*spoilers to what little we know for sure about S-M 3 .*
I've just finished reading The Essential Spider-Man Vol.4 so that means I've become very interested in the web slinger once again.
All right. The debate has been going on for months now (not here though) on who the villian or perhaps villians will be for S-M 3.
A picture was released months ago that seems to confirm that The Sandman (yeah!) will be in the movie.
If you havn't seen this picture take a look.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=11866
So I'm happy that there's a good chance that the Sandman is appearing, I like him. But people seem determined that there will be another villian with him.
Most say it'll be Venom, some think it's the Lizard (it's not impossible), maybe the Green Goblin will return (not impossible either).
Now I'm not asking who you THINK it'll be. I'm asking who you WANT it to be?
For me, the Lizard would be kind of neat, but since he's so tough I kind of want him be the main villian but at the same time not mess up the Sandman's screen time.
For the longest time I thought the Vulture was a pretty lame villian. However upon reading Essential Spider-Man #3, specifically issues #64 and #65 I must conclude that the Vulture can be bad-ass dude! There's something I kind of like about teaming the Vulture with the Sandman. I don't know why.
The Scorpion, like the Lizard, he'd be neat to see but I'd want him as the main fighting villian. Maybe hired by some powerful mob boss but the point would be that the Scorpion would get a good one on one with Spidey. (y'know if Campbell were a bit younger I think he'd make a pretty good Scorpion.)
And I do want to see the Green Goblin return but not so soon, another movie.
I hope I'm not tossing a log into the fire with this.
obviously, a lot of us are going to say "venom".
*slaps forehead*
D'oh!
Venom deserves his own movie.
I've always been kind of partial to Mysterio as a villian, although the Rhino or Vulture would be cool.
Wasn't the Hobgoblin supposedly the Green Goblin's son?
i've always thought that rhino was a pretty mediocre villain. vulture doesn't seem like he'd translate too well. eventually, they're going to get into the rut that the batman films did, where they've used all the best villains, so they need to double-up the s**tty ones to make up for how lacking they are.
Venom played by Ralph Fiennes
peter johnson/denny crane
Didn't Kirsten Dunst confirm they will be Venom, SAndman and the new Green Goblin?
This sort of thing is always interesting, because if you go by the movies, and their theme of 'all the bad guys have a connection with Peter Parker' I'd say that logically the Lizard would be the next choice of villain [since Venom really needs his own movie to himself.]
I say this because they've already set up Dr Connors in Spidey 2, so it would be nice and easy, and the story would be pretty simple and straightfoward to do as well, especially since most of the other villains [such as Sandman] aren't really on that grand a scale like Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom. I mean wasn't Sandman, Vulture, Shocker and Rhino supposed to be pretty much petty crooks in the comics and not actually that smart, as in 'total domination through evil' smart? Meh, it's all good really.
Either way I'd expect there to be some changes to what we know about the Spidey universe [which annoys me to a degree, but I actually think it's for the better] especially with the success of Spiderman Unlimited.
Anyways, personally I'd like to see a set up in Spidey 3 for Venom to be in number 4, the added extra of Black Cat, since they wanted her in the second one but decided not to. Buy and play Spiderman 2 the game to see how it could have panned out, and I'd assume it will run fairly similar in number 3 if she's in it. It has some good potential.
Also there's always the struggle of Harry that they set up in number 2 as well, which I think will be pretty good to watch [James Franco is actually pretty damn good in that role, I think at least]. Kind of a 'I'm going to struggle between my being loyal to my father, the villain, or my friend, the hero.
Either way, I'd expect lots of personal problems for old Peter Parker, since they really crammed that stuff in the last two movies.
Phew! Can you tell I've been reading some Spiderman comics recently?
Are you guys retarded or what? KIRSTEN DUNST ALREADY SAID WHO THE VILLAINS WILL BE!
They will be SAndman, Venom and the Goblin.
I also read rumors that THE SANDMAN, VENOM, THE HOBGOBLIN . . . AND . . . THE LIZARD would all be in it. Let's hope the rumors are wrong . . . that's waaaaaaaay too many villains.
Venom need his own movie. I mean, how can you explain a whacked out alien that replaces the spider suit, falls in love with Peter Parker then starts hating him AND duke is out with two other villians in one movie? Or am I getting Venom's origin wrong?
I hadn't thought of Black Cat. She made a great villian in the comic books, especially when she was doing the 'love shrine' thefts. Why is it that a dweeb like Parker gets all these hot chicks to fall for him?
The Spider-Man movies have been quite good at feeding speculation by parading possibilities in front of us in the form of people like Doc Connors and Eddie Brock. The Lizard and Venom would both be good, although the Venom origin might have to be condensed to fit into a movie.
I agree that guys like the Rhino are unlikely as a main villain, just because they don't have the brains. Mysterio, on the other hand, would be pretty cool to see in a future movie. The Scorpion is another favourite of mine, and would certainly be a menacing presence.
I rather like the line-up of villains suggested for the third installment, although I was disappointed to see them already setting up Harry Osborne as the new Green Goblin. That means they'll continue the same subplots from the first two movies. I don't know about you guys, but I thought the second movie focused too much on Peter Parker's personal life -- with too little screen time for Doc Ock, my favourite Spidey villain. I thought the first was a much more balanced movie in that regard. I had mixed feelings about the second -- too much angst, too much Mary Jane, not enough fighting with the villain.
Ain't Nothing Wrong With A Little Too Much Mary Jane!!Just Don't Bogart It!!
Of Course,They Could Always Cast Larry the Cable Guy In Spiderman Four as "The Cable Guy"!!!
In Spiderman Five,They Can Always Have Peter Parker As A Patient Of Dr.Phil'Quick Draw'McGraw 's!!"Now Peter,It Never Was Your Fault That Your Uncle Ben Was Murdered.What Was It He Always Told You:'With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility.',Right?Okay Now,Here's My Advice.First Of All,You Need To Get Married To Mary Jane.Secondly,Donate Your Costume To Goodwill,Then Get An Honest Job.Okay.Our Time's Up For This Week.Be Sure To Tell My Receptionist To Send My Next Patients,The XMen In On Your Way Out,Okay?".
I think why I liked Spider-Man II so much was because of all the focus on Peter Parker. In the comics Peter seems to always fall on hard times, with only a few good things happening to him.
But it would have been even better if Dr. Octopus got a bit more screen time. He had enough action but not enough Ock being Ock scenes.
And plan9 I thought I heard Dunst got in trouble for 'revealing' the villians. Who knows maybe this is all an act to trick us and give us one hell of a surprise....sorry for being retarted.
Boy, none of you guys get around much. It's been known for a year that Venom is appearing the film. In fact Sony has released a poster with Spiderman in the black "symbiote" costume. Topher Grace and Thomas Haden Church are playing the villians. According to Coming Attractions, Church is playing the Chameleon.
Check it out at Coming Attractions (http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?obj_id=42679&aff_id=0&this_cat=Development+Heck). They also have the poster.
I've seen the picture of the dark Spider-Man costume and it does sort of make Venom a bit more believable.
I think I'll only know for sure until I see the previews or the movie. I thought I heard that Raimi didn't like Venom that much and preffered the older villians.
I haven't really 'kept up to date' on the whole thing, but I did hear about Topher Grace as Venom/Eddie Brock, but considering the way the business is, I prefer to get things straight closer to the release date [I heard all this a while back]
Oh and AndyC, I was also a little miffed at the whole 'another Green Goblin' storyline, but right after I found out about that, someone mentioned the possibility of Harry being torn against his father and friend, and thought it could actually be a really good storyline, and not just a re-hashing of numbers 1 and 2.
And yes, not enough Ock, and too much Mary-Jane. Though isn't Gwen Stacey supposed to be in this one as well?
Bah. As for the whole too many villains thing; where does it say that there should be just one villain in a movie? Sure it's easier in terms of story, but I think it actually helps, to a degree. Playing the games [yeah I know, different things] were a good way of finding out how it could all relate together. Anyways, they all are supposed to come back eventually [unlike getting killed off after one movie, since that's a silly idea] but I think it can work.
If done right of course.
Anyway, I guess it's just a wait and see thing I guess. Not much we can do about it really!
Oh and thanks for the poster link trek, though I must say that the whole dark costume thing doesn't scream 'Venom' to me. I guess it is a teaser though.
I've heard the rumors... and I hope they're wrong, except for Sandman. I think he could be done very well. Three villians is too damn many for new opponents. Venom is my all time fave, but he should fight Spiderman alone in his first appearance... then maybe add Carnage if there's a second opportunity. Too many foes spoil the fight. I hope to god we never see a Sinister Six move pulled in a Spiderman film.
I just want to know how are the gonna cram up THREE villains in a single Spider-Man movie.
Is Sandman gonna turn into a mindless hechman of Venom and the Goblin, just like Bane in "Batman & Robin"?
I mean think about it: they have introduce Flint Marko, have him turn into Sandman, re-introduce all the returning characters,have Harry Osborn urn into the Goblin, introduce Eddie Brock, have the symbiote come crashing down to Earth in a space shuttle, have Spider-Man get the symbiote when he rescues the astronauts, introduce Black Spider-Man, have Spider-Man realize that the symbiote makes him evil, have him get rid of the symbiote, have Eddie Brock get the symbiote, have Sandman wrecking havoc, have Venom wrecking havoc, have the Goblin wrecking havoc, have Spider-Man fight Sandma, have Spider-Man fight Venom, have Spider-Man fight the Goblin, introduce Gwen Stacy, have Peter Parker cheat on Mary Jane with Gwen Stacy, kill off Gwen Stacy, introduce Captain Stacy, kill off Captain Stacy, kill off Sandman, kill off Venom and kill off the Goblin.
How the hell are they gonna cram all of THAT into a two hour movie?
plan9superfan Wrote:
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> I just want to know how are the gonna cram up
> THREE villains in a single Spider-Man movie.
>
> Is Sandman gonna turn into a mindless hechman of
> Venom and the Goblin, just like Bane in "Batman
> & Robin"?
>
> I mean think about it: they have introduce Flint
> Marko, have him turn into Sandman, re-introduce
> all the returning characters,have Harry Osborn urn
> into the Goblin, introduce Eddie Brock, have the
> symbiote come crashing down to Earth in a space
> shuttle, have Spider-Man get the symbiote when he
> rescues the astronauts, introduce Black
> Spider-Man, have Spider-Man realize that the
> symbiote makes him evil, have him get rid of the
> symbiote, have Eddie Brock get the symbiote, have
> Sandman wrecking havoc, have Venom wrecking havoc,
> have the Goblin wrecking havoc, have Spider-Man
> fight Sandma, have Spider-Man fight Venom, have
> Spider-Man fight the Goblin, introduce Gwen Stacy,
> have Peter Parker cheat on Mary Jane with Gwen
> Stacy, kill off Gwen Stacy, introduce Captain
> Stacy, kill off Captain Stacy, kill off Sandman,
> kill off Venom and kill off the Goblin.
>
> How the hell are they gonna cram all of THAT into
> a two hour movie?
Exactly my point, though in a somewhat long-winded form...
I will be seeing Spider-Man 3 simply because of Topher Grace.
scott: yeah, i wondered how they were going to re-tool the venom origin myself.
They are gonna have the symbiote come crashing down to Earth on an (Earthen) spaceship iloted by John Jameson, just like in the cartoon.
Venom needs his own movie. Maybe they will be strigning the storyline through a second movie, the way they did with the Pheonix in X2. Will they be that smart about it? Unlikely.