stars further. Guys like Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles, Christopher Daniels, Abyss, Robert Roode and James Storm should be on top of TNA. Personally I prefer the four sided ring anyday as it actually is a bigger ring and just looks right IMO. By putting former WWE guys over those guys who've been faithful to TNA for the long haul--just seems like bad business to me.

They're both appallingly terrible as of right now, TNA is a clusterf**k and WWE is boring.

OMG I have not watched Raw or TNA for about half year now. I know Hogan was in TNA but...

HOL... LLLY crap I did not know he was starting something like NWO again, and with Bischoff!!!??? This a joke?

Goooood night TNA. I wonder if this was the work of an "outside wrestling company"? LOL. Genius! :wink:

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I sound like a hypocrite but I loved NWO... well for a little while anyway. The 90's yes...

The time of black spray paint and trash in the ring. I didn't know what year I was watching at times.

The initial NWO was decent enough...but they completely and utterly destroyed it by not only letting just about everyone in (I mean, there was enough for TWO VERSIONS at the same time), and when I say everyone, I mean it.  Vincent/Virgil was a member.  When a lifelong jobber is a member it takes away from what they wanna accomplish. 

Then it got bigger and bigger, broke up, and next thing I know, it's led by Jeff Jarrett and Bret Hart.   :buggedout:

TNA is utter sh*t.  The fact that 500 people showed up to a recent event, in an arena that holds like, 5,000, speaks volumes.  It CAN'T all be the economy.  Granted, even in a bad economy, there should be enough fans to justify at LEAST, 1,000 people.

I dunno what's up with it anymore.  WWE is just, they're smart in trying to push younger guys.  They're backed into a corner now that so many main event guys are gone or injured (Batista, HBK, Undertaker, CM Punk, HHH, Mysterio, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Jericho, are all gone.  Some don't work for WWE anymore and others injured.)

But trying to push so MANY younger guys at one time with no real main event guys outside of Kane and Edge is kind of trying a bit too hard at one time with no real big success.  Financially they'll be fine as the McMahon's are smart and have built WWE into a mega-brand and thought ahead and marketed to kids again which opens the door to a huge boost in merchandise sales and business deals with corporations like 7-11, McDonalds, Burger King, Pepsi and a few others which opens the floodgates money wise.

Whats up with Undertaker, injured? He's my favorite wrestler, I hope he's doing well.

LOL... yeah I remember Virgil. Million Dollar Man's bodyguard. Vincent in NWO.

BTW did anybody ever see Ultimate Warrior vs Orlando Jordan "Ultimate Return Match" 2 years ago?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHBefYdfj6Q

If Warrior comes back to WWE I'll watch it again. I'd like to see Undertaker vs Warrior @ WrestleMania XXVII!

He has some shoulder injury, needs surgery.  He should be back in time for WrestleMania 27.  I'll say this much, I've been to two events the WWE put on.  Undertaker got the loudest ovation of any wrestler on the card.  I'm glad to have gotten a chance to see him live before he ups and retires.

I haven't watched WWE as much without the Undertaker, he is the main reason I watch WWE at all. I watch TNA for nostalgia. I like to see Flair, Sting, Hogan, Nash, Foley, etc. Even though these guys are past they're prime (mainly Flair and Hogan, I'm afraid they'll die in the ring like Randy "The Ram.") Sting is still in good form, he should swallow his pride and join WWE. Everyone want's a Sting vs. The Undertaker match. TNA have the best young talent, A.J. Styles, Matt Morgan, Samoa Joe and The Pope are among the best I've seen in the while. But that Jersey Shore rip off guy needs a new act, good wrestler but that character blows. As for WWE, I just had to turn it off when Hornswaggle wrestled that guy in an Eagle suit.