If you don't know Michael Savage he is a hard talking take no sh!t kinda guy. I don't agree with everything he says but I find it hard not to agree with some it. I'm all for all types and walks being here, but don't force what you believe on me and I won't force what I believe on you.
A pro-Islam group is using his audio to build up anger against the west, they link info about Savage via Media (doesn't) Matters (snicker) oh no bias there. Savage will have no part of it and is suing them for copyright infringement. Check out the audio clips of his they have on there site. It contains things like ...
"I'm not gonna put my wife in a hijab. And I'm not gonna put my daughter in a burqa. And I'm not gettin on my all-fours and praying to Mecca. And you could drop dead if you don't like it. You can shove it up your pipe. I don't wanna hear anymore about Islam. I don't wanna hear one more word about Islam. Take your religion and shove it up your behind. I'm sick of you."
"What kind of religion is this? What kind of world are you living in when you let them in here with that throwback document in their hand, which is a book of hate. Don't tell me I need reeducation. They need deportation. I don't need reeducation. Deportation, not reeducation. You can take C-A-I-R and throw 'em out of my country. I'd raise the American flag and I'd get out my trumpet if you did it. Without due process. You can take your due process and shove it."
"What sane nation that worships the U.S. constitution, which is the greatest document of freedom ever written, would bring in people who worship a book that tells them the exact opposite. Make no mistake about it, the Quran is not a document of freedom. The Quran is a document of slavery and chattel. It teaches you that you are a slave."
Story here ...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article58970.html (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article58970.html)
AUDIO HERE
http://www.cair.com/audio/savage_102907.asp (http://www.cair.com/audio/savage_102907.asp)
Sigh . . . Michael Savage and Mark Levin are two conservatives that drive me up a wall. They are right on many issues, but they cloak their opinions in such nasty, hateful rhetoric that they reinforce every negative stereotype about us that there is!
Quote from: indianasmith on December 02, 2007, 01:29:01 AM
Sigh . . . Michael Savage and Mark Levin are two conservatives that drive me up a wall. They are right on many issues, but they cloak their opinions in such nasty, hateful rhetoric that they reinforce every negative stereotype about us that there is!
Yes he goes over the top and says a lot I don't agree with, but as the story said he does say a lot of what people are thinking. I find Savage and Levin amusingly entertaining in the extreme areas of rhetoric, I'm afraid their collective hard talk marginalizes there more meaningful positions on other issues. I think many agree with some of what they say, but few blindly follow every word.
Likely why they are relegated to the late night shift on many stations.
two words: fair use. he has no case.
frivolous lawsuits are "conservative" now?
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 02, 2007, 09:23:08 AM
two words: fair use. he has no case.
frivolous lawsuits are "conservative" now?
You'd best read up on the fair use laws.
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)
Calling it fair use doesn't make it fair use, the copyright holder has the ultimate say over the use of there work. The web site could quote, but not play audio. Granted it's not so cut and dry, but agree with him or not he does have a case.
QuoteCopyright protects the particular way an author has expressed himself; it does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in the work.
The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.
so could andrew be sued for the clips he has here? i hope not
Savage sounds like a bigot,rascist piece of sh!t. To judge a whole race or religion on the acts of some is Nazi sh1t. I'm not gonna say anymore on the subject.
Quote from: CheezeFlixz on December 02, 2007, 01:44:04 AM
Quote from: indianasmith on December 02, 2007, 01:29:01 AM
Sigh . . . Michael Savage and Mark Levin are two conservatives that drive me up a wall. They are right on many issues, but they cloak their opinions in such nasty, hateful rhetoric that they reinforce every negative stereotype about us that there is!
Yes he goes over the top and says a lot I don't agree with, but as the story said he does say a lot of what people are thinking. I find Savage and Levin amusingly entertaining in the extreme areas of rhetoric, I'm afraid their collective hard talk marginalizes there more meaningful positions on other issues. I think many agree with some of what they say, but few blindly follow every word.
Likely why they are relegated to the late night shift on many stations.
Eh...I changed my mind....I do that sometimes....and without the aid of hunchbacked assistance! :twirl:
Hitler had the same talent...to put into words what many in Germany at that time were thinking. He didn't come into power by accident. His madness was applauded by many...and those who thought he was a harmless flash in the pan soon found out different. Of course,Hitler didn't have the diversty of cultures to deal with ,as the US does,making it easier for him to get a large majority on his side.
at the same time CAIR is an extremely useless and annoying group who have done much more frivolous lawsuits than this so perhaps they deserve a taste of their own medicine.
worse things have happened to better people
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 02, 2007, 01:04:48 PM
at the same time CAIR is an extremely useless and annoying group who have done much more frivolous lawsuits than this so perhaps they deserve a taste of their own medicine.
worse things have happened to better people
Agree-! :thumbup:
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 02, 2007, 11:11:33 AM
so could andrew be sued for the clips he has here? i hope not
No because he is operating within the guidelines that fair use was set up for (i.e. review), if he (which he is not) took bits out of content for decimation of character for the purpose of personal gain or profit then he would be. Politicians do it all the time, but there is gray area in what they as politicians can call claim as libel against them. Savage while a mouthy radio host is a private citizen albeit a public figure, politician are public figures but elected officials so different rules apply. It's very tricky I'm not a copyright lawyer, but I know a few.
Quote from: lester1/2jrat the same time CAIR is an extremely useless and annoying group who have done much more frivolous lawsuits than this so perhaps they deserve a taste of their own medicine.
worse things have happened to better people
I believe from what I've heard that is the underlaying point of why he is doing this. As some
radical Muslim want to stop all things non-Muslim and sue or kill at every turn to end it, Savage is suing back with as much vigor. But the main reason is "CAIR attempted to silence Michael Savage by stealing his work, misrepresenting it and then seeking to have advertisers drop his show. This is a violation of Michael Savage’s rights to speech and to his religious beliefs,"
Meanwhile in Sudan Muslims are calling for the death of a western women for allowing her class to name a teddy bear Muhammad. So is Savage wrong? He's way over the top, but is he way off base too?
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 02, 2007, 11:11:33 AM
so could andrew be sued for the clips he has here? i hope not
CheezeFlixz already hit the nail on the head. I rigorously adhere to Fair Use. A prominent page about Fair Use has been a part of the site for a very long time, probably shortly after it went online:
http://www.badmovies.org/information/fairuse.html
Quote from: CheezeFlixz on December 02, 2007, 02:31:18 PM
Meanwhile in Sudan Muslims are calling for the death of a western women for allowing her class to name a teddy bear Muhammad. So is Savage wrong? He's way over the top, but is he way off base too?
Right there, you reminded me of myself.
There are people in America as easily offended (if perhaps not so skewered towards BLOODLUST) because of Jesus.
Also, the editor would like to point out the previous and persistent use of the word "there" in lieu of the other word "their..." :smile:
Quote from: RCMerchant on December 02, 2007, 12:52:00 PM
Hitler had the same talent...to put into words what many in Germany at that time were thinking. He didn't come into power by accident. His madness was applauded by many...
You are so right Hitler did not come to power by accident, but don't kid yourself into thinking ballot boxes weren't stuffed! Nazis are operators, cheats, thieves and crooks. Certainly Hitler had popular support, but not all of it, and many Germans even then understood Hitler and his Nazis to be thugs and mobsters.
We are on the same page. We should beware generalization. Someday, anyday, someone may generalize about me or you.
QuoteMeanwhile in Sudan Muslims are calling for the death of a western women for allowing her class to name a teddy bear Muhammad. So is Savage wrong? He's way over the top, but is he way off base too?
I don't see what inthe world that has to do with the legal issues in this case. is he suing the people who want to kill the teacher? how? they aren't americans?
QuoteCAIR attempted to silence Michael Savage by stealing his work, misrepresenting it and then seeking to have advertisers drop his show. This is a violation of Michael Savage's rights to speech and to his religious beliefs
in doing so he is probably giving them way way more publicity than they were getting with just the clips :bouncegiggle:
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 03, 2007, 09:38:37 AM
I don't see what inthe world that has to do with the legal issues in this case. is he suing the people who want to kill the teacher? how? they aren't americans?
I say this as only a side note as to where some of Savages opinions come from, I'm not supporting Savage, but I do understand his frustration and his rather 'Lewis Black type' of tirade. Doesn't make him right, doesn't make him wrong. It's his opinion.
Quotein doing so he is probably giving them way way more publicity than they were getting with just the clips :bouncegiggle:
Depends on who hears about them to if it's a help or not. A bunch of non-Muslims hear what they do likely not to go to well in there favor. A bunch of Muslim hear it, likely will. Either way both are getting more publicity than they've had in years.
Quote from: Allhallowsday on December 02, 2007, 10:40:55 PM
Someday, anyday, someone may generalize about me or you.
EDITORS NOTE: "Any day" is 2 words not one. :teddyr:
In the brief few moments I've listened to Michael Savage I've heard more hatred, fear-n-smear tactics, overgeneralizations, non-sequitors, logical fallacies, and demonizations than I care to hear in a lifetime. But that's infotainment for you: ratings > honesty.
Honestly, I'd rather listen to political commentary from Randy Savage <"ewww yeah">.
cheez- don't get me wrong. he's definately entitled to his opinion. I just can't help but think of the time bill oreilly and FOX sued al franken, catapaulting his book "lying liars" to #1 at Amazon.
I don't understand what CAIR's point is in existing? what do they do?
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 04, 2007, 10:25:02 AM
I don't understand what CAIR's point is in existing? what do they do?
Good question, I read elsewhere (meaning other than Savage) that they have funding ties to Hamas and other radical Islamic groups. They promote pro Islamic ideologies and complain about non Islamic ideologies such as the 10 commandments in school, Merry Christmas being said and the public displays of Christian symbols, like a Christmas Tree or nativity scene.
Because we all know that some lighten plastic statues of Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus well cause people to convert to Christianity. Or a Christmas tree will make you crave beer, pork and porn. :lookingup:
Quote from: CheezeFlixz on December 03, 2007, 10:56:34 AM
Quote from: Allhallowsday on December 02, 2007, 10:40:55 PM
Someday, anyday, someone may generalize about me or you.
EDITORS NOTE: "Any day" is 2 words not one. :teddyr:
Right there you remind me of myself again... and right you are! :smile: Touche.
Quote from: CheezeFlixz on December 04, 2007, 05:48:59 PM
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 04, 2007, 10:25:02 AM
I don't understand what CAIR's point is in existing? what do they do?
Good question, I read elsewhere (meaning other than Savage) that they have funding ties to Hamas and other radical Islamic groups...
CAIR's founders are members of HAMAS. I have no support for organizations or their affiliates that promote suicide bombings and the destruction of any extant state.
I do not consider myself a conservative by any stretch of the imagination, but I do listen to Savage partly because he makes me laugh when he rants and raves, but also because I actually agree with much of what he has to say. He is a bigot, unfortunately, which is why I don't like him personally, but he is right when he says that the republican and democrat front-runners are all cut from the same mold. The U.S. is in a rapid state of decline and things are not going to change if any of the major candidates we have right now are elected. We need a radical shift in the way our government does business, but the media steers the majority of voters right back to the status quo time and again by marginalizing anyone who suggests real change. Have you ever noticed that during the debates the candidates who get the loudest cheers from the audience are the ones that are completely ignored by the talking heads during their post-debate commentaries. It is clear we are going down the toilet, but anyone who suggests a change in direction is portrayed as a nobody or a whacko. Then people will think "I like this guy's stance on the war, tax reform, and immigration, but they say he has no chance of winning, so I'll vote for Hillary or Rudy as the lesser of evils rather than waste my vote on a loser." I just heard something on the TV news this morning about how Obama is considered the "face of change," because "his last name is not Bush or Clinton." I defy anyone to find any logic whatsoever in that statement. What does a last name have to do with the issues? It's just a way to misguide the more dissatisfied voters towards voting for Obama, who is another status quo candidate with no significant difference from Bush or Clinton. This is democracy in action? We are so incredibly screwed over. I've just about given up hope.
Right on ! :cheers: :thumbup:
Savage is a complete farce. Mike Savage (real name Mike Weiner) regularly hung around with the beatniks and poets in the North Beach district of San Francisco for years before getting his radio gig, where he just does extremism for cash. While his shift from liberalism to conservativeness may have happened, I doubt he really believes the crazy stuff he says and is just pocketing mad loot.
why are there any of these groups. what "colored person" has ever been helped to advance by the NAACP. who has been kept from defaming someone because of the anti defamation league.
These organizations seem to just be places for rich people of various groups to feel better about themseelves by dropping a donation. CAIR is what, the council of american islamic relations? what is that muslim americans doing public relations? i can't even tell what the name means. they have undoubdetly led to far more people being annoyed at muslims than would if they didn't launch frivolous lawsuits. that goes for all the above named groups
Quote from: lester1/2jr on December 06, 2007, 05:37:33 PM
why are there any of these groups. what "colored person" has ever been helped to advance by the NAACP.
I'm going to go with "all of them" but that's just me and my thinking school integration, voting rights, tearing down of forced neighborhood segregation, protesting against blacks forced to the back of the bus, fighting against Jim Crow laws, and Moore v. Dempsey helped "advance" people.
okay. but how about lately?
i'm not arguing against activism, I'm arguing against advocacy groups that seem to make the people they are trying to help worse off
We're a little off topic here but I feel the NAACP should lose it's tax exempt status because it's a political organization and under 501 rules you can not be political and tax exempt too.
You can support a political candidate you just can not be a political activist group, which the NAACP is.
Same goes for CAIR they should lose their exempt status.