idk i really dig what ive been seeing i hope its as good as it looks.
as far as the trailers go,i`d love to see this movie,and really want to see the hybrid PredAlien.it looks pretty good.
I'll see it no matter what I hear about it.
Looks fantastic to me. Can't wait. I'll see either it or Sweeny Todd this week sometime. Sweeny will probably end up winning though.
I'm just glad they're going with an R rated AVP film this time, like they should have done in the first place.
I got to see the first five minutes online and in that first five minutes we see right where AvP left off, a nice gory scene with the PredAlien, some alien facehuggers, and the intro to the badass Predator star of the movie while the Original Predator movie theme plays while it sets itself up with its weapons. XD
That five minutes alone sold me on this being infinitely better then the first movie.
Quote from: D-Man on December 24, 2007, 08:19:36 PM
I'm just glad they're going with an R rated AVP film this time, like they should have done in the first place.
Yes :bouncegiggle:
I will stay far away from this one unless a bunch of people tell me it's good.
After Alien Ressurection and AVP my interest level is at about zero. If I hear a lot of good things I'll probably pick it up when it eventually winds up in the discount bin.
def not gonna go out of my way to see this one -_-
You bet. I loved every ALIEN and PREDATOR movie so far. Honestly I really did. Even if some of them are more guilty pleasures.
Saw it yesterday and can honestly tell you that if you've seen the red-band trailer you've seen all you ever need to of AVP-R. It's not even fun bad. In fact, for the most part it's flat-out boring. I came seriously close to walking out and believe me when I tell you that takes a considerable degree of badness. There's not much action until the climax and what action and gore there is gets obscured by so much darkness, rain, and (shot in) extreme close-ups that it kills the action scenes. The plot and characters are straight out of the worst Sci-Fi Channel original movie there's been. That's really all this movie is. Take away the recognition value of the Alien and Predator and reduce the budget to $3 million and all you'd be left with is an even worse than usual Sci-Fi Channel original movie - only this one you actually have to pay to watch. When it was over I felt like I'd just been scammed out of both my time and money.
Quote from: Foywonder on December 26, 2007, 04:50:39 PM
Saw it yesterday and can honestly tell you that if you've seen the red-band trailer you've seen all you ever need to of AVP-R. It's not even fun bad. In fact, for the most part it's flat-out boring. I came seriously close to walking out and believe me when I tell you that takes a considerable degree of badness. There's not much action until the climax and what action and gore there is gets obscured by so much darkness, rain, and (shot in) extreme close-ups that it kills the action scenes. The plot and characters are straight out of the worst Sci-Fi Channel original movie there's been. That's really all this movie is. Take away the recognition value of the Alien and Predator and reduce the budget to $3 million and all you'd be left with is an even worse than usual Sci-Fi Channel original movie - only this one you actually have to pay to watch. When it was over I felt like I'd just been scammed out of both my time and money.
To tell you the truth that doesn't sound any worse than the first one; I just went to that one to see the creatures, really :bouncegiggle: Until the climax, there wasn't much except for sporadic sequences and people getting lost in an alien Rubix Cube, some of the death scenes were close-ups or darkened (those worked much better in
Alien, didn't they?) and aside from all of that there were the plot holes and nose-thumbing at logical conclusions that made the movie a brow-raiser. You know, like, "Why isn't she freezing solid in that tank top" or "she can stick her arm into the bloody gore of the alien head without it melting off?" or "Xenomorphs can survive in the cold vacuum of space and can swim so once that Queen gets loose from that things she's stuck to, she'll just be really p**sed off and possibly wet."
What's drawing me to this one? Creatures and the "Predalien", I won't lie; i don't really care what happens to anyone else :tongueout:
Man, what a bummer. You could make a drinking game out of all the scenes stolen from the other, better movies. Got a nifty free calendar, though.
My son is beside himself about this movie and that's all he talks about. Every time he sees the previews on telly, he runs to tell me about it. *lol*
I want to see it as well, but I'll wait until it comes out on DVD. I couldn't stand a whole cinema of screaming teenagers!
dude.......it aint that bad. i saw it yesterday and i dug it, all i wanted to see was predator kill some aliens and some people get it from aliens and the predator. i really dont know wtf people were expecting honestly all i hear is "oh it sucked so bad" and "this is the worst movie ever", it delivered in every aspect. some of the dialogue is cheesy but who cares really? is it a great piece of cinema history? no. but did you really expect it to be? i just really dont know what the f**k people are complaining about. the acting wasnt even bad, nothing made me cringe except mabey when the one guy says " get to the chopper" but other than that i mean it was decent. the part where the woman says "the government wouldnt lie to us" is supposed to be intentionally funny. the flick turned out to be smarter than i thought, everything made sense, as far as the national guard goes, being a phone call away, why is it so hard to belive? the call was to the base( i think it was a base) in f**king colorado, why its there is another argument but its applicable if there was one there. i wasnt blown away by the movie but i liked it none the less. idk if your that skeptical wait for the dvd, but if you just want to see some aliens get fugged up by a predator then go see it. oh yea and people have said why is it the predators job to go take out the aliens, predator isnt f**kin dumb, he needed to get rid of the weapons and bodies ( he does this in every movie for gods sake!) and stop the aliens for what i think is because he knows how deadly these things are and why would he let them wipe out a planet of their favorite prey? the thing that really doesnt make sense is that they killed f**kin weyland in the first avp( which is rediculous anyway considering hes in alien 3 and its like how many years after avp? alot.) and then they kind of hint that the yutani corp is going to gain predator weaponry technology.
I saw AVP2 and didn't think it was that bad either. I thought it was way better than AVP. Their is some of scenes that you can say pay homage (or rip-off whatever you feel) to previous entries of Alien and Predator films like the National Guard scene is almost like Colonial Marines getting slaughtered in Aliens.
Other cool thing their wasn't much CGI (Expect for ChestBusters they were CGI) for the Aliens or Predator most of it was done with guys in suits and the fights were pretty cool. The movie moves pretty fast too and just jumps right in.
The human characters were sufficient enough to be honest. I thought they tried a bit to hard to make them regular people that they became two dimensional. Most of them were just cut-out characters like the "Felon with a heart of gold" or the army lady with the daughter thats just a poor mans Ripley and Newt.
The ending with Weyland or whatever that Joe mentioned had me scratching my head because I didn't know what the hell was going on.
Quote from: rich andrini on December 28, 2007, 03:48:37 AM
I thought it was way better than AVP.
Now, that is not so difficult.
About the chestbusters, that element has been so ripped off, one wonders why they still bother. In the first AVP, it completely lacked conviction. Clearly it was decided at a script meeting that they had to have one, so they shoved one in somewhere. It did not make the slightest difference for the plot.
QuoteAbout the chestbusters, that element has been so ripped off, one wonders why they still bother. In the first AVP, it completely lacked conviction. Clearly it was decided at a script meeting that they had to have one, so they shoved one in somewhere. It did not make the slightest difference for the plot.
unfortunatley if you dont have chestbursters, you dont have adult aliens. as far as why they still bother A: they need to make it clear for people who might not have seen previous movies about how an alien develops and B: its cool to see aliens breaking through rib cages :teddyr:
QuoteThe ending with Weyland or whatever that Joe mentioned had me scratching my head because I didn't know what the hell was going on.
yea man, i think they goofed it up on that part. but if you pretend weyland survived with the chick from the first one and they got away it makes sense. weyland comes back teams up with yutani and bing you have the "the secret agency who wants the aliens" from all 4 alien movies and the suckers who want the predators weapons from part 2. but im gonna contradict myself for a second and say that AVP took place in 2004(?) and gary busey wanted to snag the preds gear in 1997. you could look at it as, well weyland knew then and started trying to obtain the gear or you can just say that Busey was part of something totally different. Now alien takes place in 2122 thats 115 years difference between AVPR and JUST the first alien. unless weyland had some special cryogenic freezing chamber that he let himself out of in 2122 he would be......well dead. but some how magically he is the main boss for a company who builds androids that resemble his likeness ( in 2179 mind you, just in time for Aliens) AND THEN he physically appears in Alien 3 which apparently takes place in the same year according to Ressurection. but simply the whole weyland is garbage, either they should have got another actor to play weyland in avp (which would make sense, then we could just say that Lance henrickson was his great great great grandson or something) or simply did without the character at all and just mentioned the company.
The Boston Globe rated it 1/2 a star out of 4. Not that critics are always right, but that's enough to keep me far away from this one.
I'm with you Burgo, from the online reviews I've read the human characters in this movie may as well have been mannequins. I don't know about anyone else but if you have no feeling for the victims then what happens to them means nothing and that equals bad movie in my opinion.
I can understand this happening though, the director and producer (the Strause brothers), run a digital effects company.
I really didn't think this movie was all that bad, in fact I rather enjoyed it. It was bloody, violent, made way better use of the aliens and the predators, the finale fight between the predalien and the predator was pretty cool. I hated the first one because it wasn't violent enough and the plot was just stupid, far more so than the second movie, and they made terrible use of the aliens and the predators.
Now I know there are some big plot holes in the movie, such as were did all the aliens come from we only saw four people get attacked by the facehuggers, but some how dozens of aliens appear. And what was up with the predalien impregnating that women since when was that an ability. The acting was average, but I wasn't expecting top notch.
As for the ending I wasn't confused at all by it. Weyland is dead, that was taken care of in AvP. His business partner, maybe wife takes up the company after his death and continues the work. Of course the big goof in all this isn't from the second movie its from the first by having Weyland in it, but thats a Paul W. Anderson mistake because he sucks balls.
I enjoyed the movie, after all the bad reviews and my eternal hate for the first one was I was glad that it didn't suck like I thought it would.
Dark Horse should have made this movie. They basically came up with most of the plot elements. Haven't read any of their AvP comics in a long time but I remember they were great ... much better than this crap.
I think the main thing that was wrong with it was too many human characters. If it was just a small band of people they could have given more time to developing them. As it is they have to share screen time with the predator, predalien and aliens.
I watched this and it was comparatively a blast. I say that because compared to the first one it was a hell of a lot of fun. By normal standards you still have crappy lines and silly characters 'people are dying!!!' :lookingup:
Like someone said below, you watch it for Aliens taking out people, Predators taking out Aliens, and us just getting mixed up with the lot.
The whole Yutani ending was painfully tacked on. It could have been much better developed as it's an actually interesting plot point [well potentially at least]. As it stands though I think they only included it because they had Weyland in the first one. I mean come on: "Earth is not ready for this technology" Pfft... what a lame plot line.
Have the conspiracy theme go throughout the film, building slowly and to the side so that in the end the betrayal becomes a lot more bitter and annoying.
As it stands the whole AVP franchise is sadly lacking in pop which is a very big disappointment, since I've always said there's so much potential there for excellence.
But that being said, it had some fun action and even though I hate it for being mindless, at least the directors for this film just ran with it instead of trying to make it a class act. At least I can't blame them for pretending to be something they're not.
An interesting post I came across online:
QuoteWHERE is the cool sequence where Reiko is firing that huge fifty caliber machine gun and screaming? It's in every trailer. It's in every tv spot but its not anywhere in the movie?????????? WHERE is Shareeka Epps (Half Nelson) entire role? She was announced as a co-lead. She shot for two months in Vancouver. She was interviewed about her role and spoke well of the film. And yet she's been cut out of the entire movie. Not cut down, cut completely out. WHERE is the very hyped sequence in the cemetery where Reiko and her daughter confront a crazed guy with a gun hiding from a Predator? In the scene the little girl won't stop crying and the guy wants to shoot the little girl and her Reiko and just before he does the Predator (seeing his gun) fires and blows his head off, spewing blood all over Reiko and her daughter. ??? The entire sequence has been cut from the movie. In an interview one of the Strauses said it would be on the DVD extended cut and were "disappointed" that it has been cut from the theatrical release. Who could have ordered the cutting of almost thirty minutes out of the theatrical release? Certainly not first time directors with no final cut. Here's what I heard. The Strause Bros. showed a two hour, five minute cut of the movie to executives around town who were interested in hiring them for other movies. It was received well and they were finalists for several fairly large movies. Fox reportedly told them to cut it down more and they did. But Fox wanted more cuts. Brothers Strause said they could not cut anymore or it would create numerous logic and pacing problems because of all the characters and their inter-connected storylines. But FOX ordered the film chopped down to 87 minutes. Why? Because they wanted to get in a fifth (and in some cases sixth) showing per day per theater. They did this with AVP and also with X MEN 3. They did it with Alien 3 over Fincher's major protest. Fincher said Fox's cuts "destroyed my film." Thirty minutes is a s**tload of time to cut from what the directors submit as their final cut. It's character moments, character relationships, dialogue, entire scenes and sequences, transitions, pacing. So Fox...let me ask you something. Was a fifth (or sixth) show per day per theater really worth all this fan anger?????????
That's an interesting point Foywonder, but I for one didn't see any trailers or much of anything purely because it wasn't advertised here. At all. As such I only had vague snippets to go on. Even with the added plot lines and character development, it still doesn't change how stupid alot of the lines were. If the cuts were of the same caliber they probably saved a whole lot of annoyed people.
That being said, I enjoyed the film as a whole, even if my friend said it was the worst movie he had ever spent money on and that the first 30 minutes were useless and could have been covered in 3 min.
It does seem ridiculous when they make movies for large fan bases and then sideline a lot of the plot to uninteresting human characters. AVP2 isn't too bad, as they don't take up a lot of screen after the first reel and a half, but still.
Transformers is the worst case scenario I've seen of this obnoxious phenomena. It was interesting watching Masters of the Universe last night. The creators apparently felt some need to connect the film to the real world (I'd guess partly for budget reasons and to draw in non-fan audiences), but you know where the score is in it - the first 20 minutes only has actual He-Man characters, and for the most part the film focuses mostly on them.
But yeah, I want an AVP movie focusing almost entirely on Aliens and Preds.
Quote from: dean on January 02, 2008, 05:14:38 AM
That being said, I enjoyed the film as a whole, even if my friend said it was the worst movie he had ever spent money on and that the first 30 minutes were useless and could have been covered in 3 min.
I thought it was one of the worse movies that I've ever seen. It actually made the 1st movie seem halfway decent by comparison which is pretty sad IMO.
Whose idea was it to film the movie in almost pitch black darkness?!! I couldn't tell what was going on for much of it.
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I really enjoyed this movie. I was finally able to go see it tonight (by myself, the wife wanted nothing to do with it). The film was extremely bloody and full of fights between Aliens and a Predator. What more could you want? I remember walking out of the first AVP movie all p**sed off, but I walked out of this one thinking it was pretty good.
Plot holes, wooden characters, and bad dialogue are expected in a movie like this. Get over it.
Quote from: Bmeansgood on January 06, 2008, 10:57:58 PM
Plot holes, wooden characters, and bad dialogue are expected in a movie like this. Get over it.
Maybe so, but did they have to send the lighting technicians home or did they go on strike or something?
QuoteMaybe so, but did they have to send the lighting technicians home or did they go on strike or something?
in what part is this darkness you speak of?
I agree with Joe. It was mostly done at night. Night time scenes tend to be dark, and even then I saw everything clearly.
What lighting problems were there that weren't in the last bajillion Alien films starting with Ridley Scott's unique lighting styles in Alien [now THAT film was dark at times and great for it]
I was going to start a new thread but after some searching, I found this old thread and figured I'd post my opinion here.
I rented this on DVD for $1 from a Redbox vending machine last night and just finished watching it.
One word sums up this movie:
HYBRID
Definition: "Genetics The offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock, especially the offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties, species, or races."
This movie is all about hybrids.
The predalien is a hybrid of the xenomorph and predator.
And AVP2 is literally a hybrid of all the Predator and Alien films combined.
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I thought AVP2 was great up until the Army Reserve forces arrived. Up until that point, it was very original and had some decent buildup. :thumbup:
Once the Reserves show up, it basically went something like this:
Me: "Hmmm... They ripped that off from Aliens. Hmmm... They ripped that off from Predator."
One can look at these "thefts" in two ways.
a.) The film makers have the utmost respect for both franchises and wanted to include the best of both.
or..
b.) They "stole" from those other movies to make this film.
I think it's a bit of both.
When you hear the Army guys over the sheriff's radio fighting the aliens and the sound effects are almost IDENTICAL to Ripley listening to the Marines fighting the xenomorphs under the atmosphere processor in Aliens, you will cringe.
When you hear the older brother yell to his comrades, "Get to the chopper!" near the end, you will cringe.
I think I actually said out loud, "No they didn't! No way they just did/said that!"
But yes, they did.
It's almost as if the writer got lazy after he wrote the first half of the movie.
There were a couple of "OH S**T!" moments in the movie. Like when the Predator throws a couple of twin retractable blade throwing stars (we saw them in AVP1) down a long hospital hallway at two aliens and ends up killing one of the humans you were sure was going to live.
Over at Filmthreat.com, one of their reviewers stated that he left the film with a "bland aftertaste" in his mind and I felt the same.
The movie is all buildup with a lame payoff.
And yes, it totally is a hybrid of all the Alien & Predator movies combined.
Is that a good thing?
It could've been if it were written better and parts of it were not blatantly copied from the other films.
I give it 2.5 stars out of 4.
I don't care how bad it is, I'm hopelessly in love with these monsters.
This one is on my rental list...for after I get a flatscreen :wink:
I still haven't seen it. From what I've read, it sounds like it might be a little better than the last one, but still, the last one turned me off to these movies forever.