So I saw the Expendables at a midnight screening. Pretty crowded actually. I hope that's a good sign for the movie's box office, as I'd like a sequel.
Where to begin? Well, let's talk about what doesn't work first. The film has decidedly mixed reviews (looks comparable to Rambo), and I actually agree with many things the negative reviews say. There is some REALLY clunky dialogue in this film. And there's a few bits of just bad writing. But there's other stuff that is either bad in the good way (like Commando, only not that good) or is actually pretty good. Related, there are a few scenes that have some clunky transitional edits (like the fight with Statham in the basketball court), and just a few strange editing choices throughout. Basically, the film feels rough around the edges. And probably would have really benefited from a few reshoots or a longer shooting schedule - I'm betting that time constraints and scheduling problems with so many in-demand actors caused some problems (not to mention Stallone's neck injury, I'm guessing, lead to a strange ending to his fight with Steve Austin).
Another issue I have: this isn't enough of an ensemble piece. Too much of it feels like a Statham/Stallone buddy film, who just happen to have a couple kickass buddies (Randy Coutoure and Terry Crews - Jet Li does get a little extra time).
Are these issues quibbles? No, I felt they actually do detract from the film, but they don't ruin it. And in fact, as the film gets further along, the flaws kind of smooth out. They don't disappear (I still feel the editing is a little off in places) but they definitely smooth out.
Now, let's talk about what works.
There's a lot of comedy in this one that works really well. And the exaggerated machismo of this one is just great. The sequence with Bruce Willis, Schwarzenegger and Stallone is brief, but it really brought down the house (to the point the audience reaction actually drowned out a couple lines, particularly the last thing Stallone says about Schwarzenegger). I especially like how it leaves it open for both characters to have significant roles in a possible sequel. Even with a few bad lines in the scene, it still worked great. It was awesome seeing Schwarzenegger in the theatre again, even if for just a couple minutes.
The acting and comraderie between the Expendables works well, even though there isn't as much of it as I'd liked. The acting from all of them is actually pretty good (though Jet Li, as always, struggles with the English. His physical performance is still generally good). Terry Crews is hilarious - I think practically every line he has is good. Coutoure is also surprisingly decent.
Other people... The woman lead in this seemed kind of weak. It's kind of funny when you get out-acted by a pro wrestler and a guy from MMA. Gary Daniels is in this, who I suspect some on this board are familiar with (he's in many awful low budget martial arts films from the early 90s to now). I suspect his character is the one Jean-Claude Van Damme would have played. And yeah, he briefly fights Jet Li. Jet Li and Gary Daniels get in a fight in this movie. Isn't that enough reason to see it?
Eric Roberts is slimy and entertaining. Steve Austin is very intimidating. Dolph is Dolph, and that's a good thing. Mickey Rourke is... Weird, but OK.
As I said before, the macho factor in this one is gigantic. If you like that sort of thing, you'll find this film very entertaining.
Now, probably the biggest thing to wonder about in this one is the action. There's a few action scenes, and I have one major complaint - they're too modern. I'd have liked them to stylistically be a little more like the 80s films this movie is somewhat inspired by. That said, they range a bit in quality. The stunt work and explosions are fantastic, and a lot of the choreography is very good, but several times the geography of the fight is pretty unclear and the editing is a little too hectic.
This especially applies to the earlier action scenes. The climax of the film is better. And what a climax. Basically the last half hour of the film is one gigantic action set piece. Think, sort of, of the end of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, only there were five of them, they had high explosives, and were the most badass people EVER. There's just cool moment after awesome moment after even more badass moment, over and over and over. It's EXTREMELY crowd pleasing stuff, with lots of highly entertaining gore (even if it is often CG). I really don't want to spoil the ending of this, so I'll just say it has practically everything you could want in a climactic battle (except, maybe, some pathos or emotional catharsis, but hey, this ain't Shakespeare). Also, I like the demonstration by Stallone of just how fast you can reload a good pistol - something you don't see often enough in film.
In many ways, the film was an entertaining but highly flawed mercenary action film until the climax. That one sequence bench presses the film up a couple notches in my book.
8/10.
I'm interested in this one for sure.
QuoteBasically, the film feels rough around the edges.
Could that be because the spent so much on actor salaries that there wasn't enough left over for production? :bouncegiggle:
QuoteThere's a lot of comedy in this one that works really well. And the exaggerated machismo of this one is just great. The sequence with Bruce Willis, Schwarzenegger and Stallone is brief, but it really brought down the house (to the point the audience reaction actually drowned out a couple lines, particularly the last thing Stallone says about Schwarzenegger).
That's the kind of thing I'm looking for.
QuoteEric Roberts is slimy and entertaining.
:bouncegiggle: I was just commenting on that to my wife last night. I said "you just know Eric Roberts is gonna be a sleezeball."
I expect this is gonna be one to get the extra large popcorn for. Thanks for the review.
I just got back from a screening of the film. In short, I loved it. I kinda liked that it was just Sly and Statham for most of the film as they are the two actors with the best chops. They feel like buddies.
The violence here is extreme and excessive and all around awesome. People blown in half, decapitations, gun shots, etc etc etc. It felt like a great throwback to 80s movies. I was reminded most of Commando and Cobra.
Don't go in expecting a great script. Go in expecting everyone to ham it up and have a good time. I know I sure as hell did. I want to see it again!
As long as it's doesn't turn out to be Shoot 'Em Up, I'm in.
Quote from: Mr_Vindictive on August 13, 2010, 01:29:20 PM
The violence here is extreme and excessive and all around awesome. People blown in half, decapitations, gun shots, etc etc etc. It felt like a great throwback to 80s movies. I was reminded most of Commando and Cobra.
:thumbup: I really want to see it now
:thumbup: I read some bad reviews and I don't know what the reviewer was expecting, but the film was just what I expected.
I did like camaraderie between Stallone and Statham, especially the digs about Stallone's age.
I would best describe the movie as an overly testosterone fueled orgy of kick- assery.
QuoteI would best describe the movie as an overly testosterone fueled orgy of kick- assery
Now that's an endorsement.
Yay!!!! I just reached 1000 posts!!!! Give me my gold star, teacher.
Man, I didn't like it. It wasn't as funny as I'd hoped, much of the cast seemed disinterested (although Dolph Lundgren was great and I wish he'd had more screen time), the blood 'n' gore was phoney CGI stuff (this was originally going to be a PG-13 which would explain that), and the action scenes seemed dull and incoherant to me. I didn't hate the movie, but it just wasn't the fun experience I expected. *shrug*
I saw it on Thursday in Australia and it was overblown b-grade bulls**t 80's action but I couldn't help but think to myself that its just Rambo 5: The Expendables. Its nothing new its just a Rambo movie with action stars from yesteryear.
Quote from: Pilgermann on August 13, 2010, 07:05:39 PM
Man, I didn't like it. It wasn't as funny as I'd hoped, much of the cast seemed disinterested (although Dolph Lundgren was great and I wish he'd had more screen time), the blood 'n' gore was phoney CGI stuff (this was originally going to be a PG-13 which would explain that), and the action scenes seemed dull and incoherant to me. I didn't hate the movie, but it just wasn't the fun experience I expected. *shrug*
While I agree I'd have preferred more practical gore (like Rambo, which had a significant amount of it as well as CG gore), I'm willing to cut them some slack considering how much slower practical gore is to shoot and how problematic the film's scheduling was. Also, considering the dialogue and setups for the gore, while it may have been intended for PG-13 at one point, it definitely wasn't SHOT with that intention.
It's possible a PG-13 intention early on may have cut down on prep time for physical effects, though.
Amazing film. I've heard they might do a trilogy.
The hostage rescue part was awesome.
I saw it today. Leave your brain at the door, grab a bag of popcorn, sit back and enjoy violent, loud, macho summer entertainment at its finest. Worth every penny of the admission price for its sheer absurdity alone! One of the best "blow s**t up" movies in years.
This movie is GREAT. Manly MEN shoot guns and punch one another, stuff blows up, Mickey Roarke shows up for a few minutes to deliver some MANLY philosophy, and even the evil General gets to go out like a real MAN, defending his family and ideals.
There are flaws. You can tell that some of the actors were only available for a short time. For example, Statham doesn't interact with any of the other heroes in the big shootout at the end and his part of the action was obviously shot quickly.
The movie appears fragmented. There's a car chase that comes out of nowhere and goes back just as quickly. The scenes depicting Statham's personal life serve little purpose.
But, you know what? I came to see shootouts, brawls, and explosions. That's what I got and they even threw in a cool car chase I wasn't expecting, so I don't care about a few little flaws.
I have to agree that it delivers exaclty what you would expect of it and that alone makes it better than many of the movies I've seen lately. I had a good time, it was just some good, over the top macho man fun. My only gripe would be that I absolutely can not believe that Jet Li would lose a fight to Dolph Lundgren....twice!
Also, I loved Mickey Rourke smoking that "Gandalf" pipe.
QuoteMy only gripe would be that I absolutely can not believe that Jet Li would lose a fight to Dolph Lundgren....twice!
Why? Dolph is experienced in full contact karate and boxing, and is a foot taller and probably 80 pounds heavier than Li.
AND it was the #1 movie (by a pretty good margin) at the box office over the weekend. Maybe Julia Roberts should make a movie where she blows up a lot of stuff.
Quote from: The Burgomaster on August 16, 2010, 04:01:10 PM
AND it was the #1 movie (by a pretty good margin) at the box office over the weekend. Maybe Julia Roberts should make a movie where she blows up a lot of stuff.
:cheers: :bouncegiggle:
Julia Roberts in
Eat Pray Destroy
Quote from: Flick James on August 16, 2010, 04:06:53 PM
Julia Roberts in Eat Pray Destroy
:bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Unfortunately I'm going to have to wait until tomorrow to give you karma for that.
I finally got around to seeing it on Saturday.
It was okay. It definately was not boring. It was ridiculous, but then I expected that. They injected so much tesosterone into this flick that it like a tick about to burst. There were truly entertaining moments, like every time Dolph Lundgren showed up. I was actually surprised at how much I liked him. It comedy factor wasn't as high as I would have liked, and some moments were downright annoying. They certainly didn't have an ending for this. That ending bit was unbelievably stupid and, unfortunately, not in an entertaining way.
Overall it was entertaining and I liked it.
3.5/5
The story could been better but overall I liked it. I would give it *** out of ****.
I liked it. Probably one of the best action films I've seen lately.
Finally saw it, and enjoyed it for what it is, a rather brainless action stravaganza in the vein of "Commando". Once the action kicks in, in the shape of a plane strafing again and again over a pier crowded with bad guys, I was won over instantly.
Still, a part of me is still angry at Stallone. He joined a perfect cast of action heroes, yet himself and Statham get most of the screentime. I wanted more Jet Li and more Dolph Lundgren, but no. Instead we get Sly getting a tatoo in his back and Statham beating the s**t out of some scumbag. At least Eric Roberts seems to have fun playing the kind of well dressed slimy bastards he's been playing for years, and Mickey Rourke to steal every scene he's in.
And then there's the writing. One of the most horrid moments in "John Rambo" was that bit with the mercenaries talking about their testosterone soaked things onboard of Rambo's boat. This feels just like that, but for two hours straight. Stallone can come up with interesting concepts and create iconic characters, but that doesn't make him a good writer. Or a writer, for that matter. He's always been way overated in that aspect. Here he quickly gets the film moving after a boring first act, but some of the characters (specially the latinamerican tyrant and his daughter) are horribly developed, and the dialogue is also a main offender. "Now I can see inside you". Agggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!
And what's worse, Stallone plainly refuses to give anyhting any depth. Assembling such a cast and directing a 80s actioner in this PC era was a great opportunity to explore some of the subtext in those movies, or just to play the nostalgia angle and give us a "The Wild Bunch" with machiguns and oily muscles.
Instead, we get lots of explosions.
Quote from: Neville on September 08, 2010, 10:25:26 AM
Finally saw it, and enjoyed it for what it is, a rather brainless action stravaganza in the vein of "Commando". Once the action kicks in, in the shape of a plane strafing again and again over a pier crowded with bad guys, I was won over instantly.
Still, a part of me is still angry at Stallone. He joined a perfect cast of action heroes, yet himself and Statham get most of the screentime. I wanted more Jet Li and more Dolph Lundgren, but no. Instead we get Sly getting a tatoo in his back and Statham beating the s**t out of some scumbag. At least Eric Roberts seems to have fun playing the kind of well dressed slimy bastards he's been playing for years, and Mickey Rourke to steal every scene he's in.
And then there's the writing. One of the most horrid moments in "John Rambo" was that bit with the mercenaries talking about their testosterone soaked things onboard of Rambo's boat. This feels just like that, but for two hours straight. Stallone can come up with interesting concepts and create iconic characters, but that doesn't make him a good writer. Or a writer, for that matter. He's always been way overated in that aspect. Here he quickly gets the film moving after a boring first act, but some of the characters (specially the latinamerican tyrant and his daughter) are horribly developed, and the dialogue is also a main offender. "Now I can see inside you". Agggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!
And what's worse, Stallone plainly refuses to give anyhting any depth. Assembling such a cast and directing a 80s actioner in this PC era was a great opportunity to explore some of the subtext in those movies, or just to play the nostalgia angle and give us a "The Wild Bunch" with machiguns and oily muscles.
Instead, we get lots of explosions.
Some valid points. Very enjoyable, but could have been so much more. I would have loved to see more Dolph Lundgren for sure.
Ahhh... you want more Lundgren? Then more Lundgren you'll get:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMDXLrTs6Lo
Whatever you do, make sure you watch past 1:30.
I bought this sight unseen on the weekend, along with a rather delicious pizza so I ate the movie and watched the pizza. :wink: :wink:*
* Actually, it wasn't bad at all: I just go :buggedout: :buggedout: :buggedout: when I see the names Avi Lerner, Danny Lerner, Trevor Short and Danny Dimbort on a film's credits.
QuoteHe joined a perfect cast of action heroes, yet himself and Statham get most of the screentime.
I'm not 100% on this, but I believe a major reason it came out this way was because of scheduling issues. The film had TONS of scheduling problems because of all the popular people in it. I agree though, for the way the movie was advertised and sold I really wanted more time with the supporting cast. They were all good in the time they had, so more would have made it all the better.
I also agree there was some atrocious writing in this. Not all of it either - some of it was actually pretty good. It's kind of amazing how widely the quality of writing varies really.
I loved this movie. My only complaint was that there wasn't much of Bruce Willis or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Easily the best action movie I've seen in many years.
I am still bitter because I thought this movie was going to be about the sci-fi series of "Expendables" books by Richard Avery. My bubble was burst once I found out it wasn't related to the books. :hatred:
I was extremely bored and disappointed by this movie. Couldn't wait for it to end.
1.5 stars out of 4 and :thumbdown:
I hate that movie. I was expecting a brain-less guilty pleasure film of pure awesomeness with Stallone and Schwarzenegger together kicking ass. What we get is Arnold being on screen for 5 minutes in an insult duel with Stallone. No action involved what-so-freaking-ever. But yet that was the best scene in the film. The rest of the film was boring, and Mikey Rourke's irrelevant sub-plot plus camera angels that make me wish I was in charge of the cameras in that poorly shot film I just couldn't stand. After a while the film felt like an endurance test of how much cookie-cutter plot, pointless and impossible stunts, and boring-ass sub-plots I could take before leaving the theater. I had to take a break from the film I hated it so much.
I give it 2/10
The "2" is for that short debate between Stallone and Arnold. Other than that I thought that film was a piece of cinematic garbage.
Now if you'll excuse me I need to introduce Mr. Rourke to the concept of Botox.
You know, it's been a while since I saw during the theatrical run. Now that some time has passed, I find that although I enjoyed the flick at the time, I have this strange lack of any desire to watch it again.