I wanted to see this movie when I first heard about it, but based on the trailers I'm posting this in the "Bad Movies" forum. Explosions? EXPLOSIONS? Why the hell are there explosions in a Sherlock Holmes movie? I don't remember Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce getting blown up. Can ANYONE make a movie without explosions?
Looks like Holmes and Watson practice kung fu, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4K3aM5H5KM
It's going to be bad, and not in a good way.
I saw the preview last year, and my immediate reaction was -
"That is NOT Sherlock Holmes!"
A.C. Doyle must be spinning in his grave.
The lead casting would have worked much better the other way around: Jude Law as Holmes and Downey, Jr. as Watson.
Seeing as how it's a Guy Ritchie movie, I'm not going to bother seeing it.
The one thing I will say is it IS established Sherlock has done bare knuckle boxing before. I agree the film looks ridiculous, but I'm betting at the very least Robert Downey will be entertaining in it. Not sure if I'll see this one in the theatre or not...
Quote from: The Burgomaster on December 01, 2009, 08:51:50 PM
I wanted to see this movie when I first heard about it, but based on the trailers I'm posting this in the "Bad Movies" forum. Explosions? EXPLOSIONS? Why the hell are there explosions in a Sherlock Holmes movie? I don't remember Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce getting blown up. Can ANYONE make a movie without explosions?
Hmmmmm... Have you seen...
Sherlock Holmes and the Secret Weapon (1943)
Plot: Starting in Switzerland, Sherlock Holmes rescues the inventor of a bomb-sight which the allies want to keep from the Nazis...
Although, I always thought it was odd that a Detective from the 1880's would be inside an bomber testing the "Bomb-sight" accuracy during World War 2. Hmmmmm... If Holmes was 40 years old in 1880's he should be 100 in the 1940's... :)
Sherlock Holmes, in the original stories, did know martial arts -- it's mentioned in passing in one story ("The Final Problem," I believe) that he's a practitioner of Bartitsu, pseudo-Japanese wrestling/self-defense.
I see advertisements for this film around a lot and it just looks disappointing to me. They're trying to turn Sherlock Holmes into a James Bond-sort of character, and it just doesn't work.
Quote from: Saucerman on December 02, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Sherlock Holmes, in the original stories, did know martial arts -- it's mentioned in passing in one story ("The Final Problem," I believe) that he's a practitioner of Bartitsu, pseudo-Japanese wrestling/self-defense.
I see advertisements for this film around a lot and it just looks disappointing to me. They're trying to turn Sherlock Holmes into a James Bond-sort of character, and it just doesn't work.
hehe... every Sherlock Holmes movie made in the 1970's had a James Bond/Batman feel...
(http://alsolikelife.com/shooting/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/private_life_of_sherlock_holmes_1970.jpg)
(http://www.horror-wood.com/asit.h3.jpg)
(http://www.dreammovies.net/affiches/sherholm.jpg)
Movie poster of The Seven-Per-Cent Solution (1976)
Although, Young Sherlock Holmes from the 1980's seemed like a clash between Indiana Jones and MacGyver (Although we all know Harry Potter came from that box office bomb)
:)
This looks like it will bomb.
Quote from: Saucerman on December 02, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Sherlock Holmes, in the original stories, did know martial arts -- it's mentioned in passing in one story ("The Final Problem," I believe) that he's a practitioner of Bartitsu, pseudo-Japanese wrestling/self-defense.
I was afraid someone might bring that up. :smile: But "established in passing" is a long way from "plays a major role in the story." If Holmes is solving problems with his fists instead of his mind, well, he just ain't Holmes to me.
Quote from: Saucerman on December 02, 2009, 01:41:18 PM
Sherlock Holmes, in the original stories, did know martial arts -- it's mentioned in passing in one story ("The Final Problem," I believe) that he's a practitioner of Bartitsu, pseudo-Japanese wrestling/self-defense.
I was about to say the same thing, but I couldn't remember the name of the martial art. It was actually developed by, I think, a British native who travelled to Asia and decided to adapt some their fighting styles for "civilized" white men.
As for the James Bond/Batman feel... I don't really mind that so much. I mind more that it looks like they're going for a Van Helsing feel. The movie, not the character.
What's the deal? From the trailer it is quite obvious that this is not a serious movie and I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
Quote from: Trekgeezer on December 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
What's the deal? From the trailer it is quite obvious that this is not a serious movie and I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
Yeah, this actually looks kinda funny, but I'd just rent it, not see it in theaters.
Quote from: Trekgeezer on December 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
What's the deal? From the trailer it is quite obvious that this is not a serious movie and I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
I tend to agree. As soon as I saw the trailer, I knew they are just using an established character to make a movie. If the movie was called "Edwin Barrister," would you even give it a second glance? But you hear Sherlock Holmes and it rings a bell in even the most dimwitted of the populace. 10 second into the trailer, I knew better than to expect a faithful rendition. All I can ask is that the movie is entertaining and doesn't insult me within the confines of its own structure (meaning, if they establish something in the film, I don't want them to ignore it to get a really cool ending...cough*Jurassic Park*cough).
As long as there is no Madonna stranded on an island for two hours, I'll give this a try on DVD.
I, for one, think I will see this in theaters.
Quote from: Javakoala on December 05, 2009, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: Trekgeezer on December 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
What's the deal? From the trailer it is quite obvious that this is not a serious movie and I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
I tend to agree. As soon as I saw the trailer, I knew they are just using an established character to make a movie. If the movie was called "Edwin Barrister," would you even give it a second glance?
Actually, I
might watch it (though frankly the trailer makes the film look pretty unoriginal and crappy) if it wasn't named Holmes. That's precisely what I thought; they should have just made a new character and given him a new name, and started their own franchise.
However, I am not in the audience big-budget Hollywood producers are aiming at. If they do the opposite of what I want every time, they will make a ton of money.
Quote from: Rev. Powell on December 06, 2009, 07:39:24 PM
Quote from: Javakoala on December 05, 2009, 12:08:04 PM
Quote from: Trekgeezer on December 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
What's the deal? From the trailer it is quite obvious that this is not a serious movie and I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
I tend to agree. As soon as I saw the trailer, I knew they are just using an established character to make a movie. If the movie was called "Edwin Barrister," would you even give it a second glance?
Actually, I might watch it (though frankly the trailer makes the film look pretty unoriginal and crappy) if it wasn't named Holmes. That's precisely what I thought; they should have just made a new character and given him a new name, and started their own franchise.
However, I am not in the audience big-budget Hollywood producers are aiming at. If they do the opposite of what I want every time, they will make a ton of money.
I feel you on that one. I tend to hate every big budget film I see. But Hollywood, as you know, has to rely on the marketing aspect for EVERYTHING. Holmes is a marketable name. It would be nice to think that if this thing, turkey or not, makes enough money, that the studio might use a bit of that to release a good, non-traditional film. I mean, "Where The Wild Things Are" sure wasn't a movie that I would look at and think, "Oh this is gonna wow them at the box office" but they released it anyhow.
As "The Facts Of Life" told us: You take the good. You take the bad. And there you have, the facts of life. Mrs. Garrett can't be wrong, right?
Frankly, I've no qualms about saying that I am definitely going to see it. But that's only because I have a friend who works at the local multiplex, so I get to see any/every movie that comes out that I'm even vaguely interested in for free.
As per the title and this whole thing with Sherlock Holmes being a marketable name and everything, the only thing that that bothers me a little is that I think that the title should be more like "Sherlock Holmes & The Case Of The Whatever-Blah-Blah-Blah" or something. Calling it JUST "Sherlock Holmes" makes it sound so cut-and-dry, like this is THE definitive Sherlock Holmes film, which is clearly is not. Maybe that's just me.
Well, someone must expect good things for it, as it opens during the Christmas holiday season, which is regarded as primetime for film releases.
I probably won't go see it on Christmas Day, as that is my day to visit the local zoo, which is one of the few things open on Christmas Day, but I'll probably go see it the weekend after Christmas Day.
Mainly, as I try to see every Sherlock Holmes film out there, but do I think Robert Downey, jr. will do as good of a job as Sherlock Holmes as Basil Rathbone, Christopher Plummer, Roger Moore, Christopher Lee, Matt Frewer, Peter Cushing, and Jeremy Brett or any other actor that I can remember who played Sherlock Holmes? No!
Quote from: Trekgeezer on December 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM
What's the deal? From the trailer it is quite obvious that this is not a serious movie and I for one am looking forward to seeing it.
Yeah, but the "not seriousness" looks like it wasn't done in a successful way. I'm still sad . . . :bluesad:
I fear this will be the "Wild, Wild West" of 2009. Maybe Will Smith should have played Holmes.
Quote from: The Burgomaster on December 09, 2009, 11:53:41 AM
I fear this will be the "Wild, Wild West" of 2009. Maybe Will Smith should have played Holmes.
Now
THAT I would go see!
I'll probably rent it, and not see it in theaters. It seems to be getting a lot of hype though. :hatred: