Ever see a slasher film where the killer has quite legitimate beefs with the characters in the film? Generally speaking, the killer goes overboard in his revenge of course, but I find it fascinating when you can really see why he's doing what he's doing. It's relatively rare though.
Examples that come to mind: Cropsey in the Burning, where kids horribly burned him by pulling a pretty damn mean and dangerous prank.
The girls in House on Sorority Row, who do a HORRIBLE prank, probably the most obviously dangerous prank I've seen in a film like it. They didn't really deserve to DIE (except the girl whose idea the prank is, maybe) but they certainly deserved a thorough beating after that.
I know I've seen a few others. Any good ones?
Hmmm...
Revenge is a good motivator especially when your still seeking for revenge decades later... But saddly too many of these movies make annoying characters that I just dont care about and wish they die (which seems to be the intent of the slasher film)
I like my slashers when...
the logic makes almost no or very little sense...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A97EOtxF2gA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1p25MPEskQ
The slasher is a pervert...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuTtX0OPMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxxdiNtHlz0
Or there's an actual plot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDqcvRDTm0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLo0544ksiQ
I guess the kids in Prom Night had it comin'. Didn't they taunt one kid until he fell out the window, then they left him for dead. So he came back for his revenge years later.
I don't remember the names, but a ton of people in Pumpkinhead 2: Bloodwings or some crap like that really had it coming. That guy that ran the old lady over, broke into her house, stole her stuff, hit her on the head with his flashlight, and then set the place on fire with her in it so had it coming. SpoonyOne was completely right about him being an a*****e.
Not really a slasher movie, but most of the people who got whacked in "Carrie" had it coming, except for the one teacher.
I consider "victims who deserve it" a simptom that I'm watching a bad movie. There are a few films out there that are good and get away with it, such as Mario Bava's "Twitch of a dead nerve", but they're the exception.
"I Know What You Did Last Summer" all the way. That's what happens when you fail to report a hit and run in a horror movie. I really can't remember if the movie was good or not...I saw it when I was, what, 13? I can't trust my 13 year-old self's taste in much of anything.
^ I watched it a few weeks ago and came into say they deserved it, and oh the movie did suck.
I'd say most of the kids in the Friday The 13th series. They're all kind of dumb potheads.
Quote from: The DarkSider on October 30, 2010, 05:57:58 PM
I'd say most of the kids in the Friday The 13th series. They're all kind of dumb potheads.
I definately agree with you!!!
Quote from: The DarkSider on October 30, 2010, 05:57:58 PM
I'd say most of the kids in the Friday The 13th series. They're all kind of dumb potheads.
They deserve to die for being dumb and smoking weed?
I'd almost agree on House on Sorority Row though; for all Eric knew that gun had real bullets in it, those girls killed his mom on purpose, and they sure as hell weren't admitting anything in remorse. No Jason crap with killing everyone who even sets foot on your campground (except for the one Weird Al looking fellow). Alternate character interpretation says there was very little mentally wrong with Eric, and the whole film can be seen as more a Death Wish style revenge film than horror >.> .
Quote from: Doc Daneeka on November 01, 2010, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: The DarkSider on October 30, 2010, 05:57:58 PM
I'd say most of the kids in the Friday The 13th series. They're all kind of dumb potheads.
They deserve to die for being dumb and smoking weed?
The first couple of movies, you can't blame them. They don't know that someone's sneaking around killing people. Toward the end of the original series, well, you'd think the mass murders every summer would have convinced them to move years ago. Mind you, it could be that the smarter ones actually did move away, and we just get to see some of the people who couldn't put two and two together getting killed. So, yeah, at least some of them were just too dumb to live.
If we can talk about individuals that you wait so long throughout the movie to finally buy the farm (and when they do, it feels really good :bouncegiggle:); a few:
-The snotty girl Melissa in Friday The 13th Part VII: The New Blood who gets a hatchet in her face
-The jerk couple (John Travolta and Nancy Allen) who die in a fiery car crash for dumping pig's blood on Carrie
-Krug from Last House On The Left. Bad (not in a good way IMO) flick, but memorable villain. Murders 2 teenagers, stays at one of the girls' parent's house, and gets chainsawed.
-Clarence Boddicker from Robocop! Responsible for ventilating Robo's human form, and receives a blade in his neck for his efforts.
Everyone in the Rob Zombie Halloween flicks....
That guy has really annoyed me today.
Stay outta my way, Zombie.
Melissa from Friday the 13th part VII: The New Blood. Her b***hy attitudes, treacherous nature and snobby personality made her very deserving of getting the axe to the face.
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The first couple of movies, you can't blame them. They don't know that someone's sneaking around killing people. Toward the end of the original series, well, you'd think the mass murders every summer would have convinced them to move years ago. Mind you, it could be that the smarter ones actually did move away, and we just get to see some of the people who couldn't put two and two together getting killed. So, yeah, at least some of them were just too dumb to live.
You can't blame them for any of the movies, really. The first one was a crazy woman taking revenge decades after her son's drowning, nobody would have expected that.
Part 2 and 3 take place on consecutive days, so nobody from Part 3 would have heard about the killings that happened in part 2. And neither of them takes place at Camp Crystal Lake (at least not the original one).
Part 4 takes place the day after Part 3, and Jason supposedly died in part 3, so nobody in Part 4 would have had reason to suspect him to still be on the loose.
Part 5 is an unrelated string of murders by yet another grieving parent, years after Jason died (and was cremated). It doesn't take place anywhere near Crystal Lake.
Part 6 is back in Crystal Lake, but Jason's been dead for several years. NOBODY could have forseen him being resurrected by a lightning strike (especially after he was cremated ... uh, just never you mind about that).
I don't think anybody is at fault for not expecting a psychic girl to bring him back to life for Part 7. That doesn't excuse the authorities for not retrieving his corpse from the lake in however long it was since Part 6, though ...
Part 8 takes place far away from Crystal Lake (yet AGAIN after Jason's been dead for a while), so nobody would have been expecting that.
Part 9 ... let's just not talk about that.
The scientists keeping Jason for study in Jason X may have had it coming, but the kids on the spaceship hundreds of years in the future sure can't be blamed for not expecting him to come back to life.
And in Freddy vs. Jason he was once again well outside his normal stomping grounds and had been dead for a long time before the movie started.
Quote from: akiratubo on November 04, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
You can't blame them for any of the movies, really. The first one was a crazy woman taking revenge decades after her son's drowning, nobody would have expected that.
Part 2 and 3 take place on consecutive days, so nobody from Part 3 would have heard about the killings that happened in part 2. And neither of them takes place at Camp Crystal Lake (at least not the original one).
Yeah, can't blame the kids in part 2 either because the killings in part 1 were committed by Mrs. Voorhees, and she actually was dead after the end of that movie. At that point, Jason was just a scary story to tell around the campfire.
Quote from: akiratubo on November 04, 2010, 11:33:36 PM
Quote from: The Gravekeeper
The first couple of movies, you can't blame them. They don't know that someone's sneaking around killing people. Toward the end of the original series, well, you'd think the mass murders every summer would have convinced them to move years ago. Mind you, it could be that the smarter ones actually did move away, and we just get to see some of the people who couldn't put two and two together getting killed. So, yeah, at least some of them were just too dumb to live.
You can't blame them for any of the movies, really. The first one was a crazy woman taking revenge decades after her son's drowning, nobody would have expected that.
Part 2 and 3 take place on consecutive days, so nobody from Part 3 would have heard about the killings that happened in part 2. And neither of them takes place at Camp Crystal Lake (at least not the original one).
Part 4 takes place the day after Part 3, and Jason supposedly died in part 3, so nobody in Part 4 would have had reason to suspect him to still be on the loose.
Part 5 is an unrelated string of murders by yet another grieving parent, years after Jason died (and was cremated). It doesn't take place anywhere near Crystal Lake.
Part 6 is back in Crystal Lake, but Jason's been dead for several years. NOBODY could have forseen him being resurrected by a lightning strike (especially after he was cremated ... uh, just never you mind about that).
I don't think anybody is at fault for not expecting a psychic girl to bring him back to life for Part 7. That doesn't excuse the authorities for not retrieving his corpse from the lake in however long it was since Part 6, though ...
Part 8 takes place far away from Crystal Lake (yet AGAIN after Jason's been dead for a while), so nobody would have been expecting that.
Part 9 ... let's just not talk about that.
The scientists keeping Jason for study in Jason X may have had it coming, but the kids on the spaceship hundreds of years in the future sure can't be blamed for not expecting him to come back to life.
And in Freddy vs. Jason he was once again well outside his normal stomping grounds and had been dead for a long time before the movie started.
Again, Crystal Lake has a high rate of brutal mass murders. There are reports and whatnot of previous murders in the movies, so the locals are aware of them. I seriously doubt that a cabin at Crystal Lake is such a good investment as to be worth the risk (especially since you'd think all those murders affect the real estate market somewhat).
The DOuche bag Kids in friday the 13th movie that came out last year... they didnt realy do anything to jason, but they were all a***oles
Not a slasher movie, but equally deserving kids. The dumb bully jocks in Alien Vs. Predator Requiem, and the lead jock's skanky girlfriend who cheats on him. The jocks get torn apart by aliens and the skanky girlfriend is nailed to the wall by the Predator's throwing blade.
At first I thought that this was a weakness of the movie, as I felt no sympathy for the characters being knocked off one after the other, but after reading these comments, having unsympathetic characters was probably a deliberate decision for AvP Requiem.
Any drunk jock in pretty much any slasher.
I generally feel anyone dumb enough to not do the old "double tap" on the killer after he has been knocked down deserves what's coming to them. You hit a serial killer with a weapon of convienence (chair leg, ball bat, etc.) and he falls. In movies they always creep up on him slowly to see if he is dead. I always ask "What are you waiting for? no-one told you to stop." If you have knocked him out that's only going to last for a short while (even on a normal human in real life, boxers that go down for a count of 10 seconds are typically revived within a few minutes at most, or (very rarely) they are dead/comatose for weeks) so you better get to disarming him and tying his a** up. Cops do this, even if they shot a guy 5 times the first thing they do once they get over to him is to kick the gun away. On the other had, if your confident that you can convince a jury later on everything you did was in self-defense then you have no reason not to just keep beating on his bloody and lifeless corpse until your strength gives out. Later you can claim temporary mental insanity caused you to mutiliate his corpse.
I would put the kids in Jeepers creepers 1 at the opposite end of this spectrum. The girl keeps running over the bad guy with her car until she practically runs out of gas and then when his wings pop out hits him again on her way out for good measure. Good idea, too bad he was completely immortal and it didn't work. Kids did everything right and the boy in that one didn't deserve to die.
Quote from: WildHoosier09 on December 04, 2010, 10:29:23 PM
I would put the kids in Jeepers creepers 1 at the opposite end of this spectrum. The girl keeps running over the bad guy with her car until she practically runs out of gas and then when his wings pop out hits him again on her way out for good measure. Good idea, too bad he was completely immortal and it didn't work. Kids did everything right and the boy in that one didn't deserve to die.
I thought once they saw how unkillable he apparently was, they should have just parked the car with the tire square on his back. Don't think he'd have been able to stand up again at the very least.