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Title: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Rambo on March 06, 2008, 06:55:32 PM
Hi guys, I was wondering if any of you like to read an occasional comic-book.
And if so, which ones  you like most. No super-hero stuff please and no marvel as I am beyond this age already (since I was 10 btw). So here are some recommendations for those who know what I am talking about:

"The all hole penetratomat"; Pretty much all of Warren Ellis, especially "Desolation Jones", "Global Frequency", "Fell" and "Necromancer"; Brian Pulido´s "War Angel"; Johnen Vasquez "Johnny the homicidal maniac"; Alex Ross "Kingdom Come" (ok, here´s an exception); Dan Schaffer´s "Scribbler"; Alan Moores "Promethea"; Arthur Adam´s "Monkey Man and O´Brian";

Some Mangas: Lone Wolf & Cub; Berserk; Blame; The Analomator
Bring it on
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Patient7 on March 06, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
Simosons comics and Mad magazine's many HI-larious comics.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: nshumate on March 06, 2008, 08:52:55 PM
The Walking Dead from Image.

(Your blanket condemnation of Marvel smacks of snobbery, I have to say -- Ed Brubaker's current run on Captain America is just about the best cloak-and-dagger comic you're going to find).
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Inyarear on March 06, 2008, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: nshumate on March 06, 2008, 08:52:55 PM(Your blanket condemnation of Marvel smacks of snobbery, I have to say -- Ed Brubaker's current run on Captain America is just about the best cloak-and-dagger comic you're going to find).

Likewise the shunning of superheros. Sure, the genre's been done just about every way it can be, but superhero comics from those very first Superman comics up to the Watchmen and beyond have had a profound influence on our culture. You want some good non-superhero comics, you might check out some of the more dramatic manga from Japan.

One that comes to mind is Koi Kaze, which is as horrific a love story as any I've ever read. You may have seen a happy ending to a horror story, and you may even have seen a horrifying ending to a romantic story, but this one's got a happy ending that's horrifying anyway.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Killer Bees on March 06, 2008, 09:59:20 PM
I was never really into comics as a kid, but I did read voraciously.

The few that I did read were horror stuff and I can only remember a couple of stories.  They scared the willies out of me.  I also liked Mad magazine and used to collect them but not any more
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Rambo on March 07, 2008, 05:17:15 AM
@Killer Bees
Why, that´s all very interesting, please continue with the story of your life :lookingup:

One that I forgot but will mention quickly now (before someone else does :twirl: )
Niel Gaiman - "Sandman"... just plain fantastic
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: RCMerchant on March 07, 2008, 08:34:29 AM
Gosh...no Marvel comics? No Superheros? Huh?

Not much of a comics reader of the so-called "sophisticated" stuff... I haven't read to many since a kid. But I loved  old KID COLT-OUTLAW,SGT.FURY and his HOWLING COMMANDOS,Kirby era CAPTAIN AMERICA (with the FALCON of course!), MONSTERS on the PROWL, the INVADERS, COMBAT KELLY,Kirby's the ETERNALS,MR.MACHINE,DEVIL DINOSAUAR,Warren mags the SPIRIT,CREEPY EERIE ,VAMPIRELLA, Wrightstons SWAMP THING,Mike Ploog era MAN-THING,Ploog era PLANET of the APES,Gene Colons TOMB of DRACULA and DRACULA LIVES! John Buscema's CONAN!!!! Cripes! I could go on forever!
I still buy a few old Kirby giant monster comic, Sgt.Fury, and Creepy and Spirit mags from flea markets and garage sales when I run into 'em though.

And why rag on Killer Bees? Kinda rude,I would say...If she want's to tell the story of her life...hell, I'LL read it! Might be dam interesting!

Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on March 08, 2008, 02:01:16 AM
My man, I got ya covered.

Anything by Evan Dorkin:
Milk & Cheese
Dork
Hectic Planet
Bill & Ted
(ect.)

Jhonen Vasquez:
Squee!
Johnny the Homicidal Maniac
Filler Bunny
I Feel Sick
Bad Art Collection
Everything Can be Beaten
(ect.)

Frank Miller:
Sin City
300
....and you said no super-hero stuff, so I guess you wouldnt be interested in his awsome Batman and Daredevil stuff.

Peter Bagge:
Hate
Sweatshop
(ect.)


And you should check out this one book called "The Damned". Its about the moffia and Demons!! Neet-o!


Oh, I almost forgot! Any of the old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle stuff!! I've been hunting that stuff down.
Also, the "Tales of the T.M.N.T." books are really good.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Mofo Rising on March 08, 2008, 04:11:45 AM
I must say that's not cool ragging on Killer Bees. It's impolite and not the way we like to roll.

However, I do love comics. I'm glad that KYGOTC mentioned The Damned, that was one cool series. And he mentioned Evan Dorkin! That KYGOTC guy knows cool!

I'm going to second The Walking Dead, which is one series I look forward to every month, which means it's one of the best. I also look forward to Usagi Yojimbo, which is a funny animal series, but just incredibly good. If you want a samurai comic, this is your choice.

Non-superhero, eh? Well, try the graphic novels Blankets by Craig Thompson and Epileptic by David B. Both memoir type books, which are very good.

Watchmen is Alan Moore's crowning work, but if you don't like superheroes, check our From Hell, which is probably his most accomplished work, only there are very few who are willing to follow him down that weird path. Trust me, it's one hell of a lot better than that crappy movie they made out of it. (I don't have high hopes for the Watchmen movie.)

Also, check out Berlin by Jason Lutes. Or Jimmy Corrigan by that Acme Novelty guy.

Want action? Matt Wagner is incredibly good. His current Grendel storyline is something else, but if you want pure action, get Grendel: War Child, one of the best self-contained storylines I've ever read.

These are all suggestions. I love comics, and could talk about them all day. Ever read Eightball? Check it out.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on March 08, 2008, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: Mofo Rising on March 08, 2008, 04:11:45 AM

However, I do love comics. I'm glad that KYGOTC mentioned The Damned, that was one cool series. And he mentioned Evan Dorkin! That KYGOTC guy knows cool!

Heh, yea I guess he is pretty niffty.


Quote from: Mofo Rising on March 08, 2008, 04:11:45 AM
I'm going to second The Walking Dead, which is one series I look forward to every month, which means it's one of the best. I also look forward to Usagi Yojimbo, which is a funny animal series, but just incredibly good. If you want a samurai comic, this is your choice.

Eh, I couldnt really get into that WALKING DEAD stuff. It s too much about the living and not enough about the un-dead. Everyone else on the planet loves it though, so maybe theres something wrong with me.

N
Quote from: Mofo Rising on March 08, 2008, 04:11:45 AMon-superhero, eh? Well, try the graphic novels Blankets by Craig Thompson and Epileptic by David B. Both memoir type books, which are very good.

Also dig Craig Tompson's "GOODBYE CHUNKY RICE"


Quote from: Mofo Rising on March 08, 2008, 04:11:45 AM
Want action? Matt Wagner is incredibly good. His current Grendel storyline is something else, but if you want pure action, get Grendel: War Child, one of the best self-contained storylines I've ever read.

Grendel is really cool, but most of the time the story confuses the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Patient7 on March 08, 2008, 03:29:32 PM
That was very rude of you Rambo, in fact, I would write my life story on this board out of spite right now, but I've got stuff to do.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: ToyMan on November 14, 2008, 07:18:14 PM
i made a simple little slideshow-type video for one of my favorite comics of all time, black hole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlxORUUcu4

it was released as a graphic novel earlier this year, and i'd suggest that anyone who doesn't like capes/codenames/sidekicks should look into it.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on November 15, 2008, 02:16:49 AM
Quote from: ToyMan on November 14, 2008, 07:18:14 PM
i made a simple little slideshow-type video for one of my favorite comics of all time, black hole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOlxORUUcu4

it was released as a graphic novel earlier this year, and i'd suggest that anyone who doesn't like capes/codenames/sidekicks should look into it.


People keep telling me to pick that up, but the book is rahter pricy, probobly because its so friggin' BIG. So its on my to do list.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: ToyMan on November 15, 2008, 04:22:58 AM
believe me, if you're into this sort of thing, it's totally worth it at $16-$18 dollars.

i would note, however, that the collected graphic novel doesn't include all of the gorgeous color cover illustrations that i used in my slideshow.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: WingedSerpent on November 15, 2008, 01:27:13 PM
There's Boneyard by Richard Moore.  Its about a man who inherits a graveyard that is home to all sorts of monsters like a werewolf, a vampire, a fish-woman.  It sounds like a horror book, right?  In actuallity its more of a comedy, situation comic book.  There's no blood.  Most stuff is played for laughs.  It's not R-but maybe a little more than PG-13 if it was rated on a movie scale.

The Goon is non-superhero book that I really enjoy.  There supposedly making a cartoon movie of it.  The Goon defends the citizens of the city form The Zombie Preist and other evil forces.  He does it under the disguise of a thug working for a violent mobster (who he killed years ago)  Currently the staus-qo of the book is changing dramtically, so find some of the TPB, or back issues.  This book would be labeld as horror comedy. A bit darker than the Ghostbusters.

Blue Water Comics is doing a lot of mini-series based on old movies like 20 Million Miles to Earth, Eath vs the Flying Saurces.  There getting ready to luanch some based on Leprechaun and Warlock.

This series is about to end, but I highly recommend Planetary by Warren Ellis.  It's not technically a super-hero book, but rather about the discovery of the secret history of superheroes.  Its more science fiction and mystery that super heroic adventures.  The art was amazing, the writing was super smart.  I've told peole this was one of the best books out there when it was created.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: dean on November 17, 2008, 05:20:48 AM

Preacher is an awesome series, and I quite enjoyed Y The Last Man [though the ending left me a little cold]

Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: WilliamWeird1313 on November 17, 2008, 08:41:51 AM


Saint Swithin's Day


a MUST-read
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on November 17, 2008, 04:40:55 PM
I just read THE BUMMER TRILOGY by Evan Dorkin as well as a few other obscure titles.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: ToyMan on November 26, 2008, 03:37:13 AM
anyone who likes dorkin's stuff might enjoy misery loves comedy (http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?type=1&catalogId=10001&simple=1&defaultSearchView=List&keyword=misery+loves+comedy&LogData=%5Bsearch%3A+143%2Cparse%3A+147%5D&searchData=%7BproductId%3Anull%2Csku%3Anull%2Ctype%3A1%2Csort%3Anull%2CcurrPage%3A1%2CresultsPerPage%3A25%2CsimpleSearch%3Atrue%2Cnavigation%3A5185%2CmoreValue%3Anull%2CcoverView%3Afalse%2Curl%3Arpp%3D25%26view%3D2%26type%3D1%26nav%3D5185%26simple%3Dtrue%26book_search%3Dmisery%2Bloves%2Bcomedy%2Cterms%3A%7Bbook_search%3Dmisery+loves+comedy%7D%7D&storeId=13551&sku=1560977922&ddkey=http:SearchResults), by ivan brunetti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Brunetti).
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Hammock Rider on November 26, 2008, 12:50:42 PM
Bone
Tom Strong
Thieves and Kings
MouseGuard
100 Bullets
Fables
Wanted
Y: The Last Man
Nexus
Badger
From Hell
Bacchus
Sandman
Sandman Mystery Theater
Maus( That's NOT for kids)
Ronin
Criminal

  Some of these do have superheroes but you should read them anyway because they are both fun and smart. If you just plain don't like superheroes, thats a matter of taste but don't dismiss them all as childish just because you've only read childish comics. A good story is a good story regardless of genre. Would you call The Dark Knight kid stuff?
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: Rattrap007 on November 27, 2008, 09:50:01 PM
Living with Zombies (http://www.mattbillman.com/default.asp?p=c&t=6)

Great little comic. Zombies take over the city of Evansville, In and they only ones who can stop it are two slacker idiots with a love for comic books.

It is drawn (primarily) by a local guy Matt Billman and is set in my hometown. There was another guy who worked on the comic as well. He did the more highly detailed drawings. But he moved and never got around to the work so Billman went ahead and took over the drawing as well as his job of writing. My local comic book dealer is also in the comic. The drawing you see of his store is what it looks like in real life! A lot of the buildings are what you can see in the comic.

It is all online so you can read through the ten issues (so far)
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: JaseSF on December 01, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
American Splendor
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on December 02, 2008, 10:10:19 AM
Right now Im reading MAUS.

not bad.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: dean on December 03, 2008, 07:29:18 AM
Quote from: KYGOTC on December 02, 2008, 10:10:19 AM
Right now Im reading MAUS.

not bad.

Yeah but not exactly a happy one either is it...
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: WilliamWeird1313 on December 03, 2008, 07:34:38 AM
Quote from: dean on December 03, 2008, 07:29:18 AM
Quote from: KYGOTC on December 02, 2008, 10:10:19 AM
Right now Im reading MAUS.

not bad.

Yeah but not exactly a happy one either is it...


Nevertheless, classic.


Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: ToyMan on December 03, 2008, 02:30:04 PM
i work at a bookstore, and every now and then someone will be like "i was very offended to see that you have comic books in your holocaust section!", to which we can only shake our heads and say "i'm sorry to hear that, but did you, perhaps, look inside those comic books to see why we might have put them there?"...
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on December 05, 2008, 09:08:15 AM
Quote from: ToyMan on December 03, 2008, 02:30:04 PM
i work at a bookstore, and every now and then someone will be like "i was very offended to see that you have comic books in your holocaust section!", to which we can only shake our heads and say "i'm sorry to hear that, but did you, perhaps, look inside those comic books to see why we might have put them there?"...

losers.
Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: WilliamWeird1313 on December 09, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: ToyMan on December 03, 2008, 02:30:04 PM
i work at a bookstore, and every now and then someone will be like "i was very offended to see that you have comic books in your holocaust section!", to which we can only shake our heads and say "i'm sorry to hear that, but did you, perhaps, look inside those comic books to see why we might have put them there?"...

At least it isn't a pop-up book.

Title: Re: Good Comic Books, no super-heroes
Post by: KYGOTC on December 09, 2008, 12:51:20 PM
Marvel's ROBOCOP


The original TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES


THE TICK


and FLAMING CARROT COMICS