Wow, what a sad show. Its like a car wreck, I just kept watching: Apache vs Gadiator. Seems like a parody show that would be on the Simpsons as a gag.
They set up a lab and have "experts" demonstrate the fighting technique then run a computer simulation 1000 times to see who wins. Lots of typical reality show dialouge that would make anyone cringe. One guy asked the Apache archer which of the arrows was his favorite, "which ever one goes through your heart" was his response. Another Apache beats on a dummy with a tomahawk then nonchalantly strolls by the Gladiator expert as he says "dead gladiator."
Found this list of upcoming shows:
Pirate vs. Knight, Taliban vs. IRA, Yakuza vs. Mafia, Viking vs. Samurai, Green Beret vs. Spetznaz, Maori vs. Shaolin Monks, William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu and Ninja vs. Spartan.
I actually liked it. Super-cheesy, but I like super-cheesy. And I'm actually kinda curious to see some of these outcomes, as shoddy as the psuedoscience might be.
The actual fight recreation scene at the end was the best. Awesomely cheesy.
Mm-mmm. That's good cheddar.
another in a series of shows Spike puts on after TUF that I will not likely watch
I like this show so far. Yes, it's stupid cheesy fun. Especially at the end when the two combatants "fight". I love it how they have to stop and use each weapon they talked about in the show.
"Time to use the battle axe,"
"Hang on while I prep my bow and arrow"
and I love how the set up seems to be the two were just walking around looking for someone to fight.
Reminds me of Animal Face-Off from a couple years ago. Only, they due a better job of conceiling the winner until the end.
I do have two problems (well one and a half problems-because they are related to each other)
First: Who decided who was fighting who? Apache vs Gladiator? Um..O.k. Not really seeing any conection there. Pirate vs Knight? Seems strange . Why not settle the Pirate vs Ninja debate once and for all.
Which leads me to the second or sub point problem.
IRA vs Tailban.
Are they really going to have some experts talk about the superiority of a terrorist group? Esp one we're currently fighting in a war?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4z5t7NwZf0
I enjoy seeing what the weapons can do to their ballistic gel mannequin, but that's about it. The whole trash talking thing is really forced and awkward. The battles are silly, like they stand around waiting for the other guy to get his weapon out, lol. They were talking about the whole Berserker mentality of the Viking, then they've got the guy patiently standing there waiting for the Ninja to take careful aim with his bow and arrow. Oops, missed. Wanna try again? Okay, I'll just keep standing here. Lucky for you that it's not occurring to me to use my shield. Hey, when do I get my turn?
I don't see how a computer simulation can be of any relevance, how can you possibly quantify skill? Or for that matter, bloodlust?
But I'll probably watch it again, just because everything else on TV sucks sooooooooooooo bad.
It seems like they're "homaging (?)" that show that used computer simulations to pit various animals against each other. It's an interesting idea but I think the execution is pretty lousy.
Heh, I read about it here:http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/2009/04/09/deadliest-warrior/ (http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/2009/04/09/deadliest-warrior/)
Funny "review", check it out.
I watched Spartan vs Ninja and that one seemed a little better, but only because the trash talking was better.
I think the Ninja would have fared better if they left out the eggs and throwing stars. The computer calculates how deadly the attacks are. Blinding your opponenent is good in a battle but in the program that they use on the show it looks for number of kills from each weapon.
Seems like the ninjas were a little geeky, like the Apache and the Spartans were the jocks, like the Gladiators. Pirate vs Knight coming up next, I think those will all be geeks.
I've been entertained by it. I had a friend who ragged on the samurai one a lot due to its historical blunders, in relation to left out info and the way they used weapons.
The one thing I find particularly ridiculous - they apparently don't take size into consideration. They had the samurai beating a viking by a thin margin, but the one thing they failed to mention (though it is shown in their stats) is that the Vikings, being northern europeans, are WAY bigger than 17th century Japanese warriors (I think their stats put it at a 50 pound weight difference, and like 6 inches of height). When fighting in melee, raw strength and size make a big difference, and they completely neglected it.
But, I am a little curious about the Spetznaz VS Green Beret. There's so little info on the Spetznaz in comparison to Green Berets, kind of wonder what they're going to talk about. Wonder if they'll address the Spetznaz and the legendary shovel they supposedly kill people with. I'd also have thought they'd have used the Delta Force, as they seem like a closer comparison.
But yeah, ridiculous and cheesy, but entertaining.
Quote from: inframan on April 28, 2009, 09:23:40 AM
Pirate vs Knight coming up next, I think those will all be geeks.
I would think the pirate should do pretty well, seeing as they had guns :teddyr:
Quote from: Jack on April 28, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
Quote from: inframan on April 28, 2009, 09:23:40 AM
Pirate vs Knight coming up next, I think those will all be geeks.
I would think the pirate should do pretty well, seeing as they had guns :teddyr:
It would depend on what type of knight and what type of armor. Later era plate armor is "proved". They would shoot the chest plate, and this would just leave a dent, proving that it could withstand bullets of the time - likely matchlock rifles, which are quite similar in terms of performance to a flint lock. Assuming a pirate was unable to stop the knight from closing, I think it is extremely clear who would win in a melee...
If you ever go to a museum with a lot of armor on display, check the front and rear chest plates. Those from the 14th and 15th centuries often have the proven dent.
Can't say I agree with the out come of pirate vs. knight, but it was fun to watch. Man, that morning star and halberd did some incredible damage on those ballistic gel dummies.
Next week, Mafia vs Yakuza!
If I ever see a guy with a morning star, I'm just running as fast as I can in the opposite direction :teddyr:
Well, I watched most of the Pirate VS Knight episode. Pretty much as I expected. It was pretty ridiculous, especially the final dramatized fight. I particularly liked how the pirate in it took TWO morningstars to the face from a mounted knight at FULL GALLOP and was unfazed. This was especially amusing considering the effects a morningstar did to their fake skull thing earlier - crushed it into about 30 pieces, sending brain matter everywhere.
As usual, they seemed to overlook a great deal - as far as I could tell, they completely ignored the knight's shield as a defense. And they vastly overstated the effectiveness and commonality of the blunderbuss and grenado. Why would a pirate even be carrying ALL of these weapons? And what are the odds he'd have a chance of successfully landing an unreliable fuse driven grenade at something galloping at him at 20 MPH? Not to mention the psychological effect of a metal plated man charging you on horseback.
In their own tests, one pellet from the blunderbuss was able to penetrate plate armor, and as I said they ignored the possibility of the shield blocking it. I also fail to see how a single pellet would be a near fatal blow in most instances. Bah.
Regardless, there are plenty of good reasons the knight fell into disuse as a warrior - firearms were certainly a big one. But this had a lot to do with the ease of training a great deal of firearms users in comparison to bows - economic reasons. Someone wearing full plate on horseback fully armed, against someone with a handful of smoothbore firearms 30 feet away? I'm betting on the man on the horse.
Quote from: Jim H on April 29, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
I particularly liked how the pirate in it took TWO morningstars to the face from a mounted knight at FULL GALLOP and was unfazed. This was especially amusing considering the effects a morningstar did to their fake skull thing earlier - crushed it into about 30 pieces, sending brain matter everywhere.
I thought that was the most comical part as well, along with the pirate not thinking of shooting the horse. :teddyr: And the pirate somehow timing out the grenade detonation so precisely, that only happens in movies. And of course you can take a crossbow bolt in the leg and still run pretty well.
So this week they're going to have Spetsnaz vs. Special Forces. I can just imagine two guys shooting at each other, but of course it has to come down to hand-to-hand combat, so they'll both have to miss. Maybe they'll be staggering around with several bullets in each of them, but still do some good unarmed combat?
Quote from: Jack on May 12, 2009, 06:48:20 AM
So this week they're going to have Spetsnaz vs. Special Forces. I can just imagine two guys shooting at each other, but of course it has to come down to hand-to-hand combat, so they'll both have to miss. Maybe they'll be staggering around with several bullets in each of them, but still do some good unarmed combat?
One thing I do like is they're obviously showcasing the Spetsnaz shovel. I've heard stories about that, like how they supposedly could kill people by throwing the things.
Either way, as silly as it may be, I'm interested to see it.
This show rocks...
http://www.spike.com/show/31082
I actually started a topic on it and missed this one. I love the lab setting and them showing the actual damage. I caught the Shaka Zulu Vs William Wallace episode. Wallace kind of owned Zulu.
I saw the IRA VS Taliban one. No surprises there who won, considering who and what the Taliban are...
I also think remarks about the accuracy of the AK47 VS the AR15 are ridiculous at the ranges they're talking about. It's also fairly obnoxious when they showcase newer weapons from different people who have MANY, and obviously pick a weaker one for one side just so they can say they have the edge. It's not as if the Taliban didn't have any high explosives more powerful than a landmine at their disposal - they were in the middle of a constant, ongoing warzone for a decade.
Meh, mediocre episode.
IRA vs Taliban one was ok like Jim said. I really think terrain should be taken into account with these battles.
Quote from: The DarkSider on June 01, 2009, 09:04:21 PM
IRA vs Taliban one was ok like Jim said. I really think terrain should be taken into account with these battles.
I thought that final fight was kind of funny.
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One IRA guy takes out 3 Taliban at the end. Some of the fight seemed really slapstick too.
Spoilers on Taliban/IRA episode...
Winged Serpent, you know what...you're totally on to something there. The part with the nailbomb on the bus you could almost here the "wah wah wah wahhhhhh..." when the guy was trapped in there.
Finnaly saw Shaolin vs Maori, funny how one weapon put them over the top, I tought the islanders were gonna have the advantage by the end.
Spetsnaz own.