A few years back,some mo mo claimed he had found a copy of the lost CHaney film- LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT (under it's alternate title the HYPNOTIST). Naught came of this, unfortunatly (I spelt that wrong,huh?). What lost films intrige you? For me,of course would be the lost Bela and horror films. Some-
.DER JANUSKOPF (1920)
Directed by FW Murnau (of NOSFERATU and JOAN OF ARC fame) and starring Conrad Veidt and Bela Lugosi, this was a early version of Dr.Jekyll and Mr.Hyde. The names were changed for copyright reasons (Jekyll/Hyde became Warren/O'Conner)-to no avail. The estate of Robert Lewis Stevenson filed suit and all prints were ordered destroyed.
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Veidt as Mr.O'Conner
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Veidt and Lugosi (far right)
.LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS (1951)
Made in England compilation of old Lugosi clips-possibly from the Apeman,someBowery Boy films....Sam Katzman is listed in the credits according to the British film register. Lugosi may have done an on screen prolouge and narration. But until the film is found-if ever-no one really knows.
A BLIND BARGAIN (1922)
Lon Chaney played the duel role of Dr.Lamb and his apeman creation. Later remakes include the WIZARD (1927) which is also lost-and DR.RENAULTS SECRET(1942) with George Zucco as the doctor,and J.Carrol Naish as the apeman.
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Chaney as the Apeman in A BLIND BARGAIN
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Lobby card with Chaney as Dr.Lamb
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Lobby card for the lost remake the WIZARD.
And of course...the elusive Holy Grail of lost films...
LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT (1927)
How MGM could have not made more than 1 print of this classic Chaney vehicle (burned in a fire in 1966) is a mystery to me. Also lost is Chaneys last silent film THUNDER(1929) He got some artificial snow from a blizzard scene lodged in his throat-which contributed to his death from throat cancer.
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Still from the lost Chaney film THUNDER (1929)
So...what lost films interest you?
Great topic, RC!
THE CAT CREEPS (1930) was a sound remake of THE CAT AND THE CANARY (1927) and was arguably the first Universal sound horror film, even before DRACULA. It was directed by Rupert Jullian, who directed Chaney in THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA.
There was also a Spanish version filmed at the same time, with the same director George Melford and the same leading lady Lupita Tovar as the Spanish version of DRACULA. The Spanish version was supposedly so good Universal ordered several scenes of the English version reshot to match Melford's film.
Both films are considered lost. :bluesad:
The only footage that exists is in the comedy short BOO!, which is on the FRANKENSTEIN (1931) DVD.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t214/morrisawilliams/catcreeps.jpg)
Several of Andy Milligan's 60's films such as THE NAKED WITCH are also considered lost, because the producer's son got tired of paying for storage and dumped the only prints in the East River!
there is someone somewhere who has a reel or two of "Nest of the Cuckoo bird" (1965) but nothing in terms of even bootleg prints exist.
QuoteInvestigating Florida moonshiners, a detective is searching the Everglades when he discovers a remote inn managed by a demented showgirl, a taxidermist who stuffs humans for display in her grotesque Chapel Of The Dead.
WOAH! Waitaminute! I am POSITIVE! POSITIVE I saw the CAT CREEPS on Double Creature Feature in 1971! When was it lost? Or did the local (South Bend Indiana-Ch.28) Have a rare print? It was doubled billed with MURDER IN THE BLUE ROOM.
1) The actual footage that was cut from King Kong that shows what happens to the men once they get twisted off the log. Either Forrest J. Ackerman, or someone he knew, claims to have seen this footage in a restored version shown on a big screen in The Phillippines, but no one has been able to track that print down. The latest "restored/uncut" version of Kong on DVD/Blu-Ray has Peter Jackson's production unit recreating the cut footage based on scribbled notes on Miriam Cooper's copy of the script, but that's about it.
2) The long-rumoured-to-exist footage of flying saucers actually landing near the fence at White Sands, New Mexico, and the pilots allegedly speaking with officers that went out to meet them, from 1952. The story pops up in about 3 different versions - In one, Eisenhower is said to have walked out and met with them - and is probably bogus, but it's one of those stories that won't go away, and periodically people in the UFO community are contacted by "government reps" who say they can get them a copy.
Quote from: RCMerchant on February 04, 2011, 11:31:42 AM
WOAH! Waitaminute! I am POSITIVE! POSITIVE I saw the CAT CREEPS on Double Creature Feature in 1971! When was it lost? Or did the local (South Bend Indiana-Ch.28) Have a rare print? It was doubled billed with MURDER IN THE BLUE ROOM.
There was a 40s Universal horror-comedy with the same title that was about a woman who may (or may not!) have been reicarnated as a cat. It used to play on our local station all the time. I wonder if that's what you saw?
Who knows? During the 80s one of our local station used to play SKULLDUGGERY, a goofy 1970 Burt Reynolds movie about a tribe of little missing link monkey people, about once a month - at the exact same time it was reported as 'lost' in a FilmFax article. I was tempted to write the mag to call channel 13 in Birmingham, Alabama for some good news. :teddyr:
It's possible that was the film I saw-it was so long ago-I dont recall to many details of it. Thanks! (Id like to think I saw the original-but I guess thats doubtful,eh?)
Quote from: peter johnson on February 04, 2011, 01:23:53 PM
1) The actual footage that was cut from King Kong that shows what happens to the men once they get twisted off the log. Either Forrest J. Ackerman, or someone he knew, claims to have seen this footage in a restored version shown on a big screen in The Phillippines, but no one has been able to track that print down. The latest "restored/uncut" version of Kong on DVD/Blu-Ray has Peter Jackson's production unit recreating the cut footage based on scribbled notes on Miriam Cooper's copy of the script, but that's about it.
2) The long-rumoured-to-exist footage of flying saucers actually landing near the fence at White Sands, New Mexico, and the pilots allegedly speaking with officers that went out to meet them, from 1952. The story pops up in about 3 different versions - In one, Eisenhower is said to have walked out and met with them - and is probably bogus, but it's one of those stories that won't go away, and periodically people in the UFO community are contacted by "government reps" who say they can get them a copy.
I've seen stills of the giant spider in an early FAMOUS MONSTERS....but it seems that the scene may be lost. But who knows?
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I think the scene of the giant spider in ONE MILLION YEARS BC (1966) may be Ray Harryhausens inside homage to Willis O'Brien's giant spider from Kong.
In an ad much like the one below,Lugosi's one time agent Don Marlowe claimed to have for sale the test footage of Lugosi as the Frankenstein Monster. Marlowe is said to have sold the film to Carl Lammele Jr. in 1970 for $3,500...is it true-or not? Where would have Marlowe obtained this footage? It seems doubtful that it came from Lugosi himself. Why would Marlowe advertise to sell a film he did not possess? And if he did-where is it now?
(This ad is an upload from an old HORROR MONSTERS magazine from the early 60's in my collection)
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The long lost Grizzly sequel Predator: The Concert (1987). Impressive cast in that one: George Clooney, Laura Dern, Louise Fletcher, Deborah Foreman, Charlie Sheen.
There used to be footage of the movie on youtube several years ago, not sure if its still up.
QuoteI've seen stills of the giant spider in an early FAMOUS MONSTERS....but it seems that the scene may be lost. But who knows?
O'Brien reused some of the spider pit critter models for that wild cave scene in THE BLACK SCORPION where the giggling spider/crab thingies chase the kid around.
Quote from: Raffine on February 04, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
QuoteI've seen stills of the giant spider in an early FAMOUS MONSTERS....but it seems that the scene may be lost. But who knows?
O'Brien reused some of the spider pit critter models for that wild cave scene in THE BLACK SCORPION where the giggling spider/crab thingies chase the kid around.
Speaking of King Kong-there was 1938 Japenese version made! It was reported to be destroyed during the Allied bombing of Japan.
A poster remains,though-
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A giant monster movie fromJapan that predated GODZILLA! :buggedout:
The Thing From Another World (1951) is one of my favorite old SciFi movies. I've only seen it in BxW, but I read somewhere that a color version of it was released on VHS a long time ago in addition to restoring some deleted scenes. Have any of you ever seen the colorized version of it? Or a so called deleted scene of the dead scientists hanging from the rafters in the greenhouse?
Quote from: Raffine on February 04, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
QuoteI've seen stills of the giant spider in an early FAMOUS MONSTERS....but it seems that the scene may be lost. But who knows?
O'Brien reused some of the spider pit critter models for that wild cave scene in THE BLACK SCORPION where the giggling spider/crab thingies chase the kid around.
Quote from: RCMerchant on February 04, 2011, 03:59:47 PM
Speaking of King Kong-there was 1938 Japenese version made! It was reported to be destroyed during the Allied bombing of Japan.
A poster remains,though-
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l79/RCMerchant/220px-Kkedo-2.jpg)
A giant monster movie fromJapan that predated GODZILLA! :buggedout:
And since this was 1938, it's possible that Toho may have done this movie too. The monster's face looks a LOT like the infamous Cyclops from the
Lost In Space season one episode, "There Were Giants On The Earth."
And, the body almost looks like the monster in Toho's 1958 movie,
Half Human which was their take on the Abominable Snowman.
On a side note, If I had made
Half Human I'd have used the design for Sanda, the Brown Gargantua. Looking at him, he was the more human-looking of the two creatures.
He sort of looks like Lupe the Wolfman from The Three Stogges' IDLE ROOMERS!
(http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/Idlerumors.jpg/250px-Idlerumors.jpg)
By the way, my current avatar is a closeup of one of Obie's spider puppets from the KONG spider pit scene.
I like it because it looks like Harpo Marx pulling his 'Gookie Face'.
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Original footage from TARZAN, cut for decades, was being shown on TCM broadcasts of the restored film... particularly the remarkable nude swim scene where a very young MARGARET O'SULLIVAN is jaw-droppingly apparent swimming full figure... I couldn't believe it had been part of a 1932 film :thumbup: :buggedout:
OSSESSIONE (1943) made in Fascist Italy, was despised and perceived as dangerous by Fascists who destroyed all extant prints of the film. We have the film today because of one copy negative LUCHINO VISCONTI hid under his bed. :wink:
Anybody look at the restored METROPOLIS TCM showed a few months ago...?
There's footage from FRANKENSTEIN that had long been cut and only recently restored for TV broadcast... (the full little girl drowning scene, I think.)
I just looked at the "restored" LOST HORIZON on TCM which is more than adequate if you love the film in the form we have it... Of course, I remember watching this decades ago, many times, in it's shortened version (or should I write "truncated"?) Must have been great when it was brandy knew... :tongueout:
Quote from: Silverlady on February 04, 2011, 08:47:58 PM
The Thing From Another World (1951) is one of my favorite old SciFi movies. I've only seen it in BxW, but I read somewhere that a color version of it was released on VHS a long time ago in addition to restoring some deleted scenes. Have any of you ever seen the colorized version of it? Or a so called deleted scene of the dead scientists hanging from the rafters in the greenhouse?
This is new to me! Im intrigued! I must research!!! :thumbup:
Quote from: Allhallowsday on February 04, 2011, 10:59:59 PM
Original footage from TARZAN, cut for decades, was being shown on TCM broadcasts of the restored film... particularly the remarkable nude swim scene where a very young MARGARET O'SULLIVAN is jaw-droppingly apparent swimming full figure... I couldn't believe it had been part of a 1932 film :thumbup: :buggedout:
OSSESSIONE (1943) made in Fascist Italy, was despised and perceived as dangerous by Fascists who destroyed all extant prints of the film. We have the film today because of one copy negative LUCHINO VISCONTI hid under his bed. :wink:
Anybody look at the restored METROPOLIS TCM showed a few months ago...?
There's footage from FRANKENSTEIN that had long been cut and only recently restored for TV broadcast... (the full little girl drowning scene, I think.)
I just looked at the "restored" LOST HORIZON on TCM which is more than adequate if you love the film in the form we have it... Of course, I remember watching this decades ago, many times, in it's shortened version (or should I write "truncated"?) Must have been great when it was brandy knew... :tongueout:
I have 2 vhs tapes of the restored FRANKENSTIEN-both have the drowning of Little Maria-but-oddly one of them deletes the line-"Now I know how it feels to be God." spoken by Colin Clive when Boris is twitching his finger. Odd-the Moron (oops-meant Moral) Majority thinks that is more offensive than a child drowning. Whatta want from a religion that demands blood sacrifice?
Quote from: Allhallowsday on February 04, 2011, 10:59:59 PM
Original footage from TARZAN, cut for decades, was being shown on TCM broadcasts of the restored film... particularly the remarkable nude swim scene where a very young MARGARET O'SULLIVAN is jaw-droppingly apparent swimming full figure... I couldn't believe it had been part of a 1932 film :thumbup: :buggedout:
OSSESSIONE (1943) made in Fascist Italy, was despised and perceived as dangerous by Fascists who destroyed all extant prints of the film. We have the film today because of one copy negative LUCHINO VISCONTI hid under his bed. :wink:
Anybody look at the restored METROPOLIS TCM showed a few months ago...?
There's footage from FRANKENSTEIN that had long been cut and only recently restored for TV broadcast... (the full little girl drowning scene, I think.)
I just looked at the "restored" LOST HORIZON on TCM which is more than adequate if you love the film in the form we have it... Of course, I remember watching this decades ago, many times, in it's shortened version (or should I write "truncated"?) Must have been great when it was brandy knew... :tongueout:
Quote from: RCMerchant on February 05, 2011, 05:12:59 AM
I have 2 vhs tapes of the restored FRANKENSTIEN-both have the drowning of Little Maria-but-oddly one of them deletes the line-"Now I know how it feels to be God." spoken by Colin Clive when Boris is twitching his finger. Odd-the Moron (oops-meant Moral) Majority thinks that is more offensive than a child drowning. Whatta want from a religion that demands blood sacrifice?
Well don't worry about the Moral Majority, because the God Haters on the other side of the Aisle took the phrase "One Nation Under God" out of one of the old TV airings of the Porky Pig episode where he sits on Uncle Sam's lap as he tells Porky the history of America...not that it isn't one nation Under God, mind you. :cheers:
Other things of this nature included Mario Bava's
Mask Of Satan being changed to
Black Sunday over the "S" word, and one of the stories altered in
Black Sabbath to make the two women friends instead of lovers.
It's just how they did it back then, I guess. Yet for all that, there was a
lot of politically incorrect stuff on the old
Little Rascals film shorts when they hit the air in the old days of TV, and some of the reruns I grew up with afterschool.
Anyway, as far as Little Maria drowning in
Frankenstein, I seem to remember Sara Karloff telling me at one convention, that Boris was also upset about the scene. He was concerned that the humanity of The Monster they strived for so hard, would be ruined if the scene was intact.
Madonna remake of "Swept Away" (hopefully)
Allhallowds -
No, I don't look at the "restored" versions of Metropolis, ever - as I think that more footage will always be forthcoming, as folk research thier basements, etc.
My mother, from the South of England, Hamble Village near SouthHampton, always would ask me questions about the Frankenstien scene: "Oh, he threw her in the water, because he thought she was so lovely that she should float like the flowers, no?"
She saw the original uncut, with the invocation to God and the drowning, numerous times. Surely this must exist in entirety somewhere?
peter johnson/denny I'm sairtainly a fillum skaollar somwhears crane
Quote from: peter johnson on February 07, 2011, 12:29:01 AM
Allhallowds -
No, I don't look at the "restored" versions of Metropolis, ever - as I think that more footage will always be forthcoming, as folk research thier basements, etc.
My mother, from the South of England, Hamble Village near SouthHampton, always would ask me questions about the Frankenstien scene: "Oh, he threw her in the water, because he thought she was so lovely that she should float like the flowers, no?"
She saw the original uncut, with the invocation to God and the drowning, numerous times. Surely this must exist in entirety somewhere?
peter johnson/denny I'm sairtainly a fillum skaollar somwhears crane
They drowning scene has been restored to most prints now....but for many years it was thought lost.
Great White (1981)
Will this ever be officially released in the U.S.? Probably not :bluesad:
what i'd love to see is the films that were shot and deemed bad. back in the early days of MGM my memory is not to good today on Louis B Mayer's parter who died in (1937) where they would shoot a film and screen it and if it was bad and they'd reshoot it sometimes, or it was screened and the boy wonder at MGM
could tell what was wrong with the picture and sometimes they only cut scenes out and other times they'd shoot a new picture. one film i can think of that was reshot was (1937)'s The Good Earth a film i have never seen to be honest, but that was a film that was reshot and i believed it bombed at the time. one wonders what happend to those prints? kinda like i'd love to see the original version of Smokey & The bandit part 3 with jacklie gleason donig both parts. now don't get me wrong the film may be crap and confusing but and the teaser of it is on you tube. but i'd love to see the original version and i wish it would be released on blu-ray along with the theatrical version of the film. either film my not be a 10 but it'd be fun to see that version i think.
a film that was found some years back though was (1926) with Joan Crawford a film that premired on TCM a few years back. i don't remember what i thought of it though. more films do get found such as that 1st half of that Laurel & Hardy film that only the 2nd half was found. so films do still get found but not enough of them sadly.
TUKO SA MADRE KAKAW: Lost Indian (I think?) monster movie featuring a man-lizard monster. Few people have seen it, and nobody who has seen it (that I can find) has made any reviews or simple descriptions of it. So there really isn't much to go on.
REPTOID MAN: Still can't figure out if this supposed lost film is actually real or not. Saw it on a strange monster movie magazine, a long while back. According to the article, only one copy of the film was stealthily taken from it's origin country, North Korea. Where it is now I haven't a clue. From what I have seen, it features a Titanosaurus-like monster (however it is only up to an anthropomorphic height).
SPACE MONSTER WANGMAGWI: The actual first South Korean monster film (beating Yongary by a few months). Technically, it isn't lost anymore (it was until somewhere this century), because a copy of the film is actually able to be seen at a South Korean film festival. Despite of the film's rediscovery, it is still going under a long recovery. The basic plot is that tin foil aliens summon the monster (the titular Wangmagwi) to attack Seoul. I don't know how they got rid of Wangmagwi and the aliens, however....
GOGOLA: A Bollywood monster movie! Sadly it's completely lost. In fact, it is so lost that I haven't obtained any info about it, besides that there is a silly Godzilla-like dinosaur monster (seen on the poster).
THE JUPITEREAN: It's arguable to say that it's "lost". Because ultra rare copies do exist, and it was simply an experimental film from Ray Harryhausen himself. The film featured the Varan-like monster fighting against dinosaurs (in a King Kong like style).
BALAOO THE DEMON BABOON: The title sounds amazing! It's a shame that it's lost! Well, kinda. Copies of different parts of this extremely old (1917 old) film are scattered around some country (I think it was Canada?). I believe the film is French, but I'm not sure. Basically, an ape is turned partially human and gets enslaved by a poacher who caught him.
I'm sure I could think of more, but I've been tired all day. Must be seasonal. Anyways, I'll post more once I think of more.
Boy-heres an older thread!
Not sure if this counts as "lost" because I can't find hide or hair info about the films-FIEND FOR FLESH or ROAD REBELS anywhere-nor the stars "Sexi Toni Taylor and Handsome Alan Davis" anywhere-their is a Toni Taylor in a very minor bit in the LEGEND OF BLOOD MOUNTAIN (1965)-but thats it!
EDIT-I think it may indeed be the LEGEND OF BLOOD MOUNTAIN (1965) and SWAMP COUNTRY (1966)-both which feature George Ellis-aka horror host Bestoink Dooley.
I found this ad for sale on ebay-
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/tumblr_nj3g4h02mP1spnykgo1_1280_zps9y8pya6b.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/tumblr_nj3g4h02mP1spnykgo1_1280_zps9y8pya6b.jpg.html)
I'm sure they're retitles-but for what?
Their even seems to be a radio ad-is this a hoax?
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLaQCM3ZfzY#)
RE-EDIT!-ROAD RACERS (1964) does exist-but beyond this poster-no mo info on this dam thing either! NONE of the names on the poster are in IMDB-or anywhere else on the net!-nor is the film itself-I found this poster for sale on the net-
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah192/mydoginky/road_rebels_zps7lahdgtm.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/mydoginky/media/road_rebels_zps7lahdgtm.jpg.html)
HELP!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7dMKwHYFUeU/Tt1F7dBNdzI/AAAAAAAANq4/VC6RAajFrb4/s1600/nest_cuckoo.jpg)
The Cramps have a song about this as some of you may know. I've always wanted to see it because of the name plus it looks awesome. there are no copies around from what I understand, though I remember hearing about someone having a few reels
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 19, 2015, 06:19:31 AM
RE-EDIT!-ROAD RACERS (1964) does exist-but beyond this poster-no mo info on this dam thing either! NONE of the names on the poster are in IMDB-or anywhere else on the net!-nor is the film itself-I found this poster for sale on the net-
HELP!
found the trailer on youtube.. guess you might have as well but just in case...
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GKeoX_3xo#)
(this is the film you mean right? just noticed you put Road Racers, not Rebels)
Quote from: zombie #1 on November 19, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
Quote from: RCMerchant on November 19, 2015, 06:19:31 AM
RE-EDIT!-ROAD RACERS (1964) does exist-but beyond this poster-no mo info on this dam thing either! NONE of the names on the poster are in IMDB-or anywhere else on the net!-nor is the film itself-I found this poster for sale on the net-
HELP!
found the trailer on youtube.. guess you might have as well but just in case...
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GKeoX_3xo#)
(this is the film you mean right? just noticed you put Road Racers, not Rebels)
Dammit! Thats IT!!!- :cheers: :drink: :hot: :drink: :cheers: :thumbup: :hot:
I have NOT seen it! THANX!!!!
But what is FIEND FOR FLESH?
Did anyone ever link this site: https://www.lost-films.eu/? (https://www.lost-films.eu/?) It claims to list 3500 lost films. I just came across it when researching the 1974 "Othello" rock opera CATCH MY SOUL (which was just recently scratched off the "lost" list).
Quote from: Rev. Powell on November 20, 2015, 11:26:45 AM
Did anyone ever link this site: https://www.lost-films.eu/? (https://www.lost-films.eu/?) It claims to list 3500 lost films. I just came across it when researching the 1974 "Othello" rock opera CATCH MY SOUL (which was just recently scratched off the "lost" list).
Indeed I have-fasinating stuff! :thumbup:
actaully no i haven't heard of that site before thanks for the link. so a film from (1974) was recently found? i've never heard of that one but good i'm glad it was found.