I know you guys don't like either of these movies and have made your feelings well known, calling out that these movies have destroyed, wrecked, or ruin a beloved franchise you hold dear to your heart. While I have no problem or beef with either of the films (although I recognize and understand your frustration), I am curious. Of these two films, which do you hate more? You can't copout and say you hate them both equally, not an option. Pick one and say why.
I used to hate Indiana Jones 4 with a passion being that it feels flat compared to the previous three, but as a standalone action/advantage film, I think it works.
Star Wars Episode I on the other hand isn't just an insult when tied together with the orignal trilogy, but its just utter s**t on so many levels, not even enjoyable as a standalone piece lile IJ4, or even a piece of B-trash entertainment.
So Star Wars Episode I for me
Gotta go with Indy 4. I knew Ep. 1 was lame, but I didn't think even a senile George Lucas could F up Indy, boy was I wrong.
Indy 4 didn't strike me as any worse than the other Indiana Jones movies. Episode 1 on the other hand was probably the worst Star Wars movie of the entire series, and I'm counting the Holiday special.
Indy 4, easily.
Gee...thats like choosing betwix the squirts or the s**ts.
Indy 4 isn't that bad at all
I would say that I'd rather watch episode I, even with Jar Jar, than rewatch Kingdom of the Crystal whatever.
I actually *remember* episode I. I barely remember Kingdom of the Crystal, er, whatever. I remember the nuked fridge.
Indiana Jones 4: Well let's see. A lot of people pointed out to the implausibility of surviving in a fridge flung by a nuclear explosion. But then again, the first three Indiana Jones movies had unbelievable moments as well, such as the Arc of the Covenant releasing ghosts to melt Nazis, surviving a fall from a plane in a life raft, and immortal knights. So the inclusion of aliens, or the fridge aren't as out of place as people make them out to be.
But there was no real parts of the film that where really memorable, in a good way. Plus Shia Leauff
Star Wars Episode 1 has been pulled apart enough that nothing new could really be said. However, I think the film wanted to be better then it was. And there's the fact that there where some cool parts. Well, really, only the final fight with Darth Maul.
In the end, I'll go with Star Wars
I want to slap it on Indy 4 if only for the blue screen Mutt swinging through the trees bit. There are just some things that cannot be reproduced with a computer and/or look better from a practical standpoint, and that scene just looked too cartoonish for me.
I didn't like Indy 4 at all, but I feel Episode one is vastly worse.
I liked Indy 4; so you can guess.
The ark being opened in the first "Raiders" was staged as a supernatural event. While the neuclear explosion in "Crystal Skulls" was grounded in actual everyday science. People most likely couldn't survive a neuclear explosion in a fridge. However wheather or not someone could survive the wrath of God, theological debate aside, has not been established in terms of science. I also think the UFO thing just bugged the crap out of everybody.
IMO definitely it is worse Episode 1.
I think IJ4 is not so bad; the really bad problem is that in the final part the movie goes nowhere for like 20 minutes (the chase in the forest comes to mind), finally it returns normal when they reach the alien base; another aspect I did not like is that Indiana is somewhat a secondary character, but it might be intended.
Episode 1 instead is a mess without almost any sense. Nice fights though.
I couldn't say I stayed with Indy 4 all the way through however I kinda figured that would happen seeing I had that attitude going in. Episode 1 I was completely pumped up about only to find out it was utter and total s**t. So I'm giving the nod to Episode 1 here.
Will make this short.
Indiana John IV. :thumbdown:
I'm in the minority here. I sincerely dislike George Lucas.
The only flicks with his involvement I like are: Howard the Duck, and Episode 1: The Phantom Menace.
Quote from: HappyGilmore on October 24, 2011, 05:48:27 PM
The only flicks with his involvement I like are: Howard the Duck...
You like Howard the Duck?! Get out of town! I never knew! :wink:
For me Episode 1 was largely a colossal bore but then I don't care for politics and car racing in general. And I actually kind of liked Indy 4 on some levels even though it's not up to level of the previous films...
Quote from: RCMerchant on October 23, 2011, 04:10:21 AM
Gee...thats like choosing betwix the squirts or the s**ts.
:buggedout: :buggedout: + :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle: :bouncegiggle:
Thanks, RC :cheers:
I haven't seen
Star Wars Episode 1 but
Indy 4 wasn't bad IMO.
Shia LePoof spoiled it a bit for me though.
Indy 4 isn't so bad. Not the best of the series, but then I don't consider any of the sequels as good as the original Raiders of the Lost Ark. The whole refrigerator thing keeps getting beaten to death, but it was a fun scene, however implausible. Anyway, Indy is a tribute to the classic serials, and a few unbelievable stunts are not out of place.
The nuclear test does set the stage pretty well. Things have changed since the last movie. It's the 50s, and with that come the B-movie trappings of Commies, nukes and flying saucers. And it's the first movie in which I actually thought Cate Blanchett was attractive. It drags in spots, and there's nothing really outstanding in it, but I can watch it.
The Phantom Menace, on the other hand, is tough going. When it's not annoying, chances are it's boring, and it is full of action scenes that are too long and often serve little purpose other than to show off special effects and sell toys. And while Shia LaBeouf is kind of unremarkable, Jar Jar Binks is actively irritating. Anakin was an annoying little twerp, Darth Maul was all sizzle and no steak, Qui-Gon was kind of a prick at times, and on it goes. Not really a good character in the entire movie.
To me, watching Indy 4 in the theater felt like someone slit my skin and poured Clorox in the wound. Phantom Menace was pretty poor but I thought Attack Of The Clones was much worse.
Quote from: retrorussell on October 26, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
Phantom Menace was pretty poor but I thought Attack Of The Clones was much worse.
At first, I was considering using Episode II instead of Ep. I, but I sticked with the first since it started all the hatred and generally most people talk about that as the biggest f**k up for the series.
Quote from: InformationGeek on October 26, 2011, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: retrorussell on October 26, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
Phantom Menace was pretty poor but I thought Attack Of The Clones was much worse.
At first, I was considering using Episode II instead of Ep. I, but I sticked with the first since it started all the hatred and generally most people talk about that as the biggest f**k up for the series.
I can understand. Though I hated the Ewoks more than Jar Jar, and he's what brought a good deal of the ire directed at the first film by many SW fans.
I did like episode III quite a bit, even with Frankenvader at the end clomping out of his bonds.
Jar Jar isn't that bad a character.
Yeah, "Clones" sucked hard! That kid in "Menace" is annoying, but Hayden Christiansen is ten times more annoying. Worst casting decision in the history of film. Darth Vader should not be a whiny wuss even as a teen.
Come to think of it, Attack of the Clones was just totally forgettable.
Quote from: AndyC on October 27, 2011, 07:58:17 AM
Come to think of it, Attack of the Clones was just totally forgettable.
To me, it suffers from that and having one of half of it uninteresting. The romance angle, while I suppose is important, is completely dull and uninteresting to me in the slightest. I normally just skip ahead to Obi-Wan's scenes and the battle on Gensois or something like that.
Quote from: InformationGeek on October 28, 2011, 09:36:18 AM
Quote from: AndyC on October 27, 2011, 07:58:17 AM
Come to think of it, Attack of the Clones was just totally forgettable.
To me, it suffers from that and having one of half of it uninteresting. The romance angle, while I suppose is important, is completely dull and uninteresting to me in the slightest. I normally just skip ahead to Obi-Wan's scenes and the battle on Gensois or something like that.
And it already had enough strikes against it as a middle chapter. The first sets everything in motion, the third wraps it up, but the second is largely a bridge, in which little of significance is started or finished.
Lucas overcame that with Empire Strikes Back, but not so much with Clones. He's just gotten too comfortable. When Empire was made, he had one movie to follow - an unprecedented success, the highest grossing movie ever made at that point. He had the challenge of making something bigger and better than the biggest and best. If he hoped to complete his trilogy, he'd have to repeat the financial success of the first. Empire Strikes Back had to be able to stand on its own because there was no established brand for it to ride on, no lifelong fans, no guarantee that it would be another smash. Star Wars still seemed like lightning in a bottle at that time.
Empire bridges Star Wars and Return of the Jedi while being a kick-ass movie in its own right. Clones has its moments, but really just fills in the middle of the story.
That was one of my biggest complaints about the prequels. The original trilogy was made a movie at a time. The prequel trilogy was a sure thing, and planned out over three movies. As a result I didn't think the prequels delivered much of anything until the third movie. Even then it all seemed crammed in and rushed and not really satisfying. Let's spend a whole movie finding Anakin and establishing a conspiracy. Let's spend another movie developing Anakin and Padme, and starting a war that we mostly won't see. By the time it comes to the third, there are a ton of loose ends, and it still takes a while before the movie starts tying them up. Then it just seems to do it in a hurry. Gotta put everything where it needs to be, bing bang boom.
Episode 1.
I have not seen Indy 4... yet, I'm not sure why... Oh, maybe it's because I got kicked in the balls 3 times already (star wars 1,2&3) and I dont feel like I need another kick in the balls!
Star Wars is the major fail since somebody had almost 20 freaking years to write a decent script... And we get is Baby Vader making C3-PO... :thumbdown:
I'm sick of repeating this.
These movies do not exist.
Now go to sleep, and forget about this nonsense.
Quote from: Cthulhu on November 02, 2011, 08:09:18 PM
I'm sick of repeating this.
These movies do not exist.
Now go to sleep, and forget about this nonsense.
You mean to say they were just a bad nightmare everyone in the world had expect you....
I would have to say I disliked Episode IV quite a bit. And I actually rather enjoyed the last Indiana Jones film,especially looking at it from a "last hoorah" point of view. I say leave the character be now....let him and Marion ride off into the sunset.
No Question that Indiana Jones was better even wiith the close encouters feel to it imo. Unlike Episode IV I did not go into watching Indiana Jones with high expectations due to the age of Mr. Ford. However, Episode IV was just unecessasary as a film. I mean really, a 20 min pod race, and Darth Maul had 2 lines in the entire movie. Complete waste of a character. Now I am rambling. So I will emphatically say that Star Wars Episode 1V, The Phantom Story Line was worse.