Talk about your fan-boy overload!!
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/rotten-tomatoes-shuts-down-commenting-for-the-dark-knight-rises-after-death-threats/
Welcome to the "everyone's opinion is just as valid as everyone else's" generation. Everyone thinks that what they have to say is important, and it SHOULD be said. The 'Net brings out the worst of this sort.
I've never understood why people become so invested in other people liking the same stuff (movies, books, food, roller coasters, etc). "Academic" debate on the merits of a work of art is one thing; calling someone out for different taste or just not liking something that is by its very nature subjective suggests very real psychopathology to me.
I've recently become rather immersed in several photography forums, and the rancor there over "good" vs "bad" is just stunning. Absolutely stunning. Some days, I wonder if is a job requirement of being a professional shooter to rag on other people's work...beyond, "it just does not work for me" and into "It's bad."
It's wild, too, how much of this stuff follows fads and gimmicks. I guess that's true in any art form...flavor of the month becomes the yard stick. I guess my problem is that I view "art" as somehow more organic, intuitive and internal and not so much "produced."
That's the disconnect, I think. If it's "produced," it becomes about "being liked" or "being accepted." After all, the effort put into "production" implies a certain degree of seeking acceptance. Fanatics seem to think movies are made for them; movies are business properties and (hopefully) about being sum total of artistic vision of a whole bunch of people practicing their craft.
See...I can post my unwanted opinions, too. :bouncegiggle: :cheers:
Everyone has their opinions on the Nolan films, but really, death threats? On a film site? are these people really that stupid? it's the critics opinions, y'know, people who has years of training and experience doing their job to benefit the people who wants to go see it. Stupid die hard fans ruins can just about every thing in the movie business about comic book heroes.
Not surprised, especially after seeing the flak one of the sites I review for took after giving Uncharted 3 an unfavorable score. Whatever happened to respectful disagreement? :lookingup:
Really! It's not as if they were hating on THE LORD OF THE RINGS or something like that!
So, it's not good enough that most critics are saying it's good. Everyone must love it.
What really blows me away is that the opinions of people who have seen the movie are being attacked by people who have not.
And I read the Marshall Fine review, just to see what he said. He didn't pan it or anything. It just disappointed him. He was generally kind to Nolan and the other two movies, and fairly specific in his criticisms, which seemed perfectly reasonable to me. He was clear about what he wanted from the movie, and why it didn't deliver. And he even mentioned what he did like about it.
This is a very disturbing phenomenon, whether the discussion is about entertainment, politics or whatever. On the one hand, you have somebody who knows what he's talking about, clearly stating an opinion and supporting it. On the other hand, you have people with their minds made up in spite of relative ignorance, rejecting all opposing opinions out of hand, and countering them with insults, name calling, hostility, etc. And they think they're winning the argument that way. That they even think there is one entirely correct opinion, especially in matters of entertainment, is crazy in itself.
Personally, I think a lot of sites are better with the comments turned off. I don't need to see the knee-jerk reactions of all the total strangers who have seen it before me. If I want someone else's opinion, I'll ask someone who's opinion matters to me.
Somehow, I'm not too surprised. I've practically been ran out of other forums for saying that Dark Knight wasn't that great of a movie and that i didn't like Ledger's take on Joker and I'm just a random joe on the 'net.
This is nothing new really. Just have a wander over to youtube, click on any video, scroll down to the comments and see that everyone is at war with one another spewing hateful bile all over the internet. I just avoid it. It's the internet, it's strangers opinions - who cares? Why should you care? If someone doesn't like something that I do, then that's the way it is. I'm not going to get wound up over it for days on end or threaten them. Threatening someone in another country using a computer is totally childish and pathetic. The kind of people who post such things are idiots who have gorged mightily on "hype" and have waaay too much time on their hands.
Quote from: Chainsaw midget on July 19, 2012, 06:33:41 PM
Somehow, I'm not too surprised. I've practically been ran out of other forums for saying that Dark Knight wasn't that great of a movie and that i didn't like Ledger's take on Joker and I'm just a random joe on the 'net.
And I wouldn't even consider your opinion to be all that uncommon. I don't really care for either of the first two Nolan Batman movies, and while I liked some things about Ledger's Joker, I didn't like his take on the character overall. I can think of lots of people who would say the same thing.
That's one of the great ironies of the Internet. You get exposed to a huge variety of information and opinions, but it's also easier to surround yourself with like-minded people who maintain the same narrow viewpoint. And when you inevitably encounter people who say otherwise, they're obviously wrong.
I sometimes think insecurity plays a part in it. I think deep down some of these people feel like they are being rejected because something they really love is being rejected. It's pretty childish, actually.
Quote from: JoeTheDestroyer on July 19, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
I sometimes think insecurity plays a part in it. I think deep down some of these people feel like they are being rejected because something they really love is being rejected. It's pretty childish, actually.
Good point.
I suppose all of us on here are accustomed to having cinematic tastes outside the mainstream. It feels great to find people who like the same kind of movies, or to share a cheesy old B-flick with someone and see them enjoy it, but it's no surprise when people don't appreciate it the way we do. I see the same thing with Bronies, where criticism and ridicule are common enough that responding to it has almost become part of the fun. Having tastes outside the mainstream, you learn that if you are secure in what you like, it doesn't matter if someone else doesn't like it.
On the other hand, if you generally like popular things, you probably don't deal with that situation enough to get comfortable with it. And if you're the sort who cares what others think, and maybe equates popularity with merit, I can see how you might take it personally if someone criticizes something you like. If you let others tell you what is good, a dissenting voice might seem to be calling your tastes into question.
Buncha f**kin' morons.
Like the old saying goes.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQeZlLURRdU
Its only a f**king movie.
Dam.
After hearing about the psycho Batman movie murder-this s**t aint funny no more.
People need to get a grip and accept that there will always be folks who don't like what others do. Geez! Like RC said,it's just a movie! I am one of those few who doesn't like what they have done with Batman but hey! Lots of others do so live and let live. Death threats over a film? Honestly! :lookingup:
98% of posts are nothing more than people talking from their ass. anybody whos read one of my posts knows this. people take posts too seriously. who cares? really, who gives a crap if that guy didnt like batman? thats one thing that has always bothered me: concerning oneself with the likes and dislikes of others. people are quick to attack now especially in threads. youtube is an example, just read any post, there almost all retarded and negative. thats the reason badmovies is the only place i post now, everybody has strong opinions here but nobody attacks anyboby else. even in religous threads, there are people here from both ends of the spectrum. thats why i like you people. you are all nice and fragrant.
Quote from: kakihara on July 20, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
you are all nice and fragrant.
Im very fragant,sweetie.
I smell like-I dunno-
Some day this forum will end. :bluesad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXVGQnJm0w
Quote from: kakihara on July 20, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
98% of posts are nothing more than people talking from their ass. anybody whos read one of my posts knows this. people take posts too seriously. who cares? really, who gives a crap if that guy didnt like batman? thats one thing that has always bothered me: concerning oneself with the likes and dislikes of others. people are quick to attack now especially in threads. youtube is an example, just read any post, there almost all retarded and negative. thats the reason badmovies is the only place i post now, everybody has strong opinions here but nobody attacks anyboby else. even in religous threads, there are people here from both ends of the spectrum. thats why i like you people. you are all nice and fragrant.
Agreed.I've been on a number of forums that were full of folks who took everything way too seriously. I used to be on one place that had a political board and many wouldn't come to it because they were "afraid of the way we argued". We were all good friends and had a great time talking about our disagreements but also lots of other topics. I like it here because we can agree to disagree and move on to the important stuff.....like a good bad movie. :wink:
Quote from: kakihara on July 20, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
98% of posts are nothing more than people talking from their ass.
Quite true. People no longer have to think about what they put out there for others to read. A mere 20 years ago, if you read something you didn't like, you'd have to feel strongly enough about it to write a letter and mail it, then wait for it to be published. Gave people a chance to cool off, pick their battles, and maybe put a little more thought into what they say if they do care enough to write.
Now, you see something and you can throw your first gut reaction out there immediately. Plus, since it's mostly read by strangers, and you can conceal your identity anyway, there just isn't the sense of responsibility for your words. Printed letters to the editor require a return address and usually a phone number, and an editor will call to confirm that you sent it and wish it to be published, and they will take a serious look at anything that might be incorrect or potentially libelous. On the internet, you just anonymously spout whatever springs to mind and move on to the next page.